The New Covenant was PRIOR to the Law and Old Covenant

[Truther]

The LORD places His sons into His Body = the Israel of God

The Body of Christ does not replace the earthbound unsaved nation Israel.

The LORD Jesus Christ took the kingdom away from them because they rejected their King and became apostates to the FAITH.

The Israel on earth is dead in trespasses and sins.

The Eternal Israel of God is Born from Above and consists of Jew & Gentile in MESSIAH = no one else is allowed in.

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

ONLY the Seed of MESSIAH becomes the Israel of God

Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Two covenants
Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

This is not about whether the Jews are God's people or not, but about a promise to the fathers. The promise says God will restore the kingdom to Israel, not you.

You need to get into the 1st century mindset per Acts 1....


6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know...


Jesus said this event, they will never know.

Jesus did not tell them that THEY were the kingdom, as many believe today.

Again, get 1st century. You are smarter than the Apostles

 

[Truther]

When the LORD Returns and saves the remnant of Jews that survive - what do they become?

You will find the answer in Romans ch11

Saved. All Israel will be saved.

 

[Truther]

No Paul didn't not preach what you're claiming. Paul said very clearly that there is no Jew without the "circumcision of the heart". You're defining "Jews" differently.

You are preaching a false gospel. I know because I can read the Scriptures myself. I don't need you to explain them to me. They mean what they say.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Abraham was circumcised in heart.

Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Which establishes every real Jew.

Paul didn't say this?...


25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


I did not even comment, but posted it.

I think you disagree with Paul, not me.

This is definitely not about us.

 

[Truther]

I have read it many times. Read it again yourself.

The promises are to Jews on this current earth. Christ will rule and reign on this current earth.

After this earth is destroyed with fire and all the works therein consumed, we look for new heavens and new earth that have no existing promises relative to that land in Israel and the current city of Jerusalem.

You've always just followed what you've heard from others instead of paying attention yourself. I am paying attention. I believe what I read.

No, the promise is not to a Jew but to the fathers about their Jewish descendants.

Jesus, along with the Apostles, will indeed rule over the 12 tribes of Israel, correct?

Correct?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Paul didn't say this?...


25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


I did not even comment, but posted it.

I think you disagree with Paul, not me.

This is definitely not about us.

I know what you believe. I know it better than you do. I gave an explanation of how you are wrong. All you're doing is repeating yourself and claiming you're right.

Just how does the promises to that land you claim for Jews apply if this earth is be destroyed and all the works their in ended and consumed?

Go ahead. Repeat yourself again. I don't expect an answer.

 

[civic]

That's code word for the elimination and replacement of oneself of the promise to the fathers to their descendants.

Promise theft.

Covenant theft.

Its Replacement Theology- Reformed doctrine that originated in the 4th century. Reformed theology takes allot from that era also with augustianism.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No, the promise is not to a Jew but to the fathers about their Jewish descendants.

Jesus, along with the Apostles, will indeed rule over the 12 tribes of Israel, correct?

Correct?

That promise to only One Jew. Jesus Christ. The single and only worthy heir of Abraham.

You're conflating.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Its Replacement Theology- Reformed doctrine.

Covenant Theology. It is partially right and partially wrong.

 

[Truther]

I know what you believe. I know it better than you do. I gave an explanation of how you are wrong. All you're doing is repeating yourself and claiming you're right.

Just how does the promises to that land you claim for Jews apply if this earth is be destroyed and all the works their in ended and consumed?

Go ahead. Repeat yourself again. I don't expect an answer.

The land promised to Abraham per his descendants will be the epicenter of Christ's 1000 year reign.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The land promised to Abraham per his descendants will be the epicenter of Christ's 1000 year reign.

Correct and that land will be destroyed.

 

[Truther]

Its Replacement Theology- Reformed doctrine that originated in the 4th century. Reformed theology takes allot from that era also with augustianism.

RT is laced through much of Christian doctrine today.

It is rooted in satan.

Satan's sole purpose is to make God a liar and a promise breaker.

I won't join his club.

 

[praise_yeshua]

RT is laced through much of Christian doctrine today.

It is rooted in satan.

Satan's sole purpose is to make God a liar and a promise breaker.

I won't join his club.

So you think claiming that all Jews will be saved regardless of faith isn't a damnable false gospel?

 

[Truther]

That promise to only One Jew. Jesus Christ. The single and only worthy heir of Abraham.

You're conflating

There is no such thing as a promise to the fathers?

 

[Truther]

Correct and that land will be destroyed.

...after 1000 years.

 

[civic]

So you think claiming that all Jews will be saved regardless of faith isn't a damnable false gospel?

let me know what you think about this from got?

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/replacement-theology.1357/

 

[praise_yeshua]

There is no such thing as a promise to the fathers?

Through faith in Jesus Christ. There has never been a real Jew that wasn't faithful. Never.

 

[Truther]

So you think claiming that all Jews will be saved regardless of faith isn't a damnable false gospel?

Were you saved regardless of your condition at your meeting with Christ?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Were you saved regardless of your condition at your meeting with Christ?

How does that change anything?

 

[DavidTree]

Saved. All Israel will be saved.

AMEN - HalleluYAH

Who and what constitutes "All Israel" according to Romans chapter 11 ???

 

[Truther]

Through faith in Jesus Christ. There has never been a real Jew that wasn't faithful. Never.

The promise of the kingdom going back to Israel is oficially not for you to know....

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know...

So you can't have a position on it.

You know nothing about it.