The New Covenant was PRIOR to the Law and Old Covenant

[DavP]

I'll say it again, just in case some are hard of hearing...

The NEW Covenant was PRIOR to the giving of the law and the old covenant. How do those in Christ know this?

It's simple, by study of what Apostle Paul taught, and by looking at the Old Testament Book examples of the appearance of Lord Jesus to Abraham in his day. Come with me in Galatians 3 by Apostle Paul, and learn by line upon line coverage, which is the only way to really learn God's written Word...

Gal 3:1-5
3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth He it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
KJV

Some among the Galatians had apparently been twisting the Truth of The Gospel regarding the difference between following The Spirit by Faith, vs. law keeping. Back in Galatians 1, Paul gave rebuke about the Judaizer Pharisee converts that had crept in, and were distorting The Gospel into "another gospel" which Paul and the Apostles did not preach. Thus Paul is continuing his lesson on that here to the Galatians (and to us, as Galatians is a foundational Book of Christian Doctrine.)

Gal 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, "In thee shall all nations be blessed."
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

Does the above just mean, that because Abraham believed God's Promise through Faith, that meant all nations would be blessed materially, or physically? God forbid, NO!

The Gospel of Jesus Christ was literally... preached first to Abraham. That... is what Paul is pointing to. Even towards the end of John 8, Lord Jesus said that Abraham rejoiced to see His day, and was glad. What day of Christ's was Lord Jesus pointing to, do you think? To the time of His death and resurrection of course, which is THE GOSPEL.

Abraham KNEW about The Gospel, but just didn't get to live to the time when Jesus would come to die on the cross and be resurrected by The Father. The Gospel of Jesus Christ coming to die on the cross is actually first hinted at in Gen.3:15 about Christ's heel being bruised upon His cross. King David would be given to prophesy about events of Christ's crucifixion about 1,000 years before it happened, even about the soldiers casting lots upon Jesus' clothing, per Psalms 22. The prophet Isaiah was given to write of Christ's crucifixion per Isaiah 53. The Gospel of Jesus Christ can be found pointed to in many Old Testament Books of God's Word. That's why it's important to study all of God's Word, and not just the New Testament Books.

Thus Apostle Paul is teaching us, THE GOSPEL BY FAITH was always FIRST, even 430 years prior to the giving of the law and old covenant!

Gal 3:10-14
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, 'Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.'
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, 'The just shall live by faith.'
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, 'Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:'
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

The 'blessing' of who? The "blessing of Abraham", which is what? It is the receiving of "the promise of the Spirit through faith"! Wait a minute. That blessing of Abraham from GOD was way... before God gave Israel the law and old covenant through Moses? Do you know what that means brethren?...

... It means, The NEW Covenant Jesus Christ, The Gospel, was always FIRST... before the law, and before the old covenant!

Why don't the Churches teach about the NEW Covenant always being first??

It's almost like many Christian Churches today have succumbed to ideas of the Judaizers who want us to understand The Bible like the evolutionists do with earth history, like earth history began with the cave man and slowly progressed to now. Just because the orthodox Jews can't understand this, doesn't mean those of us in Christ Jesus have to put up with their... version of Bible history. What Paul taught here in Galatians 3 has been written all along, and it is even pointed to in the Old Testament Books. Paul also covered this very subject in Romans 4 also.

Apostle Paul here in Galatians 3 is showing us that God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ, The Gospel, The New Covenant, was always His 'original' Plan from the beginning.

Gal 3:15-18
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
KJV

Sounds a bit like Paul is kind of talking in circles, but really he is not. He saying that God gave Abraham the "covenant" by promise not by the law, for the law was 430 years later. Thus the law which came later, cannot disannul the promise to make it of no effect.

Thus God's Promise by Faith, and His blessings of inheritance to Abraham, is BY PROMISE, and not by the law. This is important, because the Judaizer instead thinks this inheritance is by the law.

Gal 3:19-21
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
KJV

Why then did God 430 years later give the law? It was given "because of transgressions", until the seed would come to whom the Promise would be applied (i.e., Jesus Christ and those of FAITH!).

Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
KJV

That... is pointing to God's original Salvation Plan ordained before the foundation of this world! (Ephesians 1:4) That is why we all... have been concluded under sin by the Scriptures, so that the Promise by Faith on Jesus Christ would be given to them that believe. With that Truth then, it means we can go even back further than Abraham with this idea of God's Promise of Salvation through His Son by FAITH! It's about the Promise by Faith on The Gospel Jesus Christ being ordained even before the foundation of this world!

Gal 3:23-29
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

That means, even as a Gentile believer on Jesus Christ, you are counted... as Abraham's seed, and will INHERIT WITH faithful Abraham per God's promises.

 

[101G]

Addressing the OP, correct the Promise was before the Law, and Moses. it was the foreshadow of things to come in signs, and symbols. and types. as 101G has always said, the OT is the NT hidden, and the NT is the OT REVEALED.

Good work

101G.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Another Thread twisting clear teaching. Will it ever stop?

 

[Truther]

Abraham met the man Christ Jesus as Melchizedek.
Abraham rejoiced about it.

Jesus (Mary’s son) was on earth(time) and in heaven(timeless) simultaneously.

The Jews were shocked when he said that as most Christians are.

Adam was even made in the image of the son of man per Romans 5:14.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You say the New Covenant was before the Law and Old Covenant then cite New Covenant Scripture to prove your case, which is merely discussion of the New Covenant with the House of Israel and the effect of Messiah upon the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants by Jewish Christians.
Show me through Scripture in the Law, Psalms, and Prophets to support your statement.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Another Thread twisting clear teaching. Will it ever stop?

Chuckle!!! It IS one of the more "Creative" ones, you gotta to admit!!!

 

[e v e]

I'll say it again, just in case some are hard of hearing...

The NEW Covenant was PRIOR to the giving of the law and the old covenant. How do those in Christ know this?

It's simple, by study of what Apostle Paul taught, and by looking at the Old Testament Book examples of the appearance of Lord Jesus to Abraham in his day. Come with me in Galatians 3 by Apostle Paul, and learn by line upon line coverage, which is the only way to really learn God's written Word...

Gal 3:1-5
3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth He it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
KJV

Some among the Galatians had apparently been twisting the Truth of The Gospel regarding the difference between following The Spirit by Faith, vs. law keeping. Back in Galatians 1, Paul gave rebuke about the Judaizer Pharisee converts that had crept in, and were distorting The Gospel into "another gospel" which Paul and the Apostles did not preach. Thus Paul is continuing his lesson on that here to the Galatians (and to us, as Galatians is a foundational Book of Christian Doctrine.)

Gal 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, "In thee shall all nations be blessed."
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

Does the above just mean, that because Abraham believed God's Promise through Faith, that meant all nations would be blessed materially, or physically? God forbid, NO!

The Gospel of Jesus Christ was literally... preached first to Abraham. That... is what Paul is pointing to. Even towards the end of John 8, Lord Jesus said that Abraham rejoiced to see His day, and was glad. What day of Christ's was Lord Jesus pointing to, do you think? To the time of His death and resurrection of course, which is THE GOSPEL.

Abraham KNEW about The Gospel, but just didn't get to live to the time when Jesus would come to die on the cross and be resurrected by The Father. The Gospel of Jesus Christ coming to die on the cross is actually first hinted at in Gen.3:15 about Christ's heel being bruised upon His cross. King David would be given to prophesy about events of Christ's crucifixion about 1,000 years before it happened, even about the soldiers casting lots upon Jesus' clothing, per Psalms 22. The prophet Isaiah was given to write of Christ's crucifixion per Isaiah 53. The Gospel of Jesus Christ can be found pointed to in many Old Testament Books of God's Word. That's why it's important to study all of God's Word, and not just the New Testament Books.

Thus Apostle Paul is teaching us, THE GOSPEL BY FAITH was always FIRST, even 430 years prior to the giving of the law and old covenant!

Gal 3:10-14
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, 'Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.'
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, 'The just shall live by faith.'
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, 'Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:'
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

The 'blessing' of who? The "blessing of Abraham", which is what? It is the receiving of "the promise of the Spirit through faith"! Wait a minute. That blessing of Abraham from GOD was way... before God gave Israel the law and old covenant through Moses? Do you know what that means brethren?...

... It means, The NEW Covenant Jesus Christ, The Gospel, was always FIRST... before the law, and before the old covenant!

Why don't the Churches teach about the NEW Covenant always being first??

It's almost like many Christian Churches today have succumbed to ideas of the Judaizers who want us to understand The Bible like the evolutionists do with earth history, like earth history began with the cave man and slowly progressed to now. Just because the orthodox Jews can't understand this, doesn't mean those of us in Christ Jesus have to put up with their... version of Bible history. What Paul taught here in Galatians 3 has been written all along, and it is even pointed to in the Old Testament Books. Paul also covered this very subject in Romans 4 also.

Apostle Paul here in Galatians 3 is showing us that God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ, The Gospel, The New Covenant, was always His 'original' Plan from the beginning.

Gal 3:15-18
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
KJV

Sounds a bit like Paul is kind of talking in circles, but really he is not. He saying that God gave Abraham the "covenant" by promise not by the law, for the law was 430 years later. Thus the law which came later, cannot disannul the promise to make it of no effect.

Thus God's Promise by Faith, and His blessings of inheritance to Abraham, is BY PROMISE, and not by the law. This is important, because the Judaizer instead thinks this inheritance is by the law.

Gal 3:19-21
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
KJV

Why then did God 430 years later give the law? It was given "because of transgressions", until the seed would come to whom the Promise would be applied (i.e., Jesus Christ and those of FAITH!).

Gal 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
KJV

That... is pointing to God's original Salvation Plan ordained before the foundation of this world! (Ephesians 1:4) That is why we all... have been concluded under sin by the Scriptures, so that the Promise by Faith on Jesus Christ would be given to them that believe. With that Truth then, it means we can go even back further than Abraham with this idea of God's Promise of Salvation through His Son by FAITH! It's about the Promise by Faith on The Gospel Jesus Christ being ordained even before the foundation of this world!

Gal 3:23-29
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

That means, even as a Gentile believer on Jesus Christ, you are counted... as Abraham's seed, and will INHERIT WITH faithful Abraham per God's promises.

the covenant was always God's covenant with His souls for us to return to Him to our eden...

 

[Studyman]

I'll say it again, just in case some are hard of hearing...

The NEW Covenant was PRIOR to the giving of the law and the old covenant. How do those in Christ know this?

It's simple, by study of what Apostle Paul taught, and by looking at the Old Testament Book examples of the appearance of Lord Jesus to Abraham in his day.

It is important, in my view, to consider "ALL" of Paul's teaching, in order to understand him, in the same way we should consider "ALL" of the Word's which proceed from the mouth of God in Scripture, and "ALL" of the teaching of the Christ, to understand Him.

The Apostle Paul taught, in his defense against those who accused him of teaching against God and the Law and Prophets;

Acts 24: 13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. 14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

There were "many" religious men since Paul's conversion, that accuse him of teaching against the Law and Prophets and the God defined therein, as it is to this day. But those who make such accusations, don't really listen to what he actually teaches, in my view.

Acts 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (ALL) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

What works were these, did Paul address them?

Eph. 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of (Mans) works, lest any "man" should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God (Not Man) hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

And again.

2 Tim. 3: 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, ( Paul's Letters didn't even exist when Timothy was young, so this is the LAW and Prophets ) which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which "is in" Christ Jesus. (Consider Zacharias, Simeon and Anna)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

And again;

Rom. 2: 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

And again;

Rom. 6: 16 Know ye not, that to whom "ye yield yourselves" servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

And again;

1 Cor. 7: 19 Circumcision (Jew) is nothing, and uncircumcision (Gentile) is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And again;

Rom. 2: 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to "every man" according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing (Works) seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Come with me in Galatians 3 by Apostle Paul, and learn by line upon line coverage, which is the only way to really learn God's written Word...

If a person rejects, ignores or refuses to consider these teachings of Paul, or the Jesus before him, or the Christ when HE was up where HE was before, then when they come to Galatians, how can they possibly understand him?

I agree that what God defines as the New Covenant existed before the Exodus and that Noah and Abraham had adopted this Covenant of God, as it is written;

Gen. 6: 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man (Not Wicked) and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

And also Abraham;

Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

So to say that the New Covenant, which I agree existed in Noah's and Abraham's time, didn't include God's instruction in Righteousness, or the "Good Works" God before ordained that men, including Noah and Abraham should walk in them, or that Abraham and Noah didn't "Yield Themselves" servants to Obey God, or didn't "Keep the commandments" of God is simply untrue, if the Bible is our guide. And Jesus Himself did say the scriptures cannot be broken.

This would make the statement "The NEW Covenant was PRIOR to the giving of the law and the old covenant." not Biblically accurate, given that the Scriptures themselves said both Abraham and Noah were "doers" of His Instruction in righteousness, not just hearers, as the world in Noah's time were, and Sodom was.

So if the very foundation of a Doctrine is untrue, this would be "leaven", Yes? And a little leaven would then influence the entire lump.

What I have found, is that when a man Arms himself with "ALL" of Paul's Teaching, and "Every Word" which proceeds out of the mouth of God, as the Jesus of the Bible instructs, Galatians takes on a completely different understanding. We would know the Pharisees were not trying to turn men towards God and "His Righteousness", that Jesus said we are to SEEK. They were not trying to direct the Galatians towards the "Good Works" God created beforehand that men should walk in them. Nor were they promoting that men should be "Doers of the Law" and not hearers only, and we would also know they were not promoting the keeping of God's Commandments as Paul taught, and Abraham did. Because the Jesus "of the Bible" tells us flat out.

Mark 7: 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

By the Grace of God, I was called out of the religions of this world God placed both you and I in. In the same way HE called Noah out of those religions of his time, and Abraham, "Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:"

The Christ of the Bible, when HE was "up where HE was before", told me;

Ez. 18: 31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

And when HE became a man,

John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

And Paul promoted the same gospel.

Eph. 4: 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


In closing I hope you might consider why this world's religions don't believe Moses and the Prophets.

When the Christ, the Rock, came to earth as the man Jesus, HE warned me.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Follow the Sayings of the Christ of the Bible, for they are Spirit and they are Life. "Seek Ye first the Kingdom "of God" and HIS Righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Take Heed my friend, of this world's religions who "Call Jesus Lord, Lord, Prophesy in His Name, Do many wonderful works in His Name, who cast our devils in His Name, but do not walk in, or promote the "Good Works" God before ordained that His People should walk in them.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Great.
Now use the Hebrew Scriptures to support your position.

 

[101G]

Great.
Now use the Hebrew Scriptures to support your position.

Start at Genesis chapter 12 when God called out Abram/later Abraham with the promise of Christ blessing to all families of the world.

Next, Chapter 15 further describes the blessings that will be bestowed upon Abraham with God appearing to him in a vision declaring that he will have many offspring as there are stars in the sky, and these offspring are all the nations of the earth….. yes world wide salvation for all mankind. This is when Abraham had no children yet, for it was PROMISED HIM.

Then read chapter 17 God tells Abraham that he will establish an eternal covenant with him and his seed, and NOT SEED(S), not many but one, who will be him in flesh….. Christ, the Messiah… (smile).

And this is collaborated by the Holy Spirit via his apostle Paul in Galatians chapter3 & 4 …. Please read them and the after chapter also for your edification.

101G.

 

[e v e]

Start at Genesis chapter 12 when God called out Abram/later Abraham with the promise of Christ blessing to all families of the world.

blessing the souls of israel and judah

Next, Chapter 15 further describes the blessings that will be bestowed upon Abraham with God appearing to him in a vision declaring that he will have many offspring as there are stars in the sky,

not offspring. thats for animals.

and these offspring are all the nations of the earth….

no. His children are not offspring.
nations generally refers to demon nations.

. yes world wide salvation for all mankind.

not this world.

This is when Abraham had no children yet, for it was PROMISED HIM.

Then read chapter 17 God tells Abraham that he will establish an eternal covenant with him and his seed, and NOT SEED(S), not many but one, who will be him in flesh….. Christ, the Messiah… (smile).

And this is collaborated by the Holy Spirit via his apostle Paul in Galatians chapter3 & 4 …. Please read them and the after chapter also for your edification.

101G.

 

[Truther]

The new covenant has not been instituted yet. It will be instituted fully when Jesus returns to save Israel. This is at the second coming. The church today is simply partially included in that future covenant. We didn’t make a covenant with Jesus. He made a covenant with Abraham about his great great, great great, great, great ……..grandkids

 

[101G]

blessing the souls of israel and judah

is that tribes or the House of Both?

not offspring. thats for animals.

and humans, Acts 17:28 "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."
Offspring: G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

no. His children are not offspring.
nations generally refers to demon nations

so, God is the Author of Demons?

not this world.

which all mankind, as well as this world is only temporary.

101G.

 

[101G]

The new covenant has not been instituted yet. It will be instituted fully when Jesus returns to save Israel. This is at the second coming. The church today is simply partially included in that future covenant. We didn’t make a covenant with Jesus. He made a covenant with Abraham about his great great, great great, great, great grandkids

ERROR, Hebrews 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator." Hebrews 9:17 "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."

it has been instituted. now, the Gentiles are to come in be they Jesus or other nations of Gentiles.

the covenant is now, Israel was only blinded, until all has come in.

and those Great, great, great, great, grands are us today.

101G.

 

[e v e]

is that tribes or the House of Both?

and humans, Acts 17:28 "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."
Offspring: G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

so, God is the Author of Demons?

which all mankind, as well as this world is only temporary.

101G.

the human body on this earth is not the one He made.
So no. Offspring is esau's sick joke to make fun of us after the fall.

 

[e v e]

is that tribes or the House of Both?

and humans, Acts 17:28 "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."
Offspring: G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

so, God is the Author of Demons?

which all mankind, as well as this world is only temporary.

101G.

He is not the author of demons.

demons exist and the term Nations almost Always 99.99999 refers to them.
Translation errors - on purpose. Every single written down text has errors.

There were no written down words until having cursed themselves...
and in that state they wrote down their errors.
God no longer talked to them.

 

[e v e]

is that tribes or the House of Both?

and humans, Acts 17:28 "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."
Offspring: G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

so, God is the Author of Demons?

which all mankind, as well as this world is only temporary.

101G.

Not all of those alive on this earth even have a soul made by God.

please.

We are now in animal bodies, Because of Adam, so yes, we are referred to be esaus as
offspring. The hieroglyphs gleefully recount that now they made us to fall
we were cattle. Their jeering way to refer to us.

God did not make us as procreating animal type offspring
which is what we are in the form of, now, ever since the fall.

 

[Truther]

ERROR, Hebrews 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator." Hebrews 9:17 "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."

it has been instituted. now, the Gentiles are to come in be they Jesus or other nations of Gentiles.

the covenant is now, Israel was only blinded, until all has come in.

and those Great, great, great, great, grands are us today.

101G.

So are we in a different covenant with God than God made with Abraham about Israel/Judah per Jer 31?

Did our modern oneness fathers or the ancient Apostles make this covenant with God?

Do we make individual covenants with God?

 

[Truther]

Here are the Apostles trying to get involved in the new covenant and what Jesus told them to do....


6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know ....



...(none of your business when it will occur and you will not know).

 

[Truther]

ERROR, Hebrews 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator." Hebrews 9:17 "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."

it has been instituted. now, the Gentiles are to come in be they Jesus or other nations of Gentiles.

the covenant is now, Israel was only blinded, until all has come in.

and those Great, great, great, great, grands are us today.

101G.

You have just admitted that you teach replacement theology. We replace Abrahams great great great great grandkids and we are now living in the “promised land“. Busted.