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The Old Testament: Obsolete and Embarrassing or still valid today?
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TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Peter was an apostle of JESUS the CHRIST as well . both paul and peter preached the one same gospelI pay attention really well. Well enough to know how to read Galatians 1:1 where Paul does not say he's working for the Hebrew Jews. Paul was an Apostle of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
to every jew and gentile too . peter well he did so more to the jews and while at first paul only preached at jewish synangogues
he also became known as the the one who would preach to the gentiles.
But i gaurantee ya , that both peter and paul preached the same identical gospel to both jew and gentile .
YES . YES .
and when peter even preached the gentile house of cornelious , IT was the same gospel he had preached to the jews .
And when paul had preached the gospel at the jewish synagoues , IT was the same one peter preached
and the same one paul would also preach to gentiles . ONE GOSPEL .
And if a jew or a gentile rejectes it , THEY IS DAMNED big time . so long as we all understand that my friend .
You see IF one DENIES GOD they will be damned . IF ONE DENIES JESUS AS THE CHRIST , WELL GUESS WHO THEY JUST DENIED
even if they claim to believe on GOD . THEY DENIED GOD . That darn serious we get back into bibles for ourselves and fast .
Permit me to direct your well spoken message to the Captain of the Judaizer Clan, Mr. @jeremiah1five.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Yes . by the grace of GOD and by HIS grace alone , way back on may thirtieth of two thousand and six
GOD called me to CHRIST , drew me to CHRIST and HE put me into the bible .
The bible . for hours daily every day ever since . watch out MEN ARE DECEIVING folks big time .
Lets get into the bible for ourselves and fast . I say that not to condmen anyone , but out of love to help them . BIBLE TIME .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Well that list is far too long .
But to keep it simple i was not raised in any church .
Now i had heard the gospel at age four and again at age eight
and then again at age fourteen .
Now as far as mind knowlege i did know what the gospel was . But baby was i satan rights hand man .
BOY did i love me my sin . Yet sadly today most folks , had they seen me back then ,
would have said LOOK such a good loving christian . SEEING many under this other love spell and false doctrines of another gospel
these days .
MOST today had they seen me back then would have said WOW what a good chrsitain . YET I was a devil , a devil that loved its sin .
OH i could do good works , i could help the poor , BUT boy did i follow another jesus , my sins i loved too .
BUT years and many years went by and then in the year of our LORD two thousand and six
GOD truly drew me , HE changed me . HE PUT A WHOLE NEW DESIRE IN MY heart . THE sin i once loved
i now wanted nothing do with and the bible I NEVER read , NOW I COULD NOT PUT IT DOWN .
and i mean hours daily , even up to eight hours a few times . Been reading it ever since every day . Been over eighteen years .
SO BELEIVE ME when i say , WE GOT WOLVES ALL OVER CHRISTENDOM . so many i could not number them
if you gave me ten days and ten hours a day to do so . ITS bad . ITs real bad . now in the end hour
they have come to merge all the denominations and will also merge the false religoins too .
BUT IT SURE AS HECK WONT BE UNDER GOD . oh they will beleive it is and its HIS LOVE . BUT IT AINT .
WE BETTER get in the bible NOW . And please learn it well and test ALL men . All means me too . YOU test all men .
But you gonna have to learn , love and read that bible first and keep doing it too every day .
Yes Sir! Bible Time! Let all Judaizers be inspired by the true Gospel message that declares that all people (Gentiles and Jews) are the same under Jesus Christ, our Lord and God.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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The flesh profits nothing. Whether a man be born a jew or a gentile that one MUST COME TO SAVING FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
the muslim religoin will save none and damn all .
the buddist , same thing as well as any other religoin known to man .
YES , YES EVEN The jew who claims Moses , who cliams torah , who claims even to be of abraham , MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
OR they shall be DENIED .
TO DENY JESUS IS THE CHRIST , IS THE TO DENY THE VERY FATHER , That even the jews might call GOD , A LIAR .
JOHN knew that . HE KNEW IT . JESUS taught it too .
HAD you believed MOSES , you would have BELEIVED ME for HE WROTE OF ME .
IF YE were TRULY abrahams children ye would DO the works of abraham .
WHAT DID abraham do . HE BELIEVED GOD .
What did the jews fail to do , BELIEVE GOD . FOR HAD THEY BELIEVED GOD they WOULD HAVE BELEIVED THE SON .
Ya cant have it both ways . EITHER we beleive and trust in GOD or we dont .
AND IF WE DONT believe and trust in IN HIS SON , JESUS THE CHRIST , WE DONT BELIEVE GOD or the TESTIMONY
that GOD gave of HIS SON . we call GOD a liar .
SO . THERE IT IS . THERE IT IS .
WHAT did JESUS tell the unbeliving jews WHO said GOD IS OUR FATHER , GOD IS OUR FATHER
HE said Ye are of your father THE DEVIL . SEE either we BELIEVE GOD or we dont .
MY SHEEP hear my voice . and His sheep WONT offer up false hope like others do as they try and offer up
these other so called plans of salvation . NO SIR . no sir .
Lambs POINT TO JESUS THE CHRIST and they beleive HIS WORDS .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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i have to let you in on a secrete . I type very fast , so if i wrote something , mispelled or etc
and you have any questions , Please do ask . its better we clear things up . so if i wrote anything
and you seen error , you tell me , EVEN if you were just misunderstanding something i said . It dont bother me
at all for someone to try and correct me . Most of it is always been either my fast typing
or sometimes one didnt understand what i said or took it the wrong way . EITHER way , SAY something .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Actaully it sure do say that . Not all of israel is even of ISRAEL . just not like not all jews are truly A JEW .
even paul wrote that . THERE BE ONE FOLD NOW and KING JESUS LEADS IT . one peoples
one fold , one shepard . EVEN the old test speaks of this too . ONE FOLD and ONE SHEPARD .
KING JESUS .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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same paul that said the middle wall of partitain has been broken down .
HE says something real interesting near the end of his letter to the galations . To the ISRAEL OF GOD .
real interesting . You see back in the days long ago
There was a peoples surnamed ISRAEL and that ISRAEL had been given a captital city , NAMED JERSUALEM
wherein the temple made by hands , whereby the great sacrifices were performed
whereby the great high priest of those times went every year into that temple , and Not without blood for the sins and erros of the people .
BUT SOMETHING HUGE has occured and most do not beleive it any more .
JERUSALEM . JESUS DID SOMETHING and its huge now .
The pattern of the heavenly that men had built by which to worship GOD
and the holiest of holies behind the second curitain , IT ALL CAME DOWN
the TEMPLE RENT in twain . WHEN JESUS was crucified .
AND then he DID arise
and forty days later DID ascend , HIS blood a far better sacfice , NOT for the earthen pattern BUT INTO THE HEAVENLY ITSELF .
WE GOTS US A HEAVENLY JERSUALEM RIGHT NOW . THE TRUE JERSUSLAM of THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD
wherein JOHN saw no temple . FOR THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY and THE LAMB are THE TEMPLE .
ONE FOLD , ONE SHEPARD , ONE HEAVENLY JERSUALEM , ONE KING , ONE GOD ,
ITS that darn simple . THE FLESH of no man shall protfit any man.
And whether a man is born a jew or a gentile , THERE IS NO MAN who falls not and has not fallen far SHORT of the GLORY OF GOD .
ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME my friend . JESUS preaching TIME .
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DavidTree
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AMEN
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Notice how the Holy Spirit says "one" SEVEN times
I said there was ONE Covenant that came out of Sinai, not two. Please stop telling lies about my understanding of Scriptures. And I am obligated to answer your questions and engage in honest discourse, as a manner of simple decency and love towards others as instructed by the Jesus "of the Bible". So when you ask me a question about my understanding of Scriptures, as a servant of the Jesus "of the Bible", I am obligated to answer you honestly, which I did.
But there is no honest discussion of scriptures with you as I have taken my time to show you what is actually written and ask you nicely to answer my questions and support your religion with more than your opinion of 3 words in one sentence out of the entire Bible. That is not an unreasonable request. But you refused to engage.
I posted God Inspired Words which also say "In the Day", concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices, but you have Judged these inspired Words of God as unworthy of even your acknowledgement, much less belief, so you "take away" these Words of God as if they don't exist, and then falsely accuse me of "ADDING" to God's Word.
I asked you to show me the Covenant God made with Israel, "In the Day" that HE took them by the hand and led them out of Egypt, according to your interpretation of the term "In the Day". But you cannot even offer the simplest and most common of courtesies of showing me this Covenant you preach God made with them. You won't even acknowledge the question or bring yourself to honestly discuss it in any way. It's as if you have exalted yourself to such a level that nobody's like me are unworthy of even the simplest of courtesies.
I referenced every Word God said to Israel "In the Day" that HE brought them out of Egypt, and asked you to please discuss this with me as well. But again, I am apparently not worthy, in your exalted state, of even the most common of decencies and courtesies.
I posted Hebrews in which the Author defines what the Priesthood services were in the "First Covenant", and asked you to explain how these things became part of the "One" Covenant, as even a child can see that God didn't make this Priesthood agreement with Israel "in the day" (As you interpret the English translation) HE brought them out of Egypt. But again, I am ignored and belittled by you, as one unworthy of even the most common of decencies and consideration for others that the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs us to engage in.
So no, I am convinced finally by you, that you ask questions of others, with no intent whatso ever of even considering or honestly discussing their answers, which is deceitful at its core.
So no, I will not spend any more time trying to fellowship, or attempt to have an honest discussion with you, because I am finally convinced by your fruits, that you lack the capacity or integrity to engage in such a manner with a nobody such as me.
It's dishonest and deceptive to ask people questions with no intent of considering their answers, and if you disagree with the answers given, then you are obligated to at least attempt to show God's Truth in Scriptures and allow them the opportunity to correct a brother. Or perhaps, to be corrected yourself.
Should you repent and examine yourself and decide to engage in a more "Christ-like" manner, I am glad to start this conversation over.
DavidTree
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@Studyman says: "In the Exodus, God instructed men to obey His commandments and statutes and Laws that Abraham obeyed, for those who partook of the Blood of the Passover Lamb and followed God out of Egypt. Along the way, Israel transgressed a great transgression and created an idol to worship, a golden calf. This action voided the covenant God made with them in the day HE brought them out, and God was going to wipe them all out, and start again with Moses."
There is no capital B for Blood and no capital L for lamb in the exodus from Egypt = there was MUCH blood from MANY lambs/animals.
CHRIST did NOT shed HIS Blood in the old covenant!
God NEVER voided the covenant that HE made with Israel on the day HE brought them out until JESUS died & Rose!!!
Truth speaks from Heaven to us = God NEVER voided His covenant until the NEW Covenant = Jeremiah 31:31-34
ONLY Two Covenants pertaining to Salvation in MESSIAH
Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
ANYONE who seeks to alter and/or change these passages of scripture in any way is in sin, whether by 'good intentions' or not!!!
Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:7-13 and GOSPEL are God's Faithful Witnesses to only TWO COVENANTS
jeremiah1five
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What you as Gentile call "eucharist" the Word of God calls His Passover.
jeremiah1five
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That's right. And salvation is of the Jews - NOT Gentiles.I pay attention really well. Well enough to know how to read Galatians 1:1 where Paul does not say he's working for the Hebrew Jews. Paul was an Apostle of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
jeremiah1five
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And allow me to direct your attention to the Scripture that says Jesus Christ was prophesied to save HIS PEOPLE identified as the twelve tribes of Israel also known as the seed of Jacob also known as the seed of Isaac also known as the seed of Abraham.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt 1:20–21.
And this He did as Saul said:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.
Now, if you want to add non-Hebrew Gentiles to the Word of God when there are none in any of the three Hebrew covenants then that's on you. But it is not the truth and you are believing a lie.
DavidTree
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For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
God NEVER voided His covenant of "the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; = until HE came and established the Second(New Covenant)
God only "DIREGARDED them" but not the 'first' covenant = Deuteronomy 9:12-14
Then the Lord said to me, ‘Arise, go down quickly from here, for your people whom you brought out of Egypt have acted corruptly; they have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them; they have made themselves a molded image.’
“Furthermore the Lord spoke to me, saying, ‘I have seen this people, and indeed they are a stiff-necked people.
Let Me alone, that I may destroy them and blot out their name from under heaven; and I will make of you a nation mightier and greater than they.’
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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I came in very late on this conversation . What is this other man trying to imply .
You are correct my friend when you also said GOD never made void His covenant , TILL , TILL what
TILL JESUS CAME and did all to complete aka to finish the works . God created all that is . The created
seem to have been given a choose ye , aka free will to choose . I mean a third of heaven fell didnt it . two thirds did not .
two thirds chose right , a third chose wrong .
But moving on from that point lets return to the point at hand . As i wrote earlier in this conversation
i came in late and thus i have no idea what this other man is saying .
SO lets just establish a fact . WHAT DOES GOD DESIRE . for man to OBEY HIS VOICE , to obey HIM .
What did moses do , who did moses beleive . Moses did what GOD said because moses BELIEVED GOD .
even when he had the people to sprinkle the blood of lambs , NOT THE LAMB , but lambs
upon their doors . GOD didnt change squat about that convenant HE gave to moses .
As far as abraham , it even says abraham kept THE LAW OF GOD . Abraham OBEYED because abraham BELIEVED .
That covenant GOD made with MOSES to give to the people , that law
the offering up of blood and etc , That law , that blood , was a covenenat all right
But that law and that blood , DUE TO THE FLESH OF MAN , you know us as in we fall short
was brought on for a reason . The reason GOD gave that law , that covenant
was because of TRANSGRESSION TILL THE PROMISE CAME . you see BLOOD , blood can make a remission for sins
BUT the ONLY BLOOD that can really reach the conscious of man , THAT BLOOD Would come later .
TILL it did Israel was given a covenant . NOW the law itself , the righteousness part of it
was never made void . GOD always has desired the people to OBEY HIM . the sacrfices that covered sins
because of trangressions , BUT COULD NOT CLEANSE THE INNER MAN AND CHANGE HIS CONSCIOUS
that other sacrfices became OBSOLETE . ONCE JESUS DID ALL THAT WAS REQUIRED , EVEN OFFERING UP
his own self , HIS OWN BLOOD . a NEW COVENANT WAS MADE . JESUS DID IT . OH HE DID IT ALL RIGHT .
But as far as the covenant GOD gave to moses or etc , THAT NEVER CHANGED , if this man is trying to imply
there was a third or another convenant to replace that original , Before JESUS came , I WOULD NOT HEED a word out of his mouth .
SOMETHING aint right .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Behold the skins of animals . Adam and eve had tried to cover their sin with the fruits of the field . Not gonna work .
perhaps even cain tried the same when he had offered up the fruits of his fields . but only blood can
provide remission for sins . Notice GOD provided adam and eve with the skins of animals to cover up their nakedness .
The blood of animals had to have occured , but this might also be pointing to the BIGGER covenant to come .
THE ONE where JESUS HIMSELF would offer up HIS OWN BLOOD for the sins of man .
perhaps .
The reason for the law that old covenant , was because of trangressions . TILL , TILL , TILL the PROMISE CAME .
Now as far as the commandents go that fullfill righteousness , THAT Part was never made void .
ONLY the animal sacrfices is now made void , you see GOD wrote the law ON STONES
Yet by the SON its now wrote UPON THE HEART of man who do beleive .
There is much beauty to be found in the law , SO LONG as one does not look to the law to save us
THERE is much beauty to be found in the Words of GOD , in the old testament . AND THEY SURE SEEM TO POINT TO CHRIST .
Seems to me , like perhaps even adam and eve may have heard such a thing
WHEN GOD told the woman , YOUR SEED shall crush his head ,
And i know abraham HEARD THE REAL GOSPEL TOO . HE EVEN SEEN JESUS DAY and HIMS REJOICED .
Jehovah jireh . In the moutain of the LORD it shall be SEEN , it shall be PROVIDED .
My son GOD shall provide a lamb . OH HE DID , and that LAMB came many yaers later too . Even to abraham was
the gospel preached . OH there were sheep all right and thems sheep did not hear the voices of hirelings and thieves .
THEY waited for the real PROMISE of the TRUE GOD .
This other man seems to not know things my friend . i say that not to be mean , but to remind us
WE BESS STAY IN THAT BIBLE My friend . many men have long twisted stuff . MANY .
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