The New Covenant was PRIOR to the Law and Old Covenant
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Truther
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The inhabitants of Israel at the return of christ per Zech 14 etc.
praise_yeshua
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In my opinion, the phrase "Replacement Theology" is used as a weapon to defend against things that are somewhat true. Some do haphazardly conflate promises due to those inhabiting the land of Israel at Christ's return. Even then, the Scriptures present somewhat of a paradox.
Our union with one another is solely in Christ. The only Heir of Abraham. The Eternal aspects of those promises are only in Jesus Christ. Temporal promises are to national Israel.
praise_yeshua
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That is correct. Three thousands were saved at Pentecost but they all dealt with God individually.
civic
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while I can agree with most of what you said in the end during the Millennial Reign and in the New Heavens/Earth there will be a literal fulfillment for both Israel and the church as we become one in Christ at that time. Until then we will always be debating these details.
JMHO FWIW.
DavidTree
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Zech ch14 is absolutely TRUE but you are leaving out ALL of Israel spoken of in Romans ch11
SEE = you jumped to another scripture and avoided Romans ch11
Please Post who constitutes "ALL Israel" from Romans ch11
DavidTree
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"literal fulfillment for both Israel and the church as we become one in Christ at that time."while I can agree with most of what you said in the end during the Millennial Reign and in the New Heavens/Earth there will be a literal fulfillment for both Israel and the church as we become one in Christ at that time. Until then we will always be debating these details.
JMHO FWIW.
Good word Brother
Keep these 3 at the Forefront of your heart and mind as we Look Ahead (from Ephesians and Hebrews)
Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
praise_yeshua
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while I can agree with most of what you said in the end during the Millennial Reign and in the New Heavens/Earth there will be a literal fulfillment for both Israel and the church as we become one in Christ at that time. Until then we will always be debating these details.
JMHO FWIW.
I can agree. It is a difficult to get some to accept that the Church is made up of both Jews and Gentiles. In Christ, there is only Unity. There is no wall between any ethnicity nor race. There will not be a wall existing during the Millenial Reign. It is gone. It doesn't exist anymore.
However, the land in Israel is reserved for the King. Christ is the heir of Abraham. The heir of David. There are promises that are yet to be fulfilled in the reign of Christ. This is why I say that the term "Replacement Theology" is really not accurate to my position or others who have a similar positions to mine.
John Hagee is one of the most prominent teachers in the last 40 years that has taught the false gospel that all ethnic Jews will be saved in the return of Christ. There many many reasons why this is not true. Real Jews are those who have faith in God. They faithfully seek God and become equal members in the "Church". Saved Jews have even occupied the ears and eyes of the Body of Christ in the early church. However, that shifted when Paul prophesized and foretold of the giving of the "Oracle's of God" to Gentiles. That is what we have today. The lead of the Gospel is primarily relative to those outside of national Israel.
It is difficult to get national Jews to listen to anyone other than those among them. I know. I've tried. They believe just like Calvinists that they are purposed for election apart from their own actions. They believe that Messiah will embrace them in His return.
Even when Christ physically reigns, it will not be an exclusively spiritual event. After the reign of Christ, Satan will be loosed and those people who "praised the King of Kings" will be very same one's that will join Satan in the last battle.
I could go on and on but you know the subject well. The argument often just turns into chaos when discussed.
DavidTree
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Keep in mind that, just before His Coming, God will wipe CLEAN from the earth those Jews who have given themselves to serving themselves, satan and the Antichrist = Zechariah ch13 and ch14
The only earthbound Jews that will be left will be those whom the LORD has chosen to be SAVED = Matt 23:37-39
Has HE not done this since the Beginning = saving only those who belong to Him of both Jew and Gentile.
brightfame52
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You advocate works also
Truther
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So, this is impossible to God?....
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Truther
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This...
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Is this...
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one....
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
Truther
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Yes, just not the works of the OT Law that the NT describes for us not to adhere to for salvation.
Right?
Believing is work, repenting is work, being baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins is work. Just not OT works.
DavidTree
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We already determined that Zech ch14 is 100% accurate and will literally take place.
Go back to Romans ch11 and Post ALL the scripture that declares where the LORD places the Jews whom He saves, both now and at His Coming.
civic
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Nice post !
brightfame52
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Works salvation denies Salvation by Grace !
DavidTree
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You are BOTH correct.
Find out how that is possible.
As always = you will find the TRUE answer from God in His Word = the Holy Scriptures
Have a Great Day Today in the LORD and His word.
Truther
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Are you saying that obeying Acts 2:38 is not Grace?
Truther
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I think the anti-Acts 2:38 movement is saying Acts 2:38 is Law, not Grace.
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