The Old Testament: Obsolete and Embarrassing or still valid today?

[DavidTree]

I came in very late on this conversation . What is this other man trying to imply .
You are correct my friend when you also said GOD never made void His covenant , TILL , TILL what
TILL JESUS CAME and did all to complete aka to finish the works . God created all that is . The created
seem to have been given a choose ye , aka free will to choose . I mean a third of heaven fell didnt it . two thirds did not .
two thirds chose right , a third chose wrong .
But moving on from that point lets return to the point at hand . As i wrote earlier in this conversation
i came in late and thus i have no idea what this other man is saying .
SO lets just establish a fact . WHAT DOES GOD DESIRE . for man to OBEY HIS VOICE , to obey HIM .
What did moses do , who did moses beleive . Moses did what GOD said because moses BELIEVED GOD .
even when he had the people to sprinkle the blood of lambs , NOT THE LAMB , but lambs
upon their doors . GOD didnt change squat about that convenant HE gave to moses .
As far as abraham , it even says abraham kept THE LAW OF GOD . Abraham OBEYED because abraham BELIEVED .
That covenant GOD made with MOSES to give to the people , that law
the offering up of blood and etc , That law , that blood , was a covenenat all right
But that law and that blood , DUE TO THE FLESH OF MAN , you know us as in we fall short
was brought on for a reason . The reason GOD gave that law , that covenant
was because of TRANSGRESSION TILL THE PROMISE CAME . you see BLOOD , blood can make a remission for sins
BUT the ONLY BLOOD that can really reach the conscious of man , THAT BLOOD Would come later .
TILL it did Israel was given a covenant . NOW the law itself , the righteousness part of it
was never made void . GOD always has desired the people to OBEY HIM . the sacrfices that covered sins
because of trangressions , BUT COULD NOT CLEANSE THE INNER MAN AND CHANGE HIS CONSCIOUS
that other sacrfices became OBSOLETE . ONCE JESUS DID ALL THAT WAS REQUIRED , EVEN OFFERING UP
his own self , HIS OWN BLOOD . a NEW COVENANT WAS MADE . JESUS DID IT . OH HE DID IT ALL RIGHT .
But as far as the covenant GOD gave to moses or etc , THAT NEVER CHANGED , if this man is trying to imply
there was a third or another convenant to replace that original , Before JESUS came , I WOULD NOT HEED a word out of his mouth .
SOMETHING aint right .

There is an attempt being made by saying that God VOIDED the covenant when Moses came down and they were worshipping the golden calf.

Yet we SEE that the LORD never voided "the covenant by which HE led them out of Egypt" UNTIL Christ came and FINISHED It.

@Studyman is using Deuteronomy 9:12-14 as the reason for his assessment along with Jeremiah 7:22

God only "DIREGARDED them" but not the 'first' covenant = Deuteronomy 9:12-14

"Then the Lord said to me, ‘Arise, go down quickly from here, for your people whom you brought out of Egypt have acted corruptly; they have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them; they have made themselves a molded image.’
“Furthermore the Lord spoke to me, saying, ‘I have seen this people, and indeed they are a stiff-necked people.
Let Me alone, that I may destroy them and blot out their name from under heaven; and I will make of you a nation mightier and greater than they.’

Scripture declares that the LORD did not void his covenant at all, but only the people who rebelled = Hebrews 8:7-9

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them,
He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them,
says the Lord.

TRUTH 111: God NEVER voided His covenant that began at the FIRST passover in Egypt under Moses - UNTIL - the Second Covenant came and walked this earth,
fulfilling prophecy/law by being "the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world".

 

[Peterlag]

That's right. And salvation is of the Jews - NOT Gentiles.

There are no Jews in the body of Christ.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[TomL]

Messianic Jews (Hebrews) 8:13
By using the term"new," he has made the first covenant "old"; and something being made old, something in the
process of aging, is on its way to vanishing altogether. Complete Messianic Jewish Version.

8:13 By using the term, "new" he has made the first covenant "old." Is one to infer that the Jewish holidays,
Shabbat, kashrut, civil laws, and moral laws of the Mosaic Covenant are on the verge of vanishing altogether?
NO! The Mosaic Covenant presents itself as eternal. The "old" Torah continues, and continues to have its same
purpose, but there is now a new High Priesthood introduced.

Seems counterintuitive that is contrary to the text

 

[DavidTree]

You and your false accusations with no cause or merit. I ignore nothing in my Messianic Jewish Bible.

@koberstein

Let us compare the NKJV to the World Messianic Bible(WMB)

Acts 13:34-41 NKJV
For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw corruption; but He whom God raised up saw no corruption. Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things
from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you:

‘Behold, you despisers,
Marvel and perish!
For I work a work in your days,
A work which you will by no means believe,
Though one were to declare it to you.’ ”

Acts 13:34-41 World Messianic Bible
“Concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he has spoken thus: ‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings of David.’* Therefore he says also in another psalm, ‘You will not allow your Holy One to see decay.’* For David, after he had in his own generation served the counsel of God, fell asleep, was laid with his fathers, and saw decay. But he whom God raised up saw no decay. Be it known to you therefore, brothers,† that through this man is proclaimed to you remission of sins; and
by him everyone who believes is justified from all things,
from which you could not be justified by the Torah of Moses.
Beware therefore, lest that come on you which is spoken in the Prophets:
‘Behold, you scoffers!
Wonder and perish,
for I work a work in your days,
a work which you will in no way believe, if one declares it to you.’ ”

Is this TRUE???

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

@koberstein

Let us compare the NKJV to the World Messianic Bible(WMB)

Acts 13:34-41 NKJV
For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw corruption; but He whom God raised up saw no corruption. Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things
from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you:

‘Behold, you despisers,
Marvel and perish!
For I work a work in your days,
A work which you will by no means believe,
Though one were to declare it to you.’ ”

Acts 13:34-41 World Messianic Bible
“Concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he has spoken thus: ‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings of David.’* Therefore he says also in another psalm, ‘You will not allow your Holy One to see decay.’* For David, after he had in his own generation served the counsel of God, fell asleep, was laid with his fathers, and saw decay. But he whom God raised up saw no decay. Be it known to you therefore, brothers,† that through this man is proclaimed to you remission of sins; and
by him everyone who believes is justified from all things,
from which you could not be justified by the Torah of Moses.
Beware therefore, lest that come on you which is spoken in the Prophets:
‘Behold, you scoffers!
Wonder and perish,
for I work a work in your days,
a work which you will in no way believe, if one declares it to you.’ ”

Is this TRUE???

Every Word of it be true .
The problem with man is not the bible . Man is the problem .
What i have noticed in many within christendom is
While ever word in that Bible is TRUTH and meant for our good , Many hadrather sit under
concepts of men that do twist and do omit certain things .
Now the why is real simple . Certain things in that bible get in the way of what they desired .
So lets recreate another image of GOD sayeth the heart of man , one that serves our flesh AND gives us salvation .
PS . that one CANNOT save , it cannot give salvation . For its NOT GOD OR HIS CHRIST .
A man or woman who sits under a jesus and a god that accepts sins , calls any sin good , IT AINT GOD and it AINT CHRIST .
Its the devil usingthat name to serve the lusts of men and to decieve the decieved . Hims has many co workers too .
So lets recap . If ya jesus is holding hundred dollah bills and promotes the prosperity gospel , YA , IT AINT JESUS ya loved
ITS MONEY . If ya jesus is holding a dark rainbow and has called ya sin good and love , IT AINT JESUS
it aint OF GOD .
Too many want to recreate a version , an image if you will , OF GOD that sure seems to accept sins
Well though it cries ye have salvation , IT LIES . Cause neither the FATHER NOR THE SON be a minstir of sin .

 

[Studyman]

There is an attempt being made by saying that God VOIDED the covenant when Moses came down and they were worshipping the golden calf.

Yet we SEE that the LORD never voided "the covenant by which HE led them out of Egypt" UNTIL Christ came and FINISHED It.
@Studyman is using Deuteronomy 9:12-14 as the reason for his assessment along with Jeremiah 7:22

The point of your question to me pertained to Melchizedek and Hebrews speaking to the Levitical Priesthood.

"Please share what you are promoting as i am intrigued by Melchizedek and the Book of Hebrews."

I pointed out the Biblical Truth, that the Levitical Priesthood Covenant concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin wasn't given to Israel, or as Paul teaches, wasn't "ADDED" until after the golden calf, (Transgression). You incorrectly associated Passover as part of the Levitical Priesthood sacrifices spoken of in Hebrews, that changed.

"In FACT, God did instruct them to sacrifice just as you noted: exodus/passover lambs, one for EACH household, to be sacrificed and it's blood placed on the both sides of the door(doorposts) and the lintle(top of door) = forming the shape of 'the Cross'".

I pointed out the differences between the Temporary Priesthood Covenant that Hebrews speaks to, which included burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins, AKA, the Levitical Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", which was not given to Israel in the day that God led them out of Egypt, but was "ADDED" later, and the Everlasting Covenant God made with Abraham which included the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.

The "First covenant" that Hebrews speaks to, included the Levitical Priesthood, the Temple, Show Bread, etc. Therefore, your interpretation of the 3 words translated in English, "In the Day", is not the same as God's, certainly where Hebrews is concerned.

Passover has nothing to do with the Levitical Priesthood burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins. But is part of the Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek". Hebrews only spoke of Passover once, and not to show it became old and was ready to vanish. I posted God's Word which pointed this out as well, but you ignored them. Jeremiah confirms this understanding, but you don't believe him.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

God only "DIREGARDED them" but not the 'first' covenant = Deuteronomy 9:12-14

Yes, they were no longer in a covenant with God. Remember, God showed them forgiveness of their sins before the great transgression of the idolatry of creating an image of God in the likeness of a man or a calf. But in Ex. 32, there was no longer forgiveness.

"Then the Lord said to me, ‘Arise, go down quickly from here, for your people whom you brought out of Egypt have acted corruptly; they have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them; they have made themselves a molded image.’
“Furthermore the Lord spoke to me, saying, ‘I have seen this people, and indeed they are a stiff-necked people.
Let Me alone, that I may destroy them and blot out their name from under heaven; and I will make of you a nation mightier and greater than they.’

Scripture declares that the LORD did not void his covenant at all, but only the people who rebelled = Hebrews 8:7-9

Of course, God didn't discard the obedient, and the children of the tribe of Levi repented. Nevertheless, Moses had to go back up to God for another 40 days and 40 nights, to secure atonement that they had, but lost, for the Children of Israel. God gave them the same Laws, but ADDED Priesthood "Works" that were not included prior to that. This is when the Levitical Priesthood burnt offerings and sacrifices for Sin, that Jeremiah said was not given to Israel prior to this, was "ADDED". And it was this Priesthood that changed, as Hebrews tells us.

"If therefore perfection were "by the Levitical priesthood", (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

In the New Covenant that "GOD" Promised, we don't have to go find a Levite Priest to receive God's Laws or forgiveness, we are under a New Priesthood, "After the Order of Melchizedek".

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them,
He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them,
says the Lord.

TRUTH 111: God NEVER voided His covenant that began at the FIRST passover in Egypt under Moses

I never said or even implied that God Voided HIS Covenant. I'm saying that after the Golden calf, Israel was no longer under it. And Moses had to go back up to God, for another 40 days and 40 nights. What came out of this trip up to God, is considered by Hebrews as the "First Covenant".

Heb. 9: 1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

Truth, if Moses had not interceded on Israel's behalf, God would have wiped Israel out, and there would have been only Caleb, Joshua, Moses and Aaron, and their families which remained in a covenant with God.

- UNTIL - the Second Covenant came and walked this earth,
fulfilling prophecy/law by being "the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world".

God's Passover Covenant is here for as long as humans exist. I never even implied that God's Priesthood Covenant "After the Order of Melchizedek" ever became void.

The reason this is important, is because the deceiver, who comes in Christ's Name, would have us believe God's LAWS Statutes and Judgments were abolished by Jesus. But when a person reads what is actually written, Jesus teaches not to even "Think" of such a thing.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

There is an attempt being made by saying that God VOIDED the covenant when Moses came down and they were worshipping the golden calf.

Yet we SEE that the LORD never voided "the covenant by which HE led them out of Egypt" UNTIL Christ came and FINISHED It.

@Studyman is using Deuteronomy 9:12-14 as the reason for his assessment along with Jeremiah 7:22

God only "DIREGARDED them" but not the 'first' covenant = Deuteronomy 9:12-14

"Then the Lord said to me, ‘Arise, go down quickly from here, for your people whom you brought out of Egypt have acted corruptly; they have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them; they have made themselves a molded image.’
“Furthermore the Lord spoke to me, saying, ‘I have seen this people, and indeed they are a stiff-necked people.
Let Me alone, that I may destroy them and blot out their name from under heaven; and I will make of you a nation mightier and greater than they.’

Scripture declares that the LORD did not void his covenant at all, but only the people who rebelled = Hebrews 8:7-9

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them,
He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them,
says the Lord.

TRUTH 111: God NEVER voided His covenant that began at the FIRST passover in Egypt under Moses - UNTIL - the Second Covenant came and walked this earth,
fulfilling prophecy/law by being "the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world".

Oh , i see my friend . You wrote there is an attempt being made to say GOD made void that covenant BEFORE JESUS CAME .
Then i make this attempt to remind you , DONT HEED such a voice my friend .
Men will believe what so ever their heart desires
Lambs wiill beleive TRUTH . And the TRUTH is GOD did not void his original covenant HE gave to Moses
on the Day HE lead them out of Eypgt . That did not occur , TILL JESUS FULLFILLED .
God was wroth with the people andwould have destroyedthem , but moses interceded .
GOD did not make void THAT COVENANT , Rather HE was about to make void that people .
But Moses stood to intercede on thier behalf .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

The point of your question to me pertained to Melchizedek and Hebrews speaking to the Levitical Priesthood.



I pointed out the Biblical Truth, that the Levitical Priesthood Covenant concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin wasn't given to Israel, or as Paul teaches, wasn't "ADDED" until after the golden calf, (Transgression). You incorrectly associated Passover as part of the Levitical Priesthood sacrifices spoken of in Hebrews, that changed.



I pointed out the differences between the Temporary Priesthood Covenant that Hebrews speaks to, which included burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins, AKA, the Levitical Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", which was not given to Israel in the day that God led them out of Egypt, but was "ADDED" later, and the Everlasting Covenant God made with Abraham which included the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.

The "First covenant" that Hebrews speaks to, included the Levitical Priesthood, the Temple, Show Bread, etc. Therefore, your interpretation of the 3 words translated in English, "In the Day", is not the same as God's, certainly where Hebrews is concerned.

Passover has nothing to do with the Levitical Priesthood burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins. But is part of the Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek". Hebrews only spoke of Passover once, and not to show it became old and was ready to vanish. I posted God's Word which pointed this out as well, but you ignored them. Jeremiah confirms this understanding, but you don't believe him.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.



Yes, they were no longer in a covenant with God. Remember, God showed them forgiveness of their sins before the great transgression of the idolatry of creating an image of God in the likeness of a man or a calf. But in Ex. 32, there was no longer forgiveness.




Of course, God didn't discard the obedient, and the children of the tribe of Levi repented. Nevertheless, Moses had to go back up to God for another 40 days and 40 nights, to secure atonement that they had, but lost, for the Children of Israel. God gave them the same Laws, but ADDED Priesthood "Works" that were not included prior to that. This is when the Levitical Priesthood burnt offerings and sacrifices for Sin, that Jeremiah said was not given to Israel prior to this, was "ADDED". And it was this Priesthood that changed, as Hebrews tells us.

"If therefore perfection were "by the Levitical priesthood", (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

In the New Covenant that "GOD" Promised, we don't have to go find a Levite Priest to receive God's Laws or forgiveness, we are under a New Priesthood, "After the Order of Melchizedek".



I never said or even implied that God Voided HIS Covenant. I'm saying that after the Golden calf, Israel was no longer under it. And Moses had to go back up to God, for another 40 days and 40 nights. What came out of this trip up to God, is considered by Hebrews as the "First Covenant".

Heb. 9: 1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

Truth, if Moses had not interceded on Israel's behalf, God would have wiped Israel out, and there would have been only Caleb, Joshua, Moses and Aaron, and their families which remained in a covenant with God.






God's Passover Covenant is here for as long as humans exist. I never even implied that God's Priesthood Covenant "After the Order of Melchizedek" ever became void.

The reason this is important, is because the deceiver, who comes in Christ's Name, would have us believe God's LAWS Statutes and Judgments were abolished by Jesus. But when a person reads what is actually written, Jesus teaches not to even "Think" of such a thing.

Anyone who tries to turn JESUS , GOD, into the minstir of sin is already decieved .
Notice the two covenants . the law was first put on stone . written and engraven on stone .
But where Did GOD desire this , ON THE INWARD heart of man .
SO if any hollers a grace that makes void the law , DONT HEED THEM . For the righteousness of the law
the true agape love HE sheds upon our hearts do fullfill the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law .
In other words , no love that cometh of GOD would ever desire or even accept SIN .
SO if ones JESUS is calling evil good and good evil , you know like maybe holdinga rainbow
or some other sin . IT AINT JESUS , IT AINT GOD , ITS the devil cloaked in wool using his own minsitirs and their own dung doctrines
to feed this people poison under guise its love .
That ol serpent dont sleep pardner . And hims loves the worship .
And how do satan get the worship , well lets see what paul wrote on that .
we all had our conversation with him through the lusts of the flesh . SINS pardner .
SO if ya jesus is holding up love that money , or dark rainbows , or kissing korans and budda statues
saying things like all religoins are coming to GOD in their own way , RUN LIKE HECK the other way from these men of belial .
GOD honors no other religion , no other gods , NO SIN . if our god or our christ does ,
THEN KNOW and understand why i did not captilize that god or christ , causes its the dark one and the spirit of anti christ .
WE better darn sure also be reminding all of the aboslute dire necessity to believe on JESUS THE CHRIST or perish .
We just need to make sure its JESUS we preach and not another jesus or another etc . BIBLE TIME .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Do we then make void the law through grace , GOD forbid yea we establish the law . the righteousness of the law
itself is fullfilled by agape love that comes of GOD .
Thus any love that dont rejoice IN TRUTH but rather in sins , in inquities in a lie . YEAH IT AINT OF GOD , its of the world and darkness .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

The point of your question to me pertained to Melchizedek and Hebrews speaking to the Levitical Priesthood.



I pointed out the Biblical Truth, that the Levitical Priesthood Covenant concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin wasn't given to Israel, or as Paul teaches, wasn't "ADDED" until after the golden calf, (Transgression). You incorrectly associated Passover as part of the Levitical Priesthood sacrifices spoken of in Hebrews, that changed.



I pointed out the differences between the Temporary Priesthood Covenant that Hebrews speaks to, which included burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins, AKA, the Levitical Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", which was not given to Israel in the day that God led them out of Egypt, but was "ADDED" later, and the Everlasting Covenant God made with Abraham which included the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.

The "First covenant" that Hebrews speaks to, included the Levitical Priesthood, the Temple, Show Bread, etc. Therefore, your interpretation of the 3 words translated in English, "In the Day", is not the same as God's, certainly where Hebrews is concerned.

Passover has nothing to do with the Levitical Priesthood burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins. But is part of the Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek". Hebrews only spoke of Passover once, and not to show it became old and was ready to vanish. I posted God's Word which pointed this out as well, but you ignored them. Jeremiah confirms this understanding, but you don't believe him.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.



Yes, they were no longer in a covenant with God. Remember, God showed them forgiveness of their sins before the great transgression of the idolatry of creating an image of God in the likeness of a man or a calf. But in Ex. 32, there was no longer forgiveness.




Of course, God didn't discard the obedient, and the children of the tribe of Levi repented. Nevertheless, Moses had to go back up to God for another 40 days and 40 nights, to secure atonement that they had, but lost, for the Children of Israel. God gave them the same Laws, but ADDED Priesthood "Works" that were not included prior to that. This is when the Levitical Priesthood burnt offerings and sacrifices for Sin, that Jeremiah said was not given to Israel prior to this, was "ADDED". And it was this Priesthood that changed, as Hebrews tells us.

"If therefore perfection were "by the Levitical priesthood", (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

In the New Covenant that "GOD" Promised, we don't have to go find a Levite Priest to receive God's Laws or forgiveness, we are under a New Priesthood, "After the Order of Melchizedek".



I never said or even implied that God Voided HIS Covenant. I'm saying that after the Golden calf, Israel was no longer under it. And Moses had to go back up to God, for another 40 days and 40 nights. What came out of this trip up to God, is considered by Hebrews as the "First Covenant".

Heb. 9: 1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

Truth, if Moses had not interceded on Israel's behalf, God would have wiped Israel out, and there would have been only Caleb, Joshua, Moses and Aaron, and their families which remained in a covenant with God.






God's Passover Covenant is here for as long as humans exist. I never even implied that God's Priesthood Covenant "After the Order of Melchizedek" ever became void.

The reason this is important, is because the deceiver, who comes in Christ's Name, would have us believe God's LAWS Statutes and Judgments were abolished by Jesus. But when a person reads what is actually written, Jesus teaches not to even "Think" of such a thing.

Too many have turned to another jesus , another image of what they think be GOD and love .
Doing all to turn jesus into the minsitir of whatsoever sin they do love .
WONT bode well on the day of judgment for them . THEY NEVER KNEW HIM . JESUS IS NOT the minstir of sin
HE came to set us free FROM SIN , not to feel free IN SIN OR TO SIN . folks better watch out .

 

[DavidTree]

Every Word of it be true .
The problem with man is not the bible . Man is the problem .
What i have noticed in many within christendom is
While ever word in that Bible is TRUTH and meant for our good , Many hadrather sit under
concepts of men that do twist and do omit certain things .
Now the why is real simple . Certain things in that bible get in the way of what they desired .
So lets recreate another image of GOD sayeth the heart of man , one that serves our flesh AND gives us salvation .
PS . that one CANNOT save , it cannot give salvation . For its NOT GOD OR HIS CHRIST .
A man or woman who sits under a jesus and a god that accepts sins , calls any sin good , IT AINT GOD and it AINT CHRIST .
Its the devil usingthat name to serve the lusts of men and to decieve the decieved . Hims has many co workers too .
So lets recap . If ya jesus is holding hundred dollah bills and promotes the prosperity gospel , YA , IT AINT JESUS ya loved
ITS MONEY . If ya jesus is holding a dark rainbow and has called ya sin good and love , IT AINT JESUS
it aint OF GOD .
Too many want to recreate a version , an image if you will , OF GOD that sure seems to accept sins
Well though it cries ye have salvation , IT LIES . Cause neither the FATHER NOR THE SON be a minstir of sin .

Our hearts are desperately wicked and only God can preserve us from sin when we submit to His words and His Holy Spirit.

Proverbs 29:25 - The fear of man brings a snare, But whoever trusts in the LORD shall be safe

Question: What exactly is the fear of man in modern day christianity?

Answer: PARTIALITY = respect of persons

Proverbs 24:23 - These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment.

This is the sin/hinderance to Truth that taints christian's ability to think STRAIGHT, in every denomination and in MOST churches here in the USA


Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written,
so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.


Oh how the christian's love partiality!!!

Example: Doctor of divinity (any name) says, blah blah blah...........and they believe him/her against "It is written".

This is arrogance in christianity and it is antichrist

 

[DavidTree]

The point of your question to me pertained to Melchizedek and Hebrews speaking to the Levitical Priesthood.



I pointed out the Biblical Truth, that the Levitical Priesthood Covenant concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin wasn't given to Israel, or as Paul teaches, wasn't "ADDED" until after the golden calf, (Transgression). You incorrectly associated Passover as part of the Levitical Priesthood sacrifices spoken of in Hebrews, that changed.



I pointed out the differences between the Temporary Priesthood Covenant that Hebrews speaks to, which included burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins, AKA, the Levitical Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", which was not given to Israel in the day that God led them out of Egypt, but was "ADDED" later, and the Everlasting Covenant God made with Abraham which included the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.

The "First covenant" that Hebrews speaks to, included the Levitical Priesthood, the Temple, Show Bread, etc. Therefore, your interpretation of the 3 words translated in English, "In the Day", is not the same as God's, certainly where Hebrews is concerned.

Passover has nothing to do with the Levitical Priesthood burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins. But is part of the Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek". Hebrews only spoke of Passover once, and not to show it became old and was ready to vanish. I posted God's Word which pointed this out as well, but you ignored them. Jeremiah confirms this understanding, but you don't believe him.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.



Yes, they were no longer in a covenant with God. Remember, God showed them forgiveness of their sins before the great transgression of the idolatry of creating an image of God in the likeness of a man or a calf. But in Ex. 32, there was no longer forgiveness.




Of course, God didn't discard the obedient, and the children of the tribe of Levi repented. Nevertheless, Moses had to go back up to God for another 40 days and 40 nights, to secure atonement that they had, but lost, for the Children of Israel. God gave them the same Laws, but ADDED Priesthood "Works" that were not included prior to that. This is when the Levitical Priesthood burnt offerings and sacrifices for Sin, that Jeremiah said was not given to Israel prior to this, was "ADDED". And it was this Priesthood that changed, as Hebrews tells us.

"If therefore perfection were "by the Levitical priesthood", (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

In the New Covenant that "GOD" Promised, we don't have to go find a Levite Priest to receive God's Laws or forgiveness, we are under a New Priesthood, "After the Order of Melchizedek".



I never said or even implied that God Voided HIS Covenant. I'm saying that after the Golden calf, Israel was no longer under it. And Moses had to go back up to God, for another 40 days and 40 nights. What came out of this trip up to God, is considered by Hebrews as the "First Covenant".

Heb. 9: 1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

Truth, if Moses had not interceded on Israel's behalf, God would have wiped Israel out, and there would have been only Caleb, Joshua, Moses and Aaron, and their families which remained in a covenant with God.






God's Passover Covenant is here for as long as humans exist. I never even implied that God's Priesthood Covenant "After the Order of Melchizedek" ever became void.

The reason this is important, is because the deceiver, who comes in Christ's Name, would have us believe God's LAWS Statutes and Judgments were abolished by Jesus. But when a person reads what is actually written, Jesus teaches not to even "Think" of such a thing.

Another full page....................

i am INTRIGUED by Melchizedek but we never could get their TOGETHER because of you attempting to CHANGE = "It is written" concerning the TWO covenants that God made with the Jewish People

ONLY Two Covenants made by God with the Jewish People pertaining to Salvation in Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach

Carefully Read the Holy Scripture EVIDENCE in Posts 201, 204 and 211

There is ONLY ONE SHALOM that can SAVE you = "HE is our Peace who has broken down the middle wall(old law)" - Eph2:14

if you attempt to please G'd by the first covenant(which no one could keep/obey) you will be LOST FOREVER

if you attempt to make the first covenant as BINDING to the NEW COVENANT and lure souls into that deception, you will suffer Eternal Fire FOREVER

It is written in the old law: "whoever works on the sabbath will be PUT to DEATH = Exodus 31:12-17

It is written in the NEW Law of HaMashiach = "Come to ME and I will give you REST"

@jeremiah1five , @koberstein , @civic , @Johann , @Administrator

Our SHALOM is only Found in Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach = the LORD Jesus Christ and His Covenant of Righteousness

 

[jeremiah1five]

There are no Jews in the body of Christ.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

First, three thousand Jews were born again on their Feast of Harvests (Acts 2) and were the foundation of the Church Jesus Promised to build, and He populated it with Jews. Why not? He was the fulfillment of covenant and prophecies God gave to His people Israel.

Second, Saul is addressing Jewish Christians who were concerned about their standing in the Abraham Covenant now that they were Christ followers. Pay attention to the context. Here it is for the hundredth time for those who can't read or want to inject their own beliefs into the Word of God:

Writing to Jewish Christians Saul says:

23 But before faith came, we [JEWS] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [JEWS] schoolmaster to bring us [JEWS] unto Christ, that we [JEWS] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [JEWS] are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye [JEWS] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [JEWS] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [JEWS] be Christ’s, then are ye [still JEWS and still] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal. 3:23–29.

Gentiles were never under the Law (schoolmaster), and the part about "children of God through faith"? The children of God who were under the schoolmaster (Law) were the children of Israel.
And knowing Saul was a rabbi and wrote like a rabbi utilizing rabbinical thought into his writing/arguments the way a rabbi debated issues Saul addressed the rabbinical idea - their belief, really - when they prayed to God would utter, "Lord, I thank thee I was not born a Gentile, and a woman, and a slave", but Saul destroys that theology of the religious order by saying, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Look it up. It's Jewish rabbinical history and part of the religious order culture.

Let me help you:

The prayer is part of a set of daily blessings known as the Birkat HaShachar or "Blessings of the Morning." These blessings express gratitude for various aspects of one's life.

One of these blessings thanks God for not being born a Gentile, a woman, or a slave. This prayer reflects the societal and historical context in which it was written. In ancient and medieval Jewish society, these groups were often considered inferior or marginalized.

However, it's important to note that the prayer has been subject to much debate and criticism in recent centuries. Many scholars and religious leaders have argued that it is discriminatory and offensive. They point out that it perpetuates harmful stereotypes and reinforces a hierarchical view of society.

Today, many Jewish communities have chosen to modify or omit this blessing from their daily prayers. While it remains a part of traditional Jewish liturgy, its meaning and significance are constantly being re-evaluated.

But t the Jewish Christian, Saul's words in Galatian 3 23-29 destroys that theology.

Get a clue.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Too many have turned to another jesus , another image of what they think be GOD and love .
Doing all to turn jesus into the minsitir of whatsoever sin they do love .
WONT bode well on the day of judgment for them . THEY NEVER KNEW HIM . JESUS IS NOT the minstir of sin
HE came to set us free FROM SIN , not to feel free IN SIN OR TO SIN . folks better watch out .

 

[praise_yeshua]

And the Hebrews in Jerusalem were using what? The Septuagint? No, they were not using that. They had the original texts of the Hebrew Scripture in scrolls. Jesus quoted Isaiah 61 out of their original Hebrew texts. The first Jews that was baptized into the Jewish Church Jesus promised to build became Christians, and this occurred daily in the thousands throughout the Roman Empire because it was Jews that returned to their homes and synagogues after visiting Jerusalem for their Feast of Harvest.

1. Then where are their derivative? If they were so widely used, then there would be proto-Hebrew manuscripts somewhere.
2. Jesus quoted the Greek source of Isaiah 61. There is no "recovery of sight to the blind" in the MT.

Your narrative fails.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Another full page....................

i am INTRIGUED by Melchizedek but we never could get their TOGETHER because of you attempting to CHANGE = "It is written" concerning the TWO covenants that God made with the Jewish People

ONLY Two Covenants made by God with the Jewish People pertaining to Salvation in Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach

Carefully Read the Holy Scripture EVIDENCE in Posts 201, 204 and 211

There is ONLY ONE SHALOM that can SAVE you = "HE is our Peace who has broken down the middle wall(old law)" - Eph2:14

if you attempt to please G'd by the first covenant(which no one could keep/obey) you will be LOST FOREVER

if you attempt to make the first covenant as BINDING to the NEW COVENANT and lure souls into that deception, you will suffer Eternal Fire FOREVER

It is written in the old law: "whoever works on the sabbath will be PUT to DEATH = Exodus 31:12-17

It is written in the NEW Law of HaMashiach = "Come to ME and I will give you REST"

@jeremiah1five , @koberstein , @civic , @Johann , @Administrator

Our SHALOM is only Found in Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach = the LORD Jesus Christ and His Covenant of Righteousness

Point to Christ JESUS till the last breath my friend . The one true gospel is under attack big time my friend .
YOU keep pointingtoo JESUS the CHRIST and keep reminding all of the absolute DIRE , DIRE NEED to BELIEVE HE IS THE CHRIST
that gospel . ya brother smells something and it do stink . I know this inclusive lovey do false hope gospel
has infiltrated every realm and it will give out a false hope my friend and a way we can attain etc ourselves . You just keep
preaching JESUS the CHRIST .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Our hearts are desperately wicked and only God can preserve us from sin when we submit to His words and His Holy Spirit.

Proverbs 29:25 - The fear of man brings a snare, But whoever trusts in the LORD shall be safe

Question: What exactly is the fear of man in modern day christianity?

Answer: PARTIALITY = respect of persons

Proverbs 24:23 - These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment.

This is the sin/hinderance to Truth that taints christian's ability to think STRAIGHT, in every denomination and in MOST churches here in the USA


Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written,
so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.


Oh how the christian's love partiality!!!

Example: Doctor of divinity (any name) says, blah blah blah...........and they believe him/her against "It is written".

This is arrogance in christianity and it is antichrist

I have to admit , my friend , i got a bit worried about something i noticed after i got back from working .
I seen two responses i made but you did not notice or etc .
Now david , if you think , even think i might be in error on something
or etc , We has gotta say something . What i mean is , I KNOW how the enemy works david
i know how he works . He cometh to pit and to divide .
If you see something , i dont care what it is , If you think maybe something i said is off
YOU let me KNOW and know fast . this way it can be cleared up fast . Now david
what did you notice in them posts you did not respond too or etc .
Did you see anything that perhaps you thought might have been off and thus its why you didnt respond or etc .
The enemy has infiltrated every denomination known to man within christendom .
INCLUDING the big messianc one and etc . THEY BEEN infiltrated david . EVERY group known to man has been .
That dont mean every church has , But it do mean EVERY denomination has indeed been long infiltratred .
Its just perhaps not everyone in said denomination or etc is under its guise . BUT MANY MANY MANY ARE .
David . WE GOTS TO BIBLE UP . now when i say BIBLE up , i mean we gots to return to it and read it
for ourselves and not through a teachers lens . WE GOTS to read it for us . for us david . its infiltrated everything now .
The koine greek , the etc , the hebrew movment , ALL of them .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

There is an attempt being made by saying that God VOIDED the covenant when Moses came down and they were worshipping the golden calf.

Yet we SEE that the LORD never voided "the covenant by which HE led them out of Egypt" UNTIL Christ came and FINISHED It.

@Studyman is using Deuteronomy 9:12-14 as the reason for his assessment along with Jeremiah 7:22

God only "DIREGARDED them" but not the 'first' covenant = Deuteronomy 9:12-14

"Then the Lord said to me, ‘Arise, go down quickly from here, for your people whom you brought out of Egypt have acted corruptly; they have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them; they have made themselves a molded image.’
“Furthermore the Lord spoke to me, saying, ‘I have seen this people, and indeed they are a stiff-necked people.
Let Me alone, that I may destroy them and blot out their name from under heaven; and I will make of you a nation mightier and greater than they.’

Scripture declares that the LORD did not void his covenant at all, but only the people who rebelled = Hebrews 8:7-9

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them,
He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them,
says the Lord.

TRUTH 111: God NEVER voided His covenant that began at the FIRST passover in Egypt under Moses - UNTIL - the Second Covenant came and walked this earth,
fulfilling prophecy/law by being "the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world".

David put on the spiritual sniffer my friend . I think its far worse than that my friend .
Far worse than even that . THE enemy has come to merge and MERGE HE WILL DO all that are not in the lambs book of life .
Some have the gift of spiritual discernement . I think its time we start asking the basic questions again my friend .
I THINKS we got folks amongst us that wanna beleive in this other go spell lovey stuff covenant junk .
Now since folks dont usually respond to me , you gonna have to be the one that asks the questoins .
Yes david , its on you my friend . You gots to ask that person the RIGHT question .
I am deeply worried you wont like the answer either . ME THINKS this world is ripe and big time ready
for another who has come in his own name my friend . TO UNITE and TO MERGE the decieved to be as one
and BELIEF and beliefs , aka DOCTRINE , IT AINT GONNA MATTER , just find common ground crap and etc is all that will matter to them .
This brother is deeply worried david . very troubled . sorry that i am typing about myself in a kind of third person way .
BUT DARN , this junk has infiltrated everything i am just so darn worn out with seeing it .
You need to ask the question that is begging to be asked . Ask that man What HE beleives
about those who DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST but somehow follow the torah and etc .
YOU MIGHT WEEP at his answer . You might . but let me leave us with this reminder .
IF any truly heard moses and torah , THEY HAD BELEIVED ON JESUS THE CHRIST of WHOM BOTH THE PROPHETS and TORAH spoke of ....
BUT I JUST BET this wont be the case . YOU ASK , cause folks dont talk to me my friend . I guess i keep it too simple . too much
of my focus must be on THE REAL JESUS THE CHRIST and all THINGS HE and the apostels taught . and folks DONT LIKE That .

 

[DavidTree]

I have to admit , my friend , i got a bit worried about something i noticed after i got back from working .
I seen two responses i made but you did not notice or etc .
Now david , if you think , even think i might be in error on something
or etc , We has gotta say something . What i mean is , I KNOW how the enemy works david
i know how he works . He cometh to pit and to divide .
If you see something , i dont care what it is , If you think maybe something i said is off
YOU let me KNOW and know fast . this way it can be cleared up fast . Now david
what did you notice in them posts you did not respond too or etc .
Did you see anything that perhaps you thought might have been off and thus its why you didnt respond or etc .
The enemy has infiltrated every denomination known to man within christendom .
INCLUDING the big messianc one and etc . THEY BEEN infiltrated david . EVERY group known to man has been .
That dont mean every church has , But it do mean EVERY denomination has indeed been long infiltratred .
Its just perhaps not everyone in said denomination or etc is under its guise . BUT MANY MANY MANY ARE .
David . WE GOTS TO BIBLE UP . now when i say BIBLE up , i mean we gots to return to it and read it
for ourselves and not through a teachers lens . WE GOTS to read it for us . for us david . its infiltrated everything now .
The koine greek , the etc , the hebrew movment , ALL of them .

i did not notice, but then maybe i did not read all your posts

Let me know which one(s) AND i am in full agreement with you that we can BOTH check our posts against the Word to make sure we are both SEEING according to God's Heart and Truth

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Another full page....................

i am INTRIGUED by Melchizedek but we never could get their TOGETHER because of you attempting to CHANGE = "It is written" concerning the TWO covenants that God made with the Jewish People

ONLY Two Covenants made by God with the Jewish People pertaining to Salvation in Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach

Carefully Read the Holy Scripture EVIDENCE in Posts 201, 204 and 211

There is ONLY ONE SHALOM that can SAVE you = "HE is our Peace who has broken down the middle wall(old law)" - Eph2:14

if you attempt to please G'd by the first covenant(which no one could keep/obey) you will be LOST FOREVER

if you attempt to make the first covenant as BINDING to the NEW COVENANT and lure souls into that deception, you will suffer Eternal Fire FOREVER

It is written in the old law: "whoever works on the sabbath will be PUT to DEATH = Exodus 31:12-17

It is written in the NEW Law of HaMashiach = "Come to ME and I will give you REST"

@jeremiah1five , @koberstein , @civic , @Johann , @Administrator

Our SHALOM is only Found in Adonai YAHshua HaMashiach = the LORD Jesus Christ and His Covenant of Righteousness

Allow me to let you in on a secrete . But as you will soon see i have zero problem with anyone knowing it , seeing i wrote in a public place .
Once upon a time there dwelt a man , worst of the worst he was , worst of the worst he was my friend .
He could lip the gospel but hims didnt follow JESUS . for years this was the case .
One day grace appeared , and on that day GOD himself drew that man , that man , that wicked thing , that king of sinners
to JESUS CHRIST . PUT a love in that mans heart . He no longer had the desires he once did , for his sins and etc
ALL of a sudden ALL HE DESIRED was TO KNOW GOD . AND GOD put that man INTO ONE BOOK .
and boy howdy , with the TRUE LOVE that GOD had put upon that mans heart FOR THE TRUTH
that man was one happy man as he read that one holy book . Couldnt put it down . could not put it down .
Now lets fast forward to five years later . One day a computer became available to that man
and he went onto christain websites in search of fellowship . PS he had long went into churches but the DOCTRINE STANK .
SO anyway , he found his first big site .
He noticed many strange and odd teachings from folks on said site .
Now on his heart was to just talk about the LORD , the bible , the truth .
But he kept noticing the focus of most was on this other stuff . and man when i say stuff , i means wacked out teachings .
SO he wondered to himself . WHY do so many believe this stuff .
THEN A REAL , THIS IS THE SECRETE DAVID that i NOW GIVE TO YOU , small voice told that man .
YOU GO and BRING the teachings of JESUS TO THEM , the teachings of the apostels to them
AND YE SHALL FIND that they TWIST AND OMIT things HE and the apostels taught .
MY GOODNESS was that still small voice RIGHT . THEY DID and THEY DO .
WE GOT TO BRING THIS PEOPLE back to the basics david and fast . Many no longer follow JESUS THE CHRIST , if ever they did .
THEY follow men , they follow doctrines of men , love that came of men , NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST , NOT HIS LOVE , NOT HIS SPIRIT .
Have you ever wondered to yourself why it is that i do not try and teach meats to anyone
but rather just preach CHRIST and him crucified . YET i get ignored and rejected the fastest by most . WONDER WHY THAT IS .