The Old Testament: Obsolete and Embarrassing or still valid today?

[synergy]

Then this would mean God lied to Abraham that only he and his seed were promised what God promised.
But that is not true. God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and with his seed and non-Hebrew Gentiles DO NOT come from His seed.

Your Judaizing schemes just hit a road block. Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13 is in your face concerning the New Covenant and there is nothing you can do about it other than to accept it. Your refusal to do so speaks volumes. It's time to tell that Judaizing spirit of yours to take a hike.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Yes, there are half-Jew/half-Gentile offspring who lived as Gentiles in Gentile lands and lived in Israel also.
God made NO COVENANT with non-Hebrew Gentiles. NONE.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles (Romans) lived in Israel. There were Roman garrisons in Israel. But God made NO COVENANT with non-Hebrew Gentiles. NONE. All three Hebrew covenants are between God and Abraham and with his seed and non-Hebrews do not come from Abraham's seed. They come from the seed of Ham and Japheth.

I am taking Scripture as written. And Scripture records God making covenant with Abram the Hebrew and with his seed. Anyone who has a Hebrew parent and who is saved must have a Hebrew parent in their ancestry and they are scattered to the four corners of the earth. In 1970 a great exodus occurred in which hundreds of thousands of half-Jew/half-Gentile Jews returned to their land. Most were half-Jew/half-Russian. There were Jews of mixed heritage coming to Israel from all over the world - from Africa, southern Europe, central Europe, western Europe, even from north and south Americas.
God scattered His Hebrew covenant people FOUR TIMES: Assyrian, Babylonian, Roman, and German (1930s.)
Some lived as Jews and according to the Law and Judaism, but they came from OUT OF Gentile lands. Some lived and were raised as Gentiles. How far can you trace your family history? Back to Assyria? To the Roman destruction of Israel (70AD)? How about to the Dark Ages? Can you go that far? Some can trace their families to the 1600s and that is as far as I've heard anyone who is born-again say.
BUT ANYONE who is born-again MUST have at least ONE HEBREW parent in their ancestry BECAUSE I take Scripture as written and in Genesis the Abraham Covenant that started it all was between God and Abram the Hebrew and with his seed. YOU'RE THE ONE and others who add non-Hebrew Gentiles into the Abraham covenant when God didn't even make a covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
And the Abraham Covenant IS ETHNICAL. The decade of the 1970s saw a great influx of half-Jew/half-Gentiles returning to Israel. There was a significant wave of Jewish immigration to Israel that occurred during that decade.

It was primarily driven by several factors:

• Soviet Union: The Soviet Union's policies towards Jews were restrictive, and many Jews sought to emigrate to Israel for religious and cultural freedom.
• Arab-Israeli Wars: The Six-Day War in 1967 and the Yom Kippur War in 1973 increased Jewish solidarity and the desire to return to Israel.
• Economic Opportunities: Israel's growing economy and development offered opportunities for many Jews, particularly from Western countries.

The Great Exodus was a major event in Israel's history, significantly increasing the Jewish population and contributing to the country's development.

AND they were ALL mixed heritage. But as long as they were Abraham's seed then they were inheritors of the Abraham covenant promises of God. But God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. As a matter of fact this is God's attitude to the offspring of Ham and Japheth and all non-Hebrew Gentiles:

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

Interesting migratory information about Jews of various heritages but nothing there proves that all of the Christian Congregations that the Apostles planted, presided over, and wrote to contained no non-Hebrew Gentiles.

Fact: the New Covenant includes both Believing Gentiles and Jews as evidenced by Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13.

You have to break Scripture to add any non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants.
And YOU DO and this is error. I"M KEEPING with Scripture, not YOU.

It's you that is breaking scripture (Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13) concerning the New Covenant
It is highly recommended that you give that Judaizing spirit of yours the boot.

 

[jeremiah1five]

As I told you before, for your theories to hold you need to prove that all of the Christian Congregations that the Apostles planted, presided over, and wrote to contained no non-Hebrew Gentiles.

You need to get your head out of that false Constantinian Gentile theology you're infected with and do your own study. The churches in Asia Minor were not founded by the apostles. They were founded by Jews that came from those places identified by the tongues that were spoken on the day of the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost.) Three thousand Jews were born-again and when the feast was over they went back to their homes and synagogues.


8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:8–11.

A mixture of Jews and Jew-Gentil offspring because they were born in Gentile lands as the map indicates. It doesn't matter they were Hellenized (influenced by Greek culture) they were practicing Jews and Jew-Gentile offspring who were born in these parts outside of Israel for how many generations since the Assyrian and Babylonian conquests and exiles? Five? Six generations? All living in Gentile lands and who came to the Feast as commanded by God in the Law.

Now THINK a moment. A couple of thousand "Halleluja's" and "holy-rollers," and "Jesus freaks" all on Roman roads going back home. Wouldn't you think they met other Jews on the roads and in the cities they went through to get back home and with great joy sharing their experiences in the Holy Spirit of Promise (promised to Israel) and an outline of Peter's sermon and testifying about this Jesus of Nazareth of whom the Holy Spirit opened their eyes to as their Messiah and King? And when they got back home and the first Sabbath they went to told of their experiences to their fellow Jews in the synagogues and the God-Fearers and proselytes that were there. The Holy Spirit was being POURED out like water from a jar. And WHO were the recipients of this pouring? JEWS that's who. Christ was building His Church and He populated it with Jews. And why not? God had no obligation to non-Hebrew Gentiles. He had no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. It's all Jewish prophecy and covenants that these things were taking place as Israel as a nation entered the New Covenant era. They shared Jesus being crucified on a tree. What does that signify to a Jew? What does the Law say about anyone who hanged on a tree? IT MEANT THEY WERE CURSED! But how can their Messiah, Redeemer, and King be cursed? THAT was their stumbling stone and while God opened certain eyes, others were left blinded and closed. So what happened? In Jerusalem the disciples were told not to preach this Messiah and King who hanged on a tree. In time Jews were being born-again and Christ's Church was growing by the thousands everywhere in the Roman Empire. Soon, Jews excommunicated these Jewish Christians from their synagogues and Jewish Christians gathered in their homes. Excommunication wasn't enough. Jew began to persecute the Christians and some Jewish Christians to escape persecution want to go back to their Temple and Judaism but the author of Hebrews says what?

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:3–6.

In time the persecution became deadly:

54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul.
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 And Saul was consenting unto his death.
And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea Acts 7:54–8:1.

And yet more Jewish Christians fled the persecution and the Word of God went out AGAIN! And what were the apostles doing? They STAYED in Jerusalem.

1 And Saul was consenting unto his death.
And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. Acts 8:1.

After about 8-10 years after Jesus' ascension the disciples were STILL in Jerusalem. But didn't Jesus command them to go to Judaea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the earth? Yes, He did. But they stayed in Jerusalem and whether or not you care to admit it, they were in DISOBEDIENCE! There is no record in the bible or outside the bible that from ascension to this first great persecution the apostles did what thet were told for at leat ten years or more. Nothing.

The apostles did not found the churches that Peter, James, John, or Saul wrote to. They were founded by common Jews who took the message of Jesus their King into Gentile lands, to synagogues, to other Jews BECAUSE Jesus was a Jewish Messiah and was given to the Jews. There were no non-Hebrew Gentiles being born-again because the covenant was with the Hebrews, the twelve tribes of Israel - the Jews.

You told us about some Jewish Diaspora migratory paths but nothing you wrote clearly proves that the New Covenant belongs to only those who have Hebrew heritages of one form or another.

The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abram the Hebrew and with his seed.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel.
The New Covenant is the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus Christ and as was under the Law the animal sacrifice atoned for the sins of the children of Israel, so, too did the Lamb sent by God atone for the sins of the children of Israel:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
fI will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I lwill forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jer. 31:33–34.

This was done at the last Passover meal and His subsequent death and resurrection by the Second Person of the Trinity and applied when the Third Person of the Trinity (Holy Spirit) arrived.

The New Testament (Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13) even rebukes you. Therefore, your Judaizing theories concerning the New Covenant are ending in the trash where it belongs.

ALL THREE COVENANTS are between God and the Hebrew people.
YOU are the one breaking with Scripture to add to the bible things and people not there.
Show me in the passages when these three covenants were being made that there are non-Hebrew Gentiles named, mentioned, or even added to these three covenants.

You can't because it's NOT TRUE.
You are infected by Gentile heresy. They been stealing what God gave to His Abrahamic people the Hebrews since the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple. Why doesn't the gospels record Gentiles claiming to be in the Abrahamic Covenant like they do after the destruction of the Temple? Gentiles hated the Jews and the Jews hated them right back. But a Jew who has a Gentile parent in their family ancestry are STILL Abraham's seed and true heirs according to God's Promise.

Blindness is contagious, isn't it?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Your Judaizing schemes just hit a road block. Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13 is in your face concerning the New Covenant and there is nothing you can do about it other than to accept it. Your refusal to do so speaks volumes. It's time to tell that Judaizing spirit of yours to take a hike.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Interesting migratory information about Jews of various heritages but nothing there proves that all of the Christian Congregations that the Apostles planted, presided over, and wrote to contained no non-Hebrew Gentiles.

Fact: the New Covenant includes both Believing Gentiles and Jews as evidenced by Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13.

It's you that is breaking scripture (Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13) concerning the New Covenant
It is highly recommended that you give that Judaizing spirit of yours the boot.

I already responded to your heresy.
May God open your eyes.

 

[synergy]

You need to get your head out of that false Constantinian Gentile theology you're infected with and do your own study. The churches in Asia Minor were not founded by the apostles. They were founded by Jews that came from those places identified by the tongues that were spoken on the day of the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost.) Three thousand Jews were born-again and when the feast was over they went back to their homes and synagogues.

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8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:8–11.

A mixture of Jews and Jew-Gentil offspring because they were born in Gentile lands as the map indicates. It doesn't matter they were Hellenized (influenced by Greek culture) they were practicing Jews and Jew-Gentile offspring who were born in these parts outside of Israel for how many generations since the Assyrian and Babylonian conquests and exiles? Five? Six generations? All living in Gentile lands and who came to the Feast as commanded by God in the Law.

Now THINK a moment. A couple of thousand "Halleluja's" and "holy-rollers," and "Jesus freaks" all on Roman roads going back home. Wouldn't you think they met other Jews on the roads and in the cities they went through to get back home and with great joy sharing their experiences in the Holy Spirit of Promise (promised to Israel) and an outline of Peter's sermon and testifying about this Jesus of Nazareth of whom the Holy Spirit opened their eyes to as their Messiah and King? And when they got back home and the first Sabbath they went to told of their experiences to their fellow Jews in the synagogues and the God-Fearers and proselytes that were there. The Holy Spirit was being POURED out like water from a jar. And WHO were the recipients of this pouring? JEWS that's who. Christ was building His Church and He populated it with Jews. And why not? God had no obligation to non-Hebrew Gentiles. He had no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. It's all Jewish prophecy and covenants that these things were taking place as Israel as a nation entered the New Covenant era. They shared Jesus being crucified on a tree. What does that signify to a Jew? What does the Law say about anyone who hanged on a tree? IT MEANT THEY WERE CURSED! But how can their Messiah, Redeemer, and King be cursed? THAT was their stumbling stone and while God opened certain eyes, others were left blinded and closed. So what happened? In Jerusalem the disciples were told not to preach this Messiah and King who hanged on a tree. In time Jews were being born-again and Christ's Church was growing by the thousands everywhere in the Roman Empire. Soon, Jews excommunicated these Jewish Christians from their synagogues and Jewish Christians gathered in their homes. Excommunication wasn't enough. Jew began to persecute the Christians and some Jewish Christians to escape persecution want to go back to their Temple and Judaism but the author of Hebrews says what?

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:3–6.

In time the persecution became deadly:

54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul.
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

1 And Saul was consenting unto his death.
And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea Acts 7:54–8:1.

And yet more Jewish Christians fled the persecution and the Word of God went out AGAIN! And what were the apostles doing? They STAYED in Jerusalem.

1 And Saul was consenting unto his death.
And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. Acts 8:1.

After about 8-10 years after Jesus' ascension the disciples were STILL in Jerusalem. But didn't Jesus command them to go to Judaea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the earth? Yes, He did. But they stayed in Jerusalem and whether or not you care to admit it, they were in DISOBEDIENCE! There is no record in the bible or outside the bible that from ascension to this first great persecution the apostles did what thet were told for at leat ten years or more. Nothing.

The apostles did not found the churches that Peter, James, John, or Saul wrote to. They were founded by common Jews who took the message of Jesus their King into Gentile lands, to synagogues, to other Jews BECAUSE Jesus was a Jewish Messiah and was given to the Jews. There were no non-Hebrew Gentiles being born-again because the covenant was with the Hebrews, the twelve tribes of Israel - the Jews.

Like I said before, I appreciate the spreading of the Gospel that took place after Pentecost. That doesn't mean that all Churches were already planted and accounted for when the Apostles went to those lands. The Berean Jews and Athenian Greeks were some of many cases where Paul directly converted non-Believers to Believers. Hence, what you wrote above still does not prove that all the Congregations that the Apostles wrote to contained no non-Hebrew Gentiles

The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abram the Hebrew and with his seed.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel.
The New Covenant is the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus Christ and as was under the Law the animal sacrifice atoned for the sins of the children of Israel, so, too did the Lamb sent by God atone for the sins of the children of Israel:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
fI will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I lwill forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jer. 31:33–34.

This was done at the last Passover meal and His subsequent death and resurrection by the Second Person of the Trinity and applied when the Third Person of the Trinity (Holy Spirit) arrived.

Gentiles were grafted into the Olive Tree as branches. Furthermore, your Judaizing schemes just hit a road block. Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13 is in your face concerning the New Covenant and there is nothing you can do about it other than to accept it. Your refusal to do so speaks volumes. It's time to tell that Judaizing spirit of yours to take a hike.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

ALL THREE COVENANTS are between God and the Hebrew people.
YOU are the one breaking with Scripture to add to the bible things and people not there.
Show me in the passages when these three covenants were being made that there are non-Hebrew Gentiles named, mentioned, or even added to these three covenants.

You can't because it's NOT TRUE.
You are infected by Gentile heresy. They been stealing what God gave to His Abrahamic people the Hebrews since the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple. Why doesn't the gospels record Gentiles claiming to be in the Abrahamic Covenant like they do after the destruction of the Temple? Gentiles hated the Jews and the Jews hated them right back. But a Jew who has a Gentile parent in their family ancestry are STILL Abraham's seed and true heirs according to God's Promise.

Fact: the New Covenant includes both Believing Gentiles and Jews as evidenced by Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13.

It's you that is breaking scripture (Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13) concerning the New Covenant
It is highly recommended that you give that Judaizing spirit of yours the boot.

Blindness is contagious, isn't it?

You and your Judaizing spirit are evidence of it.

As I told you before, for your theories to hold you need to prove that all of the Christian Congregations that the Apostles helped to plant, presided over, or wrote to contained no non-Hebrew Gentiles. You told us about some Jewish Diaspora migratory and spreading of the Gospel paths but nothing you wrote clearly proves that the New Covenant belongs to only those who have Hebrew heritages of one form or another. The New Testament (Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13) even rebukes you. Therefore, your Judaizing theories concerning the New Covenant are ending in the trash where they belong.

 

[Studyman]

God forgives sins but He does it through the mechanism of the Law. You said there was a change. I understood a change in the priesthood, but the Scripture says the Law itself was changed. What part of the Law changed to accommodate a change in the priesthood?

If you read my post, I pointed out the "Change" in the Law as defined by Scriptures.

Heb. 7: 11 If therefore perfection were by "the Levitical priesthood", (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth "another priest",

The Temporary Levitical Priesthood, was a Priesthood where only a Levite could minister before God in the Priests office. (EX. 28:41 When Jesus became our high Priest, it caused, by necessity, a change in that Law.

I am addressing the covenant of Genesis 17. The first part of the Abraham covenant is in Genesis 12. Here God promised Abe, "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed (Gen. 12:2-3.)

1. a great nation.
2. he would be blessed.
3. a great name.
4. he would be a blessing (implied, to others.)
5. Implied: allies would be blessed who bless Abe, enemies would be cursed who curse Abe.
6. all families of the earth shall be blessed (meaning the seed that comes from him would be blessed for they would be the inheritors of the promised God gave Abe. It only refers to those who are his seed and his seed can and would eventually be mixed with other nationalities as what God did and intended in scattering his seed in all history four times throughout Gentile lands: Assyrian, Babylonian, Roman, German.)
Note: God giving land to Abe is implied in verse one,

1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: Gen. 12:1.

You said;

"The only command God gave Abraham was circumcision."

I posted the Scriptures which expose this statement as false. If you still want to defend this falsehood, you are free to do so.

And the Abraham Covenant was with the seed of Abraham, or a people later to be identified as his seed or the children of Abraham. Were non-Hebrew Gentiles ever included in the Abraham and Mosaic Covenants when they were made?

Israel was "Strangers" in the Land of Egypt, according to God.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you "as one born among you", and thou shalt love him as thyself; for "ye were" strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

This OP is concerning the Covenant God gave to those of Israel, who followed God out of Egypt, which became old and was ready to vanish.

but it is clarified in verse seven in which God declares to give land to Abe's seed.

Gen. 17: 1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; "walk before me, and be thou perfect". 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

Abram was Commanded by God to do things, and if he did, then God would make a covenant with him. We know Abraham obeyed the Commands of God because God said so.

Gen. 26: 2 And the LORD appeared unto him, (Isaac) and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:

3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;

4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandment "s", my statute "s", and my law "s".

6 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.
7 And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: Gen. 12:6–7.

18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Gen. 15:18ff.

But Abraham wasn't obedient. He was supposed to take his wife and his household which included servants. Instead he left with his father and his nephew, Lot.

No, the "only requirement God made of Abraham was circumcision". The instruction to offer Isaac was not part of the covenant God made with Abraham beginning in Genesis 12 - 15 - 17. These chapters delineate the Abraham covenant God made with Abe.

The religion you are promoting rejects God's Word outright, according to your posts. The unreputable evidence of this is posted right before your eyes. Now if you still want to promote your own specific religion in which God's Word is outright rejected, you are free to do so. Goodness knows this world's religions have been doing that very thing since the Tower of Babel. I am merely pointing out the contrast between what you are preaching, and what the Scriptures actually say.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Like I said before, I appreciate the spreading of the Gospel that took place after Pentecost. That doesn't mean that all Churches were already planted and accounted for when the Apostles went to those lands. The Berean Jews and Athenian Greeks were some of many cases where Paul directly converted non-Believers to Believers. Hence, what you wrote above still does not prove that all the Congregations that the Apostles wrote to contained no non-Hebrew Gentiles

Scripture and extra-biblical record reveal the apostles did not obey the Lord to go into Gentile lands to the Jews living in those places to heralds the coming of their Messiah. By the time Acts 8 comes into play even the persecution would not cause the apostles to go and fulfill their commission. That's about ten years since Pentecost. The gospel went out because it was shared by common folk who left areas where their persecution was occurring to escape even death at the hands of the Judaizers. Acts two records there were visitors at the Feast who say that the tongues the apostles were speaking were from areas in Asia Minor WHERE THEY WERE BORN that they recognized.
So, I'll leave you to your Gentile mindset to interpret the Bible as though God is the God of Manny, Moe, and Jack, and NOT of Abraham the Hebrew, Isaac the Hebrew, and Jacob the Hebrew.

Gentiles were grafted into the Olive Tree as branches. Furthermore, your Judaizing schemes just hit a road block. Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13 is in your face concerning the New Covenant and there is nothing you can do about it other than to accept it. Your refusal to do so speaks volumes. It's time to tell that Judaizing spirit of yours to take a hike.

Look who ignores Scripture. Only Israel is called Olive tree of God in the Old Testament. There is no passage in the Old Testament of God calling Gentiles an Olive tree, let alone a "wild" Olive tree.
SHOW ME IN THE OLD TESTAMENT GOD CALLING GENTILES AN OLIVE TREE.
Show me.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

The "for you" are twelve Hebrew men. And Jesus does this and fulfills the Law which sacrifice under the Law was for the sins of the children of Israel.
SHOW ME IN THE OLD TESTAMENT OF THE ANIMAL SACRIFICE WAS FOR GENTILES.
SHOW ME A HIGH PRIEST LEAVING ISRAEL AND GOING TO GENTILES AND PRAYING FOR THEM AND OFFERING SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SIN.
You can't do it because it's not there in Scripture.

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Fact: the New Covenant includes both Believing Gentiles and Jews as evidenced by Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13.

It's you that is breaking scripture (Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13) concerning the New Covenant
It is highly recommended that you give that Judaizing spirit of yours the boot.

You and your Judaizing spirit are evidence of it.

As I told you before, for your theories to hold you need to prove that all of the Christian Congregations that the Apostles helped to plant, presided over, or wrote to contained no non-Hebrew Gentiles. You told us about some Jewish Diaspora migratory and spreading of the Gospel paths but nothing you wrote clearly proves that the New Covenant belongs to only those who have Hebrew heritages of one form or another. The New Testament (Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13) even rebukes you. Therefore, your Judaizing theories concerning the New Covenant are ending in the trash where they belong.

Your heresy is wearisome. I get tired of repeating myself to one who rejects the Counsel of God to maintain their heresy.

 

[jeremiah1five]

If you read my post, I pointed out the "Change" in the Law as defined by Scriptures.







You said;



I posted the Scriptures which expose this statement as false. If you still want to defend this falsehood, you are free to do so.



Israel was "Strangers" in the Land of Egypt, according to God.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you "as one born among you", and thou shalt love him as thyself; for "ye were" strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

This OP is concerning the Covenant God gave to those of Israel, who followed God out of Egypt, which became old and was ready to vanish.




Gen. 17: 1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; "walk before me, and be thou perfect". 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

Abram was Commanded by God to do things, and if he did, then God would make a covenant with him. We know Abraham obeyed the Commands of God because God said so.

Gen. 26: 2 And the LORD appeared unto him, (Isaac) and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:

3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;

4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandment "s", my statute "s", and my law "s".




The religion you are promoting rejects God's Word outright, according to your posts. The unreputable evidence of this is posted right before your eyes. Now if you still want to promote your own specific religion in which God's Word is outright rejected, you are free to do so. Goodness knows this world's religions have been doing that very thing since the Tower of Babel. I am merely pointing out the contrast between what you are preaching, and what the Scriptures actually say.

God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. None.
The animal sacrifice was offered in order to atone for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY.
Jesus fulfilled the Law and died for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY.
THAT'S what fulfilling the Law means. He, as the lamb OF GOD, was sacrificed for the children of Israel ONLY.
There is no passage in the bible of the high priest going into Gentile lands and praying for Gentiles or offering sacrifice for their sins. It never happened. God has NO COVENANT with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
Non-Hebrew Gentiles are without atonement for their sins and will die in that sinful, unatoned condition and be eternally and everlastingly separated from God of Abraham the Hebrew, Isaac the Hebrew, and Jacob the Hebrew.

 

[Studyman]

God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. None.

I'm more interested with what the Scriptures actually say, than what this world's various, and many differing religious sects and businesses promote.

Gen. 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

This is just one of many "Covenants" God has made with the inhabitants of this world, Jew and Gentile. For you to preach to others, that this covenant was only for men of a certain DNA is foolishness. God Himself, in His Holy Scriptures teaches us who HIS LAW was created for.

Ex. 12: 49 One law shall be to him that is "homeborn", (Jew/Hebrew) and unto the "stranger" (Non-Jew/Hebrew) that sojourneth among you.

It's right there in your own Bible to believe or reject. For me, I choose to believe His Words. But you are free to make your own choices.

The animal sacrifice was offered in order to atone for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY.

Again, it seems prudent that a person allow God to tell men who His Sacrifice was for and who it isn't. So here is what the God of the bible actually says.

Ex. 12: 43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:

44 But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, "then" shall he eat thereof.

Are not all of God's People "Bought for a Price"?

45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.

46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.

47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.

48 And when a stranger "shall sojourn with thee", and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Jesus fulfilled the Law and died for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY.

No, Jesus' Blood was shed for all mankind, but mankind must take the blood (Life) and partake of it. (Ex. 12:7)

THAT'S what fulfilling the Law means. He, as the lamb OF GOD, was sacrificed for the children of Israel ONLY.

This is your religion, not the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible".

There is no passage in the bible of the high priest going into Gentile lands and praying for Gentiles or offering sacrifice for their sins. It never happened. God has NO COVENANT with non-Hebrew Gentiles.

If you would just humble your prideful self, and climb down on your high horse for just one minute, and listen to what God actually teaches, you would understand that a child of Abraham, a "Hebrew or Jew" if you will, is anyone who does the "Works of Abraham". Anyone who would sojourn with the Children of Israel and walk in God's Laws. The Jesus "of the Bible" tries to confirm what God told us through Moses, but your masters will not let you hear Him.

Matt. 15: 22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

26 But he answered (HER) and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

So I know you don't discuss scriptures, and so far you have not even responded to any of God's Word that's been posted, but I'm hoping you might consider what the Jesus "of the Bible" is telling you here.

This woman is the "stranger that sojourneth among the Children of Israel". Her faith was tested by the Christ Himself. Should Jesus "VEX Her" as you are preaching to the others HE should do? If HE did, HE would be rejecting God's Law created for this very purpose.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you "as one born among you", and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

This woman was no longer a Gentile, she is become a Homeborn Jew by God's Very Law, as Paul tries to teach you in Romans 2:23-29, if you would just listen to what is actually written.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles are without atonement for their sins and will die in that sinful, unatoned condition and be eternally and everlastingly separated from God of Abraham the Hebrew, Isaac the Hebrew, and Jacob the Hebrew.

Men who promote lies about God, and refuse to listen to HIM, and instead promote religious philosophies of men will die in their sins. The DNA such men are born with will have zero influence in this judgment as it is written "For there is no respect of persons with God".

I don't know what religion has infected your mind in such a way, I really hope you might consider the warning of the Jesus "of the bible" about listening to self-proclaimed "Apostles of Christ", and turn to the God defined in the Holy Scriptures.

 

[synergy]

Scripture and extra-biblical record reveal the apostles did not obey the Lord to go into Gentile lands to the Jews living in those places to heralds the coming of their Messiah. By the time Acts 8 comes into play even the persecution would not cause the apostles to go and fulfill their commission. That's about ten years since Pentecost. The gospel went out because it was shared by common folk who left areas where their persecution was occurring to escape even death at the hands of the Judaizers. Acts two records there were visitors at the Feast who say that the tongues the apostles were speaking were from areas in Asia Minor WHERE THEY WERE BORN that they recognized.
So, I'll leave you to your Gentile mindset to interpret the Bible as though God is the God of Manny, Moe, and Jack, and NOT of Abraham the Hebrew, Isaac the Hebrew, and Jacob the Hebrew.

However long it took for the Apostles to start their missionary trips makes no difference to what I stated already. That doesn't mean that all Churches were already planted and accounted for when the Apostles went to those lands. The Berean Jews and Athenian Greeks were some of many cases where Paul directly converted non-Believers to Believers. Hence, what you wrote above still does not prove that all the Congregations that the Apostles wrote to contained no non-Hebrew Gentiles

Look who ignores Scripture. Only Israel is called Olive tree of God in the Old Testament. There is no passage in the Old Testament of God calling Gentiles an Olive tree, let alone a "wild" Olive tree.
SHOW ME IN THE OLD TESTAMENT GOD CALLING GENTILES AN OLIVE TREE.
Show me.

Look who can't read English. I stated that Gentiles were grafted into the Olive Tree as branches. The Gentiles are branches. Do you understand English?

So now you have Gentiles grafted in and there is nothing you can do about it. Your Judaizing spirit must be screaming mad because of that fact.

The "for you" are twelve Hebrew men. And Jesus does this and fulfills the Law which sacrifice under the Law was for the sins of the children of Israel.
SHOW ME IN THE OLD TESTAMENT OF THE ANIMAL SACRIFICE WAS FOR GENTILES.
SHOW ME A HIGH PRIEST LEAVING ISRAEL AND GOING TO GENTILES AND PRAYING FOR THEM AND OFFERING SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SIN.
You can't do it because it's not there in Scripture.

Do not forget that Gentiles, such as Ruth, were grafted in even in OT times. So the grafting in precedence already existed in OT times. That fact clearly supports the grafting in of the Gentiles into the New Covenant as mentioned in Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13. It's time to tell that Judaizing spirit of yours to take a hike.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Your heresy is wearisome. I get tired of repeating myself to one who rejects the Counsel of God to maintain their heresy.

Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13 is going to keep wearing you down until your Judaizing spirit is exorcised and given the boot.

 

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[Complete]

Do you believe non-Hebrew Gentiles are in any of the three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, New)??

I have already discussed this, @jeremiah1five.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I'm more interested with what the Scriptures actually say, than what this world's various, and many differing religious sects and businesses promote.

If this were true then you'd understand there is NO Scripture of God making any kind of covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles and that under the Law the animal sacrifice was commanded by God to atone yearly for the sins of the children of Israel and that IF Christ fulfilled the Law (and He did) and was substitute for the animal then Christ's death was only for the sins of the children of Israel finally and eternally. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in the Abraham, Mosaic and New Covenants. NONE. Unless you can show me where non-Hebrew Gentiles are included in the three Hebrew covenants without twisting or breaking Scripture.

Gen. 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

This is just one of many "Covenants" God has made with the inhabitants of this world, Jew and Gentile. For you to preach to others, that this covenant was only for men of a certain DNA is foolishness. God Himself, in His Holy Scriptures teaches us who HIS LAW was created for.

That is no covenant. That's a Gentile gimmick. This is what a covenant looks like: (notice the words and intent)

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:7.

5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Ex 19:4–6.

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jer. 31:33.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer. 31:31.

Notice the terminology of covenant in these three covenants the God of Abraham has with the Hebrew people (his seed) which are clearly missing from Genesis 1-3. If you are to keep your word above about Scripture, you'll notice (if you are honest with Scripture) that are NO GENTILES in any of these three covenants. Are you ready to agree with this truth?

Ex. 12: 49 One law shall be to him that is "homeborn", (Jew/Hebrew) and unto the "stranger" (Non-Jew/Hebrew) that sojourneth among you.
It's right there in your own Bible to believe or reject. For me, I choose to believe His Words. But you are free to make your own choices.

While the seed of Abraham through Jacob was in captivity for 430 years what were the descendants of Ishmael and Esau doing? They lived in the land of Canaan and nearby. How many can Ishmael's twelve sons have as far as descendants in the same 430 years Jacob's twelve sons were in captivity? When God delivered the Hebrews from Egypt there were upwards between 3-4 million Hebrews that came out of Egypt. Maybe 3-4 million Ishmaelites were in that neighborhood of population at the time of Egypt's destruction? And although not promised as Isaac was how long did Abraham's descendants through Ishmael continue circumcision? Tell me if you know.

Again, it seems prudent that a person allow God to tell men who His Sacrifice was for and who it isn't. So here is what the God of the bible actually says.
Ex. 12: 43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
44 But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, "then" shall he eat thereof.
Are not all of God's People "Bought for a Price"?
45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.
46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.

They can be bought with a price or even Hebrew servants. It doesn't matter. Abraham's servants were circumcised but that didn't mean they were in covenant. Ishmael was circumcised but that doesn't mean the covenant promises went through him. One HAS TO BE SEED OF ISSAC AND JACOB to be in covenant for that's the direction the Promises of God went. Servants or strangers can eat all they want and be circumcised but the promise went to Isaac and Jacob.

47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.

48 And when a stranger "shall sojourn with thee", and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

There you go. Declaring the original Church is NOT Gentile but Hebrew. Yes, congregation. I love it! Good job!
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Exodus-12-48/

No, Jesus' Blood was shed for all mankind, but mankind must take the blood (Life) and partake of it. (Ex. 12:7)

Again, you're not being honest with Scripture.
Show me a passage the animal sacrifice was also to atone for Gentiles. You can't because there are no such Scripture.
If Jesus' sacrifice was substitutionary - which IT IS - then you'd be honest with Scripture to acknowledge that Jesus came to FULFILL the Law and as a substitution was to apply for the sins of the children of Israel UNDER THE LAW.
Jesus didn't change a thing. That's why Saul says among other comments he makes that:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we [JEWS] might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

The Mosaic Covenant sacrifices were for those in the Mosaic Covenant and that means the children of Israel - NOT GENTILES. So, stop with your adding to the bible and be honest with God and Scripture.

This is your religion, not the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible".

If you would just humble your prideful self, and climb down on your high horse for just one minute, and listen to what God actually teaches, you would understand that a child of Abraham, a "Hebrew or Jew" if you will, is anyone who does the "Works of Abraham". Anyone who would sojourn with the Children of Israel and walk in God's Laws. The Jesus "of the Bible" tries to confirm what God told us through Moses, but your masters will not let you hear Him.

Anyone who does the "works of Abraham" (and what were those 'works'? Can you identify them? They were for the Hebrew and his seed and all mankind is NOT the seed of Abraham. They are the seed of Ham and Japheth.

Matt. 15: 22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered (HER) and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

You post it but your interpretations contradict what Jesus Himself said. He was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel, NOT GENTILES. John makes the same confession:

31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
Jn 1:30–31.

Believe the Scripture and stop adding to the bible.

So I know you don't discuss scriptures, and so far you have not even responded to any of God's Word that's been posted, but I'm hoping you might consider what the Jesus "of the Bible" is telling you here.

This woman is the "stranger that sojourneth among the Children of Israel". Her faith was tested by the Christ Himself. Should Jesus "VEX Her" as you are preaching to the others HE should do? If HE did, HE would be rejecting God's Law created for this very purpose.

No, she was a daughter of Abraham. Most likely a half-Jew/Gentile Samaritan. As long as her DNA has Abraham's seed she is a daughter of Abraham. She even says so.

7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jn 4:7.

12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, Jn 4:11–12.

Case closed.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you "as one born among you", and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

This woman was no longer a Gentile, she is become a Homeborn Jew by God's Very Law, as Paul tries to teach you in Romans 2:23-29, if you would just listen to what is actually written.

No, she was an actual seed of Abraham by mixed birth.

Men who promote lies about God, and refuse to listen to HIM, and instead promote religious philosophies of men will die in their sins. The DNA such men are born with will have zero influence in this judgment as it is written "For there is no respect of persons with God".

Sure there is:

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel [the person] and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain [the person] and to his offering he had not respect. Gen. 4:3–5.

I don't know what religion has infected your mind in such a way, I really hope you might consider the warning of the Jesus "of the bible" about listening to self-proclaimed "Apostles of Christ", and turn to the God defined in the Holy Scriptures.

At the bottom of my comments, it says: Biblical Christian.

If YOUR Christianity is NOT Biblical, then it is NOT Christianity.
Bottom line.

So, get your doctrine in order and stop adding to the bible.

 

[jeremiah1five]

However long it took for the Apostles to start their missionary trips makes no difference to what I stated already.

Everything in Scripture makes a difference, even topography such as "Jesus went down to..." or "Jesus went up to..." (referring to height or depth to sea level), or even the simple use of contractions and nouns, both grammar of the original texts and copies and translations. Every jot and tittle is of exceptional meaning when studying Scripture. So, if Christ commanded the apostle to go into Gentile lands to herald His coming to Jews living there then their obedience or disobedience are lessons, we need to consider whether in Scripture or in extra-biblical texts and secular record-keeping. And the answer to the command as to whether the apostles obey is just as important as any other covenant indicator to come to the knowledge of the truth. You might gloss over such seemingly mundane points in Scripture but I don't. I prefer the whole counsel of Scripture to ascertain what I am instructed and commanded to obey and the fact of the apostles never going out into Gentile lands with the gospel to the Jews is important.

That doesn't mean that all Churches were already planted and accounted for when the Apostles went to those lands. The Berean Jews and Athenian Greeks were some of many cases where Paul directly converted non-Believers to Believers. Hence, what you wrote above still does not prove that all the Congregations that the Apostles wrote to contained no non-Hebrew Gentiles

It was about twenty years before any prominent person in the bible (Peter, James, John, Saul, etc.) left to visit Jewish Christian home fellowships in Asia Minor or even outside Jerusalem. As Christian Judaizers (Peter, James, John, Saul), none wanted to go into Gentile lands. It took Saul 14-17 years before the events in Acts 113 occurred and he was directed to go into Gentile lands to herald Israel's Messiah to the Jews living there. He was their Messiah, and it was their covenant and God wanted them to know what has taken place the last thirty years (the received timeframe of Acts from chapter one to twenty-eight.) Don't be too lazy in your studies. Every time I read the bible the Lord is always revealing something new to me, I may have missed in all my readings up to that time.

The good news was for Jews whose descendants remained in Gentile lands and in-between when Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to their land (522 BC) and only a remnant (10% of total) did return while the majority (90% of total) of Jews remained in Gentile lands.

Look who can't read English. I stated that Gentiles were grafted into the Olive Tree as branches. The Gentiles are branches. Do you understand English?

There is nothing in the Hebrew Scripture - NOTE: HEBREW Scripture - that records God of Abraham ever naming or calling Gentiles the national symbol of Israel which is the Olive tree. You add to the bible and there's your error. What you need is to have the Holy Spirit to study the Scripture and the stuff you believe about the Jewish Messiah and His covenant people is Gentile bias through and through. Just more theft by Gentiles stealing what belongs to Israel and stealing their National symbol is just more theft. Ever heard of Thou shalt NOT STEAL?

So now you have Gentiles grafted in and there is nothing you can do about it. Your Judaizing spirit must be screaming mad because of that fact.

God has been dealing with the Hebrews for four thousand years and has three covenants with this people and all of a sudden Gentiles have replaced Israel as the apple of God's eye? More bullcrap. God's attitude towards Gentiles is that He thinks of this unclean, uncircumcised people as nothing and vanity. And God doesn't make mistakes.

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

Imagine that.

Do not forget that Gentiles, such as Ruth, were grafted in even in OT times. So the grafting in precedence already existed in OT times. That fact clearly supports the grafting in of the Gentiles into the New Covenant as mentioned in Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13. It's time to tell that Judaizing spirit of yours to take a hike.

Ruth was a Moabitess and was not Abraham's seed. She was of Lot's, his nephew. Her marriage to Boaz did not grant her inclusion into the Abraham covenant.
The Old Testament does not explicitly state that a non-Israelite woman like Ruth could become part of the Abrahamic covenant solely through marriage. However, the narrative does suggest that her faith, loyalty, and connection to Boaz, a descendant of Abraham, played a significant role in her integration into the Israelite community and the fulfillment of God's promises. She was, like Gentile proselytes and God-Fearers only included in the political commonwealth of Israel and not covenant because the covenant is explicitly with Abraham and his seed and she is not his seed regardless of her marriage to Boaz who was Abraham's seed. Their children was Abraham's seed but now it becomes whether or not their seed was elect of God and heirs according to the promised just as Esau was of Abraham's seed but the promises did not go through his family. Same with Ishmael. Esau and Ishmael received great blessings of God for being his Abraham's seed but the covenant promises went through Jacob not Esau, and through Isaac not Ishmael.

Here are some key points from the text:

• Ruth's loyalty: She remained devoted to Naomi, her mother-in-law, even after her husband died. This demonstrates her faithfulness and commitment to the Israelite people.
• Ruth's faith: Her decision to seek refuge in Israel and to become a part of the community indicates her belief in God and His promises.
• Ruth's marriage: While the text doesn't explicitly state that her marriage to Boaz automatically granted her inclusion in the covenant, it does suggest that her connection to the Abrahamic lineage through Boaz was a significant factor and their children were of greater chance of being in the covenant promises.
• Ruth's descendants: Her descendants, including King David, played a crucial role in the fulfillment of God's promises to Abraham, and as we know David was chosen over his other Abrahamic seed brethren.

The narrative of Ruth suggests that her faith, loyalty, and connection to the Abrahamic lineage through marriage played a part in her integration into the Israelite community and the fulfillment of God's promises, but there is no Scripture that a non-Hebrew Gentile is brought into covenant through marriage. However, the children from a mixed heritage marriage are another question.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

That's correct. Jesus was sent to fulfill the Law which indicates that His Presence as Messiah and seed of Abraham and was also elect is directly tied to the Jeremiah prophecy of a New Covenant by which God could finally and eternally save His elect people, those whose names are in the book of life of the lamb slain (Rev. 13: 8). The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled in and by Jesus Christ, Lamb of God and Son of God in the flesh.

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

It doesn't say these Gentiles are in covenant with God leading a true student to study first whether these are non-Hebrew Gentiles or mixed heritage. Being "brought NEAR" does not mean being "brought IN" to the Abraham covenant. And the texts are referring to the cultural and political commonwealth of Israel, NOT covenant. There are no adoption papers in the bible that reveals God adopted non-Hebrew Gentiles into covenant with the Hebrews. I can be Mexican and be adopted into a black family but not be in the biological lineage of the black family that adopted me. Same applies to non-Hebrew Gentiles. I can be adopted by the black family and benefit from any blessings or suffer any curses that derive from such an adoption between non-similar biological family lines. Being Mexican and adopted by a black family does not make me African (if the black husband and wife are from Africa.)

Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13 is going to keep wearing you down until your Judaizing spirit is exorcised and given the boot.

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Lk 22:19–20.

Great passage showing the New Covenant is with Jewish men representing the Jewish covenant family line of Abraham. Just a bunch of Jews observing the Passover, which is a Hebrew observance, NOT a Gentile one.

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:11–13.

Brought near is NOT the same as brought IN. That much is certain. These "Gentiles in the flesh" are non-Hebrew Gentiles and NOT of the seed of Abraham. These are allied with Israel most likely as stated in political and cultural and even religious allies with Israel but NOT in covenant as Saul states correctly.
They were STILL "strangers FROM the covenants of promise." Learn to read.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I have already discussed this, @jeremiah1five.

No, you haven't. But you are sly to avoid the true and correct answer which from the bible states the covenants with God are between God, Abraham, and Abraham's seed and NOT with non-Hebrew Gentiles. You just don't want to confess the truth which by definition makes you a liar when you can't and won't stand up to the truth of God in Scripture. NO ONE - including YOU - can post Scripture of the three Hebrew covenants when made that include non-Hebrew Gentiles are included in any of these three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, and New.)
No one.

 

[Peterlag]

THE OLD TESTAMENT: OBSOLETE AND EMBARRASSING OR STILL VALID TODAY?​

If the new covenant brought in by Jesus replaced the old covenant made at Sinai, why do we need to read the Old Testament at all? Hebrews 8:13 tells us,
“By calling this covenant ‘new,' he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.”
Many Christians think that since Yeshua came and fulfilled all the Law in himself, there is no need any longer for the cumbersome and problematic Old Testament. I mean – all that stuff about not eating shellfish, or mixing fibres in your clothes and stoning people – we’ve got over all that now, right? In today's society, so much of what’s written in the Old Testament seems so brutal and irrelevant – what are we supposed to make of it? Wouldn’t it be better if this outdated part of the Bible would just disappear?

DON'T GIVE UP ON THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES JUST YET!​

Although this may be a view held by many believers today, it would be a terrible mistake to ignore the Old Testament, better called the Hebrew Scriptures, since they are neither passé nor redundant. Here’s why.
“All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.” (2 Tim 3:16-17)

Secondly, Jesus said, “the scripture cannot be broken” in John 10:35, and warned us: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them”, in Matthew 5:17. If Jesus thinks the Hebrew Scriptures are important, then maybe, you know, they are.
Thirdly, have you read the New Testament? It’s just as problematic as the Old Testament!
Here’s something Barack Obama said in his keynote speech at the Call to Renewal conference in June 2006:
“Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus which suggests that slavery is OK, and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount, a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own defense department would survive its application! So before we get carried away, let’s read our Bibles now. Folks haven’t been reading their Bibles!”
Although he is mocking God's word here, Obama has a point when he says “folks haven’t been reading their Bibles”, because if they did, they would find plenty of eye-watering wrath, bewilderment and awkward political incorrectness in the New Testament, and just as much outrageous grace, mercy and radical love in the Old as there is in the New. Unlike Obama, however, I believe that the Old and the New are both powerfully relevant today. There may be parts that are harder to understand than others, but when we dig deeper into those matters that trouble us, we often find that there are incredible riches of God’s character and truth to be found below the surface.

Have you ever considered why God put such challenging books as Leviticus and Deuteronomy at the beginning of his word? The Koran starts with easy, short chapters and becomes increasingly lengthy, challenging and complex, but the Bible seems to be largely the other way around. Why? Perhaps it’s a challenge to the reader – a test. There are those who will take a quick look, scrunch up their noses and turn away, but others will give it more of a chance, showing hope and trust that there is meaning and goodness in these bewildering books even if it is not immediately visible. This is what God is looking for. We see this in the way God presents himself generally – he could easily bedazzle us with his brilliance and glory, making it undeniable and inescapable that he is indeed Lord. But he doesn’t. Why? He respects our free will and choice. He loves us and wants us to love him too, voluntarily, not out of compulsion, but out of our own desire. God wants us to seek him and his words diligently, trusting all the while that he is just, wise and loving… that there are good answers to the things we don’t understand, even if it takes time to find them.
He wants us to consider that he is WORTH IT – worth the pursuit, worth the struggle and worth fighting for. Like the sun that is the perfect distance away from the earth so that we don’t freeze or burn, God cloaks himself in just enough mystery that we are neither compelled to believe him, nor is it impossible to find him. And boy, what a pearl of great price is waiting to be found by those who are willing to seek.

UNDERSTAND THE COVENANTS – THERE ARE NOT TWO BUT FIVE​

Essential in navigating the Bible is to understand the covenants in it. There are not only two covenants, but five (or even more, depending on how you count them). There was the conditional covenant given to Moses on Mount Sinai which the death and resurrection of Yeshua completed, but what about the others?

This helps us to understand why the New Covenant that Jesus introduced does not cancel the whole Old Testament, but only relates to the temporary covenant with Moses, which was very much conditional. Moses himself prophesied that it was just a matter of time before it would all be shot to dust. The people of Israel failed spectacularly, were exiled and punished, and the Mosaic law with its system of sacrifices was replaced by the ultimate, permanent sacrifice of the Messiah, once and for all. A “new and better way” to God was carved out for us in the Messiah's blood. The instructions to live in a God-honouring way were replaced by an even higher standard, with the law written in our hearts and the Holy Spirit given to help us live in the radical way of the Messiah.
However, God's promise to Noah never to flood the earth again still stands, his promises made in his covenant to Abraham were never annulled, and neither was his covenant relating to David's throne. Not only that, but the words of the Mosaic Law also remain valuable to us in helping us appreciate God's nature, his heart, and he has also woven many amazing clues about what was to come throughout the entire Torah. We have written a book on the subject called Reading Moses, Seeing Jesus. The more you study, the more you find! It's a bottomless well of fascination.
God has not reneged on his promises and gifts to Israel (since as Paul says in Romans 11, they are irrevocable) and Yeshua will come and reign on the throne of David. Where is that? Jerusalem! Just as it has been amazing to watch God fulfilling his promises to regather Israel from the nations and reestablish them in the land, so we can look forward to all the other promises that God has made to the nation of Israel coming to pass – they are our bona fide guarantee that God keeps his promises.

“THE LAW IS GOOD, IF YOU USE IT PROPERLY” 1 TIM 1:8​

It is a lifetime’s journey to learn how to understand the Bible and use it properly, but here are a couple of thoughts.

UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT​

There are arguments about whether or not to take the Bible literally, but it’s better to try and take it literarily – that is, understand what kind of literature it is, and what God is saying through it. Each word is there on purpose, but what is God’s purpose? When Jesus tells parables, he does not need us to believe that there really was a prodigal son, but he wants us to understand the heart of the father in the story he made up to explain his point. In the same way, the Bible is full of all different kinds of stories, poetry, letters, parables, songs, and the book of Job is written as a play. Of course, there is also an enormous amount of history in there that really happened. We need to see first and foremost, who these words are written to, in what context, and what kind of literature it is. When we do this, we have to face an uncomfortable fact: most of the Bible was written to and about the people of Israel. Today we have the privilege of looking over their shoulder and seeing what God said to them, and learn about what God is like through reading it, but we must accept the context of the words we are reading.

UNDERSTANDING ISRAEL IS KEY​

The Bible is not just a collection of good ideas for living and inspirational thoughts – it is real history and geography, past, present and future. Our Messiah was real. His crazy Jewish family was real. He really lived, he really died, he really rose again, and he is coming back again to a real place in real time! If we are to cut out Israel and the Jewish people from the Bible, we would have very little left – God has chosen to hang his story of redemption for all peoples on the story of his chosen people, Israel. Developing an appreciation of God's great story and how very real it is helps us to understand better how to apply his word in our days and how to read prophetic scriptures.

The Bible is a supernatural book containing prophecy and wisdom far greater than anything natural man could concoct – prophecies about the Messiah, Israel and the Middle East, and about world events.
We have the advantage of looking back and comparing the prophecies and Yeshua's life and seeing that the Bible is stunningly accurate in its predictions, and now also the privilege of seeing God's word coming to pass for Israel, but there is much more to come.
The Bible is as relevant today as it ever was – this is the time not to neglect the Scriptures, but to really get to grips with them, so that we can understand the author better, know where he says we are going, and be able to stand strong till the end in his word.

SHALOM

I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels.

 

[Complete]

No, you haven't. But you are sly to avoid the true and correct answer which from the bible states the covenants with God are between God, Abraham, and Abraham's seed and NOT with non-Hebrew Gentiles. You just don't want to confess the truth which by definition makes you a liar when you can't and won't stand up to the truth of God in Scripture. NO ONE - including YOU - can post Scripture of the three Hebrew covenants when made that include non-Hebrew Gentiles are included in any of these three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, and New.)
No one.

Hello @jeremiah1five,

'Sly!' and a 'Liar!' Those are the words you use of me,

I will stand by what I have written in previous posts, and let them be the judge of the truth of your accusations.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Administrator]

Let's follow the rules and discuss the post and the topic of the posts and not the posters. That's the reason we started this forum so people would have a safe, comfortable place to discuss their at theology. Of course we don't always agree but we can still be cordial to one another. It's in the bible.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God.

The Church of God is the Great Congregation of 3-4 million Hebrews in the desert God delivered from Egyptian bondage. The Church Christ said He promised to build began on the day of the Feast of Harvest (ca. 32 AD), when the Holy Spirit of Promise (promised only to Israel) arrived and baptized three thousand Jews into Christ's body which is the kingdom of God.
You're looking at Scripture with a Gentile mindset and with Gentile theology which isn't Christianity because first of all Gentiles unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots soon after the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple by the Romans (ca. 70 AD), and began to steal from the Hebrews everything God gave them and promised them yet future.

The Word of God belongs to the seed of Abraham. From its first prophet (Adam) to the last prophet (John the Baptist) the Hebrew Scripture is the Word of God.
Although Gentiles gathered scrolls and compiled a New Testament in the fourth century, they also set rules for what was the authentic Word of God but the authority to do so is lacking from God.

There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels.

Pure Gentile heresy.

 

[synergy]

Everything in Scripture makes a difference, even topography such as "Jesus went down to..." or "Jesus went up to..." (referring to height or depth to sea level), or even the simple use of contractions and nouns, both grammar of the original texts and copies and translations. Every jot and tittle is of exceptional meaning when studying Scripture. So, if Christ commanded the apostle to go into Gentile lands to herald His coming to Jews living there then their obedience or disobedience are lessons, we need to consider whether in Scripture or in extra-biblical texts and secular record-keeping. And the answer to the command as to whether the apostles obey is just as important as any other covenant indicator to come to the knowledge of the truth. You might gloss over such seemingly mundane points in Scripture but I don't. I prefer the whole counsel of Scripture to ascertain what I am instructed and commanded to obey and the fact of the apostles never going out into Gentile lands with the gospel to the Jews is important.

It was about twenty years before any prominent person in the bible (Peter, James, John, Saul, etc.) left to visit Jewish Christian home fellowships in Asia Minor or even outside Jerusalem. As Christian Judaizers (Peter, James, John, Saul), none wanted to go into Gentile lands. It took Saul 14-17 years before the events in Acts 113 occurred and he was directed to go into Gentile lands to herald Israel's Messiah to the Jews living there. He was their Messiah, and it was their covenant and God wanted them to know what has taken place the last thirty years (the received timeframe of Acts from chapter one to twenty-eight.) Don't be too lazy in your studies. Every time I read the bible the Lord is always revealing something new to me, I may have missed in all my readings up to that time.

That delay coincides very well with the fact that Paul only commenced writing his Epistles 20 years after the Cross. During that time of delay, it was the Greek-speaking Diaspora Jews with their Greek Septuagint that received the Gospel, were converted, and carried forward the Gospel message in Gentile lands. It was the Greek Septuagint that helped pave the way forward for Christianity to spread. When Paul finally made his rounds in Gentile lands, he still encountered Bereans who consulted the Septuagint to make sure he was legit with his proclamations. Many Gentiles were converted by Paul. There was much turmoil between Christians and Jews at that time and Rome's solution was to evicted the Jews. What remained were the Christian Gentiles.

The good news was for Jews whose descendants remained in Gentile lands and in-between when Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to their land (522 BC) and only a remnant (10% of total) did return while the majority (90% of total) of Jews remained in Gentile lands.

There is nothing in the Hebrew Scripture - NOTE: HEBREW Scripture - that records God of Abraham ever naming or calling Gentiles the national symbol of Israel which is the Olive tree. You add to the bible and there's your error. What you need is to have the Holy Spirit to study the Scripture and the stuff you believe about the Jewish Messiah and His covenant people is Gentile bias through and through. Just more theft by Gentiles stealing what belongs to Israel and stealing their National symbol is just more theft. Ever heard of Thou shalt NOT STEAL?

God has been dealing with the Hebrews for four thousand years and has three covenants with this people and all of a sudden Gentiles have replaced Israel as the apple of God's eye? More bullcrap. God's attitude towards Gentiles is that He thinks of this unclean, uncircumcised people as nothing and vanity. And God doesn't make mistakes.

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

Imagine that.

Ruth was a Moabitess and was not Abraham's seed. She was of Lot's, his nephew. Her marriage to Boaz did not grant her inclusion into the Abraham covenant.
The Old Testament does not explicitly state that a non-Israelite woman like Ruth could become part of the Abrahamic covenant solely through marriage. However, the narrative does suggest that her faith, loyalty, and connection to Boaz, a descendant of Abraham, played a significant role in her integration into the Israelite community and the fulfillment of God's promises. She was, like Gentile proselytes and God-Fearers only included in the political commonwealth of Israel and not covenant because the covenant is explicitly with Abraham and his seed and she is not his seed regardless of her marriage to Boaz who was Abraham's seed. Their children was Abraham's seed but now it becomes whether or not their seed was elect of God and heirs according to the promised just as Esau was of Abraham's seed but the promises did not go through his family. Same with Ishmael. Esau and Ishmael received great blessings of God for being his Abraham's seed but the covenant promises went through Jacob not Esau, and through Isaac not Ishmael.

Here are some key points from the text:

• Ruth's loyalty: She remained devoted to Naomi, her mother-in-law, even after her husband died. This demonstrates her faithfulness and commitment to the Israelite people.
• Ruth's faith: Her decision to seek refuge in Israel and to become a part of the community indicates her belief in God and His promises.
• Ruth's marriage: While the text doesn't explicitly state that her marriage to Boaz automatically granted her inclusion in the covenant, it does suggest that her connection to the Abrahamic lineage through Boaz was a significant factor and their children were of greater chance of being in the covenant promises.
• Ruth's descendants: Her descendants, including King David, played a crucial role in the fulfillment of God's promises to Abraham, and as we know David was chosen over his other Abrahamic seed brethren.

The narrative of Ruth suggests that her faith, loyalty, and connection to the Abrahamic lineage through marriage played a part in her integration into the Israelite community and the fulfillment of God's promises, but there is no Scripture that a non-Hebrew Gentile is brought into covenant through marriage. However, the children from a mixed heritage marriage are another question.

That's correct. Jesus was sent to fulfill the Law which indicates that His Presence as Messiah and seed of Abraham and was also elect is directly tied to the Jeremiah prophecy of a New Covenant by which God could finally and eternally save His elect people, those whose names are in the book of life of the lamb slain (Rev. 13: 8). The New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled in and by Jesus Christ, Lamb of God and Son of God in the flesh.

It doesn't say these Gentiles are in covenant with God leading a true student to study first whether these are non-Hebrew Gentiles or mixed heritage. Being "brought NEAR" does not mean being "brought IN" to the Abraham covenant. And the texts are referring to the cultural and political commonwealth of Israel, NOT covenant. There are no adoption papers in the bible that reveals God adopted non-Hebrew Gentiles into covenant with the Hebrews. I can be Mexican and be adopted into a black family but not be in the biological lineage of the black family that adopted me. Same applies to non-Hebrew Gentiles. I can be adopted by the black family and benefit from any blessings or suffer any curses that derive from such an adoption between non-similar biological family lines. Being Mexican and adopted by a black family does not make me African (if the black husband and wife are from Africa.)

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Lk 22:19–20.

Great passage showing the New Covenant is with Jewish men representing the Jewish covenant family line of Abraham. Just a bunch of Jews observing the Passover, which is a Hebrew observance, NOT a Gentile one.

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:11–13.

Brought near is NOT the same as brought IN. That much is certain. These "Gentiles in the flesh" are non-Hebrew Gentiles and NOT of the seed of Abraham. These are allied with Israel most likely as stated in political and cultural and even religious allies with Israel but NOT in covenant as Saul states correctly.
They were STILL "strangers FROM the covenants of promise." Learn to read.

The fact remains that the Gentiles are now graphted into the New Covenant through the Eucharistic Blood of Christ. The grafting of Ruth into Jesus' lineage was an OT foreshadowing. What greater honor is there than to receive the Body and Blood of Christ at the New Covenant Euchristic Supper? If your Judaizing spirit is livid about that then just promptly give him the boot.

 

[civic]

Let's follow the rules and discuss the post and the topic of the posts and not the posters. That's the reason we started this forum so people would have a safe, comfortable place to discuss their at theology. Of course we don't always agree but we can still be cordial to one another. It's in the bible.

Amen