The Old Testament: Obsolete and Embarrassing or still valid today?

The Church of God is the Great Congregation of 3-4 million Hebrews in the desert God delivered from Egyptian bondage. The Church Christ said He promised to build began on the day of the Feast of Harvest (ca. 32 AD), when the Holy Spirit of Promise (promised only to Israel) arrived and baptized three thousand Jews into Christ's body which is the kingdom of God.
You're looking at Scripture with a Gentile mindset and with Gentile theology which isn't Christianity because first of all Gentiles unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots soon after the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple by the Romans (ca. 70 AD), and began to steal from the Hebrews everything God gave them and promised them yet future.

The Word of God belongs to the seed of Abraham. From its first prophet (Adam) to the last prophet (John the Baptist) the Hebrew Scripture is the Word of God.
Although Gentiles gathered scrolls and compiled a New Testament in the fourth century, they also set rules for what was the authentic Word of God but the authority to do so is lacking from God.

Pure Gentile heresy.
I would like to point out that when I use the word “church” I am using it the way it's used in the Bible, and I am not referring to any religion, denomination, or building. The word “church” comes from the Greek word “ecclesia” and it means assembly, or a congregation of called out ones, such as Israel who was an “ecclesia” or an assembly of people called out from among the rest of the world. The word is also used of a smaller company of Israelites, called out from among an assembly of Israel, which was the tribal council of Simeen and Levi. Later in the same time period we find it used for another kind of an assembly, referring to those who were called-out from all of Israel as worshippers assembling themselves together before the Temple. In the time period covered by the gospels, the called out ones are “the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

The word “church” in the epistles acquires a meaning it never had before, which started when the disciples were separated away from the unbelief of Israel, and that caused the word “ecclesia” to acquire a more restricted meaning because it was then used for “The Church of God.” The Church of God is an assembly composed of not only the Jews, but also anyone able to be born into the family of God and become a member of the body of Christ. This special usage of the word “ecclesia” deals with an assembling of people, who were not known until they were first revealed to the apostle Paul as part of the secret that was “hid in God” and was “kept secret since the world began.”
 

THE OLD TESTAMENT: OBSOLETE AND EMBARRASSING OR STILL VALID TODAY?​


If the new covenant brought in by Jesus replaced the old covenant made at Sinai, why do we need to read the Old Testament at all? Hebrews 8:13 tells us,
“By calling this covenant ‘new,' he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.”
Many Christians think that since Yeshua came and fulfilled all the Law in himself, there is no need any longer for the cumbersome and problematic Old Testament. I mean – all that stuff about not eating shellfish, or mixing fibres in your clothes and stoning people – we’ve got over all that now, right? In today's society, so much of what’s written in the Old Testament seems so brutal and irrelevant – what are we supposed to make of it? Wouldn’t it be better if this outdated part of the Bible would just disappear?

DON'T GIVE UP ON THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES JUST YET!​

Although this may be a view held by many believers today, it would be a terrible mistake to ignore the Old Testament, better called the Hebrew Scriptures, since they are neither passé nor redundant. Here’s why.
“All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.” (2 Tim 3:16-17)

Secondly, Jesus said, “the scripture cannot be broken” in John 10:35, and warned us: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them”, in Matthew 5:17. If Jesus thinks the Hebrew Scriptures are important, then maybe, you know, they are.
Thirdly, have you read the New Testament? It’s just as problematic as the Old Testament!
Here’s something Barack Obama said in his keynote speech at the Call to Renewal conference in June 2006:
“Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus which suggests that slavery is OK, and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount, a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own defense department would survive its application! So before we get carried away, let’s read our Bibles now. Folks haven’t been reading their Bibles!”
Although he is mocking God's word here, Obama has a point when he says “folks haven’t been reading their Bibles”, because if they did, they would find plenty of eye-watering wrath, bewilderment and awkward political incorrectness in the New Testament, and just as much outrageous grace, mercy and radical love in the Old as there is in the New. Unlike Obama, however, I believe that the Old and the New are both powerfully relevant today. There may be parts that are harder to understand than others, but when we dig deeper into those matters that trouble us, we often find that there are incredible riches of God’s character and truth to be found below the surface.

Have you ever considered why God put such challenging books as Leviticus and Deuteronomy at the beginning of his word? The Koran starts with easy, short chapters and becomes increasingly lengthy, challenging and complex, but the Bible seems to be largely the other way around. Why? Perhaps it’s a challenge to the reader – a test. There are those who will take a quick look, scrunch up their noses and turn away, but others will give it more of a chance, showing hope and trust that there is meaning and goodness in these bewildering books even if it is not immediately visible. This is what God is looking for. We see this in the way God presents himself generally – he could easily bedazzle us with his brilliance and glory, making it undeniable and inescapable that he is indeed Lord. But he doesn’t. Why? He respects our free will and choice. He loves us and wants us to love him too, voluntarily, not out of compulsion, but out of our own desire. God wants us to seek him and his words diligently, trusting all the while that he is just, wise and loving… that there are good answers to the things we don’t understand, even if it takes time to find them.
He wants us to consider that he is WORTH IT – worth the pursuit, worth the struggle and worth fighting for. Like the sun that is the perfect distance away from the earth so that we don’t freeze or burn, God cloaks himself in just enough mystery that we are neither compelled to believe him, nor is it impossible to find him. And boy, what a pearl of great price is waiting to be found by those who are willing to seek.

UNDERSTAND THE COVENANTS – THERE ARE NOT TWO BUT FIVE​

Essential in navigating the Bible is to understand the covenants in it. There are not only two covenants, but five (or even more, depending on how you count them). There was the conditional covenant given to Moses on Mount Sinai which the death and resurrection of Yeshua completed, but what about the others?

This helps us to understand why the New Covenant that Jesus introduced does not cancel the whole Old Testament, but only relates to the temporary covenant with Moses, which was very much conditional. Moses himself prophesied that it was just a matter of time before it would all be shot to dust. The people of Israel failed spectacularly, were exiled and punished, and the Mosaic law with its system of sacrifices was replaced by the ultimate, permanent sacrifice of the Messiah, once and for all. A “new and better way” to God was carved out for us in the Messiah's blood. The instructions to live in a God-honouring way were replaced by an even higher standard, with the law written in our hearts and the Holy Spirit given to help us live in the radical way of the Messiah.
However, God's promise to Noah never to flood the earth again still stands, his promises made in his covenant to Abraham were never annulled, and neither was his covenant relating to David's throne. Not only that, but the words of the Mosaic Law also remain valuable to us in helping us appreciate God's nature, his heart, and he has also woven many amazing clues about what was to come throughout the entire Torah. We have written a book on the subject called Reading Moses, Seeing Jesus. The more you study, the more you find! It's a bottomless well of fascination.
God has not reneged on his promises and gifts to Israel (since as Paul says in Romans 11, they are irrevocable) and Yeshua will come and reign on the throne of David. Where is that? Jerusalem! Just as it has been amazing to watch God fulfilling his promises to regather Israel from the nations and reestablish them in the land, so we can look forward to all the other promises that God has made to the nation of Israel coming to pass – they are our bona fide guarantee that God keeps his promises.

“THE LAW IS GOOD, IF YOU USE IT PROPERLY” 1 TIM 1:8​

It is a lifetime’s journey to learn how to understand the Bible and use it properly, but here are a couple of thoughts.

UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT

There are arguments about whether or not to take the Bible literally, but it’s better to try and take it literarily – that is, understand what kind of literature it is, and what God is saying through it. Each word is there on purpose, but what is God’s purpose? When Jesus tells parables, he does not need us to believe that there really was a prodigal son, but he wants us to understand the heart of the father in the story he made up to explain his point. In the same way, the Bible is full of all different kinds of stories, poetry, letters, parables, songs, and the book of Job is written as a play. Of course, there is also an enormous amount of history in there that really happened. We need to see first and foremost, who these words are written to, in what context, and what kind of literature it is. When we do this, we have to face an uncomfortable fact: most of the Bible was written to and about the people of Israel. Today we have the privilege of looking over their shoulder and seeing what God said to them, and learn about what God is like through reading it, but we must accept the context of the words we are reading.

UNDERSTANDING ISRAEL IS KEY

The Bible is not just a collection of good ideas for living and inspirational thoughts – it is real history and geography, past, present and future. Our Messiah was real. His crazy Jewish family was real. He really lived, he really died, he really rose again, and he is coming back again to a real place in real time! If we are to cut out Israel and the Jewish people from the Bible, we would have very little left – God has chosen to hang his story of redemption for all peoples on the story of his chosen people, Israel. Developing an appreciation of God's great story and how very real it is helps us to understand better how to apply his word in our days and how to read prophetic scriptures.

The Bible is a supernatural book containing prophecy and wisdom far greater than anything natural man could concoct – prophecies about the Messiah, Israel and the Middle East, and about world events.
We have the advantage of looking back and comparing the prophecies and Yeshua's life and seeing that the Bible is stunningly accurate in its predictions, and now also the privilege of seeing God's word coming to pass for Israel, but there is much more to come.
The Bible is as relevant today as it ever was – this is the time not to neglect the Scriptures, but to really get to grips with them, so that we can understand the author better, know where he says we are going, and be able to stand strong till the end in his word.

SHALOM
There are only TWO Covenants pertaining to the Gospel and Salvation.

The Eternal Covenant of the Word was established by Elohim BEFORE the Mosaic Covenant.

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in
the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. - Revelation 13:8

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the Gospel to Abraham
beforehand, saying,In you all the nations shall be blessed.”
So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Avraham. -
Galatians 3:8

The covenant given to Moshe for the Jewish people was TEMPORARY and never intended by Elohim to be permanent.

“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” -Jeremiah 31:31

And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the New covenant in My
Blood, which is shed for you. - Luke 22:19-20


Purpose of the old/Mosaic covenant = Galatians 3:21-25

Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Yeshua HaMashiach might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law,
kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to HaMashiach, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Brother @koberstein,

Elohim's Book is a Children's Book written for His Children = Jew & Gentile, Echad in HaMashiach

Shalom
 
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Like I said before, if you think the Tanakh/Old Testament is obsolete remove it from your Bible, don't be a hypocrite about it.
The covenant under Moshe is only obsolete for those who have been chosen and called by Elohim out of darkness and into the 7th Day of REST/LIGHT = Yeshua HaMashiach.


The geneaological seed of Avraham who refuse the B'rit ChaDasha in an attempt to remain under the old covenant will be judged by Moshe. As such they vacate the Promise of ABBA Elohim with no hope for Eternal Life.

And the Goyim who give lip service to Elohim and refuse the Brit Chadasha also vacate their entrance into Eternal Life.


"tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;
but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
For there is no partiality with God." Romans 2:9-10

Shalom
 
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aw-shucks!
don't get me wrong I like a good debate even heated ones as long as they are not done with personal attacks. now a days I prefer the more civil ones. On the old Carm days we had some real battles and things got really personal on a regular basis with people getting frequent vacations from the moderators. nowadays most forums just ban the person without warning and a chance to reform or change their behavior.
 
don't get me wrong I like a good debate even heated ones as long as they are not done with personal attacks. now a days I prefer the more civil ones. On the old Carm days we had some real battles and things got really personal on a regular basis with people getting frequent vacations from the moderators. nowadays most forums just ban the person without warning and a chance to reform or change their behavior.
BAM is my 3rd forum.
My first forum was completely new to me as i never was on a forum = ever!!!
i made mistakes and allowed my knowledge base mixed with my hockey player upbringing and zeal for TRUTH to overwhelm His Commandment of LOVE. So i matured and moved on.

With that said, it was a growing experience in this 'forum culture', to which i am grateful to the LORD for experiencing.
 
BAM is my 3rd forum.
My first forum was completely new to me as i never was on a forum = ever!!!
i made mistakes and allowed my knowledge base mixed with my hockey player upbringing and zeal for TRUTH to overwhelm His Commandment of LOVE. So i matured and moved on.

With that said, it was a growing experience in this 'forum culture', to which i am grateful to the LORD for experiencing.
Thanks for sharing. Are you still a hockey fan ?
 

THE OLD TESTAMENT: OBSOLETE AND EMBARRASSING OR STILL VALID TODAY?​


If the new covenant brought in by Jesus replaced the old covenant made at Sinai, why do we need to read the Old Testament at all? Hebrews 8:13 tells us,
“By calling this covenant ‘new,' he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.”
Many Christians think that since Yeshua came and fulfilled all the Law in himself, there is no need any longer for the cumbersome and problematic Old Testament. I mean – all that stuff about not eating shellfish, or mixing fibres in your clothes and stoning people – we’ve got over all that now, right? In today's society, so much of what’s written in the Old Testament seems so brutal and irrelevant – what are we supposed to make of it? Wouldn’t it be better if this outdated part of the Bible would just disappear?

DON'T GIVE UP ON THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES JUST YET!​

Although this may be a view held by many believers today, it would be a terrible mistake to ignore the Old Testament, better called the Hebrew Scriptures, since they are neither passé nor redundant. Here’s why.
“All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.” (2 Tim 3:16-17)

Secondly, Jesus said, “the scripture cannot be broken” in John 10:35, and warned us: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them”, in Matthew 5:17. If Jesus thinks the Hebrew Scriptures are important, then maybe, you know, they are.
Thirdly, have you read the New Testament? It’s just as problematic as the Old Testament!
Here’s something Barack Obama said in his keynote speech at the Call to Renewal conference in June 2006:
“Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus which suggests that slavery is OK, and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount, a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own defense department would survive its application! So before we get carried away, let’s read our Bibles now. Folks haven’t been reading their Bibles!”
Although he is mocking God's word here, Obama has a point when he says “folks haven’t been reading their Bibles”, because if they did, they would find plenty of eye-watering wrath, bewilderment and awkward political incorrectness in the New Testament, and just as much outrageous grace, mercy and radical love in the Old as there is in the New. Unlike Obama, however, I believe that the Old and the New are both powerfully relevant today. There may be parts that are harder to understand than others, but when we dig deeper into those matters that trouble us, we often find that there are incredible riches of God’s character and truth to be found below the surface.

Have you ever considered why God put such challenging books as Leviticus and Deuteronomy at the beginning of his word? The Koran starts with easy, short chapters and becomes increasingly lengthy, challenging and complex, but the Bible seems to be largely the other way around. Why? Perhaps it’s a challenge to the reader – a test. There are those who will take a quick look, scrunch up their noses and turn away, but others will give it more of a chance, showing hope and trust that there is meaning and goodness in these bewildering books even if it is not immediately visible. This is what God is looking for. We see this in the way God presents himself generally – he could easily bedazzle us with his brilliance and glory, making it undeniable and inescapable that he is indeed Lord. But he doesn’t. Why? He respects our free will and choice. He loves us and wants us to love him too, voluntarily, not out of compulsion, but out of our own desire. God wants us to seek him and his words diligently, trusting all the while that he is just, wise and loving… that there are good answers to the things we don’t understand, even if it takes time to find them.
He wants us to consider that he is WORTH IT – worth the pursuit, worth the struggle and worth fighting for. Like the sun that is the perfect distance away from the earth so that we don’t freeze or burn, God cloaks himself in just enough mystery that we are neither compelled to believe him, nor is it impossible to find him. And boy, what a pearl of great price is waiting to be found by those who are willing to seek.

UNDERSTAND THE COVENANTS – THERE ARE NOT TWO BUT FIVE​

Essential in navigating the Bible is to understand the covenants in it. There are not only two covenants, but five (or even more, depending on how you count them). There was the conditional covenant given to Moses on Mount Sinai which the death and resurrection of Yeshua completed, but what about the others?

This helps us to understand why the New Covenant that Jesus introduced does not cancel the whole Old Testament, but only relates to the temporary covenant with Moses, which was very much conditional. Moses himself prophesied that it was just a matter of time before it would all be shot to dust. The people of Israel failed spectacularly, were exiled and punished, and the Mosaic law with its system of sacrifices was replaced by the ultimate, permanent sacrifice of the Messiah, once and for all. A “new and better way” to God was carved out for us in the Messiah's blood. The instructions to live in a God-honouring way were replaced by an even higher standard, with the law written in our hearts and the Holy Spirit given to help us live in the radical way of the Messiah.
However, God's promise to Noah never to flood the earth again still stands, his promises made in his covenant to Abraham were never annulled, and neither was his covenant relating to David's throne. Not only that, but the words of the Mosaic Law also remain valuable to us in helping us appreciate God's nature, his heart, and he has also woven many amazing clues about what was to come throughout the entire Torah. We have written a book on the subject called Reading Moses, Seeing Jesus. The more you study, the more you find! It's a bottomless well of fascination.
God has not reneged on his promises and gifts to Israel (since as Paul says in Romans 11, they are irrevocable) and Yeshua will come and reign on the throne of David. Where is that? Jerusalem! Just as it has been amazing to watch God fulfilling his promises to regather Israel from the nations and reestablish them in the land, so we can look forward to all the other promises that God has made to the nation of Israel coming to pass – they are our bona fide guarantee that God keeps his promises.

“THE LAW IS GOOD, IF YOU USE IT PROPERLY” 1 TIM 1:8​

It is a lifetime’s journey to learn how to understand the Bible and use it properly, but here are a couple of thoughts.

UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT

There are arguments about whether or not to take the Bible literally, but it’s better to try and take it literarily – that is, understand what kind of literature it is, and what God is saying through it. Each word is there on purpose, but what is God’s purpose? When Jesus tells parables, he does not need us to believe that there really was a prodigal son, but he wants us to understand the heart of the father in the story he made up to explain his point. In the same way, the Bible is full of all different kinds of stories, poetry, letters, parables, songs, and the book of Job is written as a play. Of course, there is also an enormous amount of history in there that really happened. We need to see first and foremost, who these words are written to, in what context, and what kind of literature it is. When we do this, we have to face an uncomfortable fact: most of the Bible was written to and about the people of Israel. Today we have the privilege of looking over their shoulder and seeing what God said to them, and learn about what God is like through reading it, but we must accept the context of the words we are reading.

UNDERSTANDING ISRAEL IS KEY

The Bible is not just a collection of good ideas for living and inspirational thoughts – it is real history and geography, past, present and future. Our Messiah was real. His crazy Jewish family was real. He really lived, he really died, he really rose again, and he is coming back again to a real place in real time! If we are to cut out Israel and the Jewish people from the Bible, we would have very little left – God has chosen to hang his story of redemption for all peoples on the story of his chosen people, Israel. Developing an appreciation of God's great story and how very real it is helps us to understand better how to apply his word in our days and how to read prophetic scriptures.

The Bible is a supernatural book containing prophecy and wisdom far greater than anything natural man could concoct – prophecies about the Messiah, Israel and the Middle East, and about world events.
We have the advantage of looking back and comparing the prophecies and Yeshua's life and seeing that the Bible is stunningly accurate in its predictions, and now also the privilege of seeing God's word coming to pass for Israel, but there is much more to come.
The Bible is as relevant today as it ever was – this is the time not to neglect the Scriptures, but to really get to grips with them, so that we can understand the author better, know where he says we are going, and be able to stand strong till the end in his word.

SHALOM
Excellent OP but VOID out 'barak' who is a devil and HATES the Jewish people along with biden.
= barak/biden, have given millions to Iran and those who are bombing/raping/murdering Jews.
It is their philosophies and policies that has given birth to the HATE that plagues our cities and universities today!

Do you remember who Jezebel was from the days of the prophet Eliyyah???
Her modern day twin is seeking to be the next US President.

Thru the manipulation of Jezebel: "king Ahab did more to provoke YAHWEH Elohe of Israel to anger than all the kings of Israel who were before him"
 
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You must have heard about the tragic passing away of Johnny Gaudreau and his brother? That's really really sad. 😢 I didn't follow his career because I'm just a Montreal Canadiens fan but I hear that he was loved by everyone, except the goalies he scored against. Life is so short.
HORRIFIC

Drunk driver ran them over on their bikes i heard, = is that correct?
We shut off our TV about three months ago so i am not up to date on news/sports.
 
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don't get me wrong I like a good debate even heated ones as long as they are not done with personal attacks. now a days I prefer the more civil ones. On the old Carm days we had some real battles and things got really personal on a regular basis with people getting frequent vacations from the moderators. nowadays most forums just ban the person without warning and a chance to reform or change their behavior.
nowadays most forums just ban the person without warning
This occurred to me on my first forum!

There was a few people(and one moderator) who really thought very high of themselves and were unable to overcome my understanding of the holy scriptures.

Without warning, i was ambushed by 'one of them' who had been chomping-at-the-bit to see me banned.
That individual had sights on me from the very day he became a member.
Unbeknown to me he bought his way up and became a high ranking pharisee, i mean member, and i was banned.
Not for name calling, but his false accusations led me to challenging him, which, according to them was not permitted at my level.

there was no evidentiary hearing whereby you could defend yourself
of course, they had all the evidence they needed, behind closed doors - high fiving each other
 
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HORRIFIC

Drunk driver ran them over on their bikes i heard, = is that corretc?
Yes. The drunk driver was speeding and didn't realize that the car in front of him went into the middle of the road in order to bypass the cyclists Johnny and Matthew. The drunk driver thought that the car in front of him was attempting to slow him down so he proceeded to pass him on the right which is where the cyclists were. Tragic just tragic.

Johnny and Matthew were just coming back from a rehearsal of their sisters wedding which was to happen the following day. The brothers leave behind wives, two children, and an unborn child.

The entire Columbus Hockey team will be present at the funeral scheduled for Monday.

Johnny and Matthew were inseparable and they will take care of each other in the after life.
 
Yes. The drunk driver was speeding and didn't realize that the car in front of him went into the middle of the road in order to bypass the cyclists Johnny and Matthew. The drunk driver thought that the car in front of him was attempting to slow him down so he proceeded to pass him on the right which is where the cyclists were. Tragic just tragic.

Johnny and Matthew were just coming back from a rehearsal of their sisters wedding which was to happen the following day. The brothers leave behind wives, two children, and an unborn child.

The entire Columbus Hockey team will be present at the funeral scheduled for Monday.

Johnny and Matthew were inseparable and they will take care of each other in the after life.
very very very sad news my Brother
 
This occurred to me on my first forum!

There was a few people(and one moderator) who really thought very high of themselves and were unable to overcome my understanding of the holy scriptures.

Without warning, i was ambushed by 'one of them' who had been chomping-at-the-bit to see me banned.
That individual had sights on me from the very day he became a member.
Unbeknown to me he bought his way up and became a high ranking pharisee, i mean member, and i was banned.
Not for name calling, but his false accusations led me to challenging him, which, according to them was not permitted at my level.

there was no evidentiary hearing whereby you could defend yourself
of course, they had all the evidence they needed, behind closed doors - high fiving each other
I think we lean the opposite way here and give allot of leeway and warnings before a moderator/administrator ever bans anyone. I can count on one hand those who were banned. It's very rare.
 
I don't believe that your interpretation of Hebrews 8:13 makes God a false teacher, nor does it discredit the very Words of the Jesus "of the bible". But this is the very foundation of the religion you have adopted and are now promoting. Something was prophesied to change, to become old, and vanish away. I posted what the Scriptures tell us what this is, and that the Levitical Priesthood and the sacrificial "works" for atonement of sins, is what became obsolete. As it is written;

1 Sam. 15: 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

I know you will not be persuaded otherwise, because the Jesus "of the Bible" told me.

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Nevertheless, such discussions are good to have and there may be others who are seeking Biblical Truth.
Hello @Studyman,

Please share what you are promoting as i am intrigued by Melchizedek and the Book of Hebrews.
 
The author of Hebrews says it is "READY" to pass away, but he doesn't say WHEN or IT HAS passed away. The word "ready" is tentative.

tentative: Under terms not final or fully worked out or agreed upon

And Jesus fulfilled the Law in its scope upon which the animal sacrifice was made for which are the children of Israel. So, if Jesus fulfilled the Law and was substitute for the animal sacrifice which was slain for the sins of the children of Israel, then Jesus as substitute was slain for the sins of the children of Israel under the Law. He did not come to change the Law but to fulfill it. Thus Jesus, as with the animal that was sacrificed, was slain to atone for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY.

Tell me where it says the Law vanished away and gone (past tense.)

He was substituted for the animal and if the animal slain atoned for the sins of the children of Israel and Jesus was substituted for that animal, then it is reasonable and logical to conclude Jesus died for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY just as the animal was slain for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY.

His people are the Hebrew people. All twelve tribes all the way to Abraham.
And Jesus fulfilled the Law in its scope upon which the animal sacrifice was made for which are the children of Israel. So, if Jesus fulfilled the Law and was substitute for the animal sacrifice which was slain for the sins of the children of Israel, then Jesus as substitute was slain for the sins of the children of Israel under the Law. He did not come to change the Law but to fulfill it.
ABSOLUTELY TRUE



Thus Jesus, as with the animal that was sacrificed, was slain to atone for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY.
ABSOLUTELY FALSE


the Hebrew prophet John the Baptist, who was under the OT law says this to you:
“Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!" - John 1:29
 
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