The Nature of God in the Atonement

[Obadiah]

He is a solid trinitarian.

It'd be great if binyamene came over here and posted as trinitarians are the best.

 

[Johann]

A friend of mine binyamene said this on another forum :

“What we can say that forsaken doesn't means separation. That's what I always argue against in PSA topics. Did the Father forsaken the Son, no, in the sense of separation as most PSA suggest. But what sense was he forsaken? According to Biblehub:

to abandon, desert (ἐν equivalent to ἐν τίνι, in some place or condition), i. e. to leave in straits, leave helpless, (colloquial, leave in the lurch): τινα, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34

In other words, the Father is still there with the Son according to the Divine Nature. The inseparable union of the Trinity (John 8:29, 16:32). But based on this unique particular condition (the cross), the Father is not going to offer help (Matthew 4:6), even though, the Father is still there with the Son (Psalms 22:1 and 24). The Father even listened to his cry for help and he was heard because of his reverent submission (Hebrews 5:7-8). This is for the sake of us and our salvation (Luke 22:42), so the Son was left helpless in that particular circumstanial condition and had to suffer through it. Again, the Father is still there with the Son by doing the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14). Nothing more needs to be added to the definition of "forsaken" like how some people include: randomly quoting verses, emotional despair, separation, and spiritual death, etc.”

hope this helps !!!

This lecture series defends the idea that Christ’s dying for us is neither penal, nor substitutionary, nor even rightly called "atonement" (the lexical meaning of which word is “reparation for a wrong or an injury”). Rather, Christ’s dying is the final step of the incarnation, the purpose of which is to heal the human condition by fusing that condition in its entirety (death included) to divinity. Click on the graphic below to hear Episode 47: "Christ, the Lamb of God," a sample lecture from the series.

The Atonement Part 47--Christ the Lamb of God

This is the first of two lectures critiquing the sixteenth claim in the composite model of atonement. This sixteenth claim states: “As the perfect unblemished offering, Christ satisfies God’s wrath ag

rumble.com

 

[civic]

This lecture series defends the idea that Christ’s dying for us is neither penal, nor substitutionary, nor even rightly called "atonement" (the lexical meaning of which word is “reparation for a wrong or an injury”). Rather, Christ’s dying is the final step of the incarnation, the purpose of which is to heal the human condition by fusing that condition in its entirety (death included) to divinity. Click on the graphic below to hear Episode 47: "Christ, the Lamb of God," a sample lecture from the series.

The Atonement Part 47--Christ the Lamb of God

This is the first of two lectures critiquing the sixteenth claim in the composite model of atonement. This sixteenth claim states: “As the perfect unblemished offering, Christ satisfies God’s wrath ag

rumble.com

I’ll watch this tonight thanks

 

[Johann]

I’ll watch this tonight thanks

From Paul Vendredi-77 episodes.
J.

 

[civic]

Another point I will be adding to the paper is regarding death and sin. Death is the result and the punishment for sin. The evangelical concept of eternal separation from God as a result of sin is a misnomer. The second death brings forth eternal punishment for those who have rejected Christ whereas eternal life with Christ is the result of those who are saved. Eternal punishment for sin is the end result for sinners who reject God.

So Christ suffered death for our sins. He was not separated from the Father. The concept of sin and eternal separation from God is misguided. This is where evangelicalism and the reformed view is flat out wrong. This is where they get it wrong with the Father and Son on the cross and His death for our sins. there is no separation with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit ever as the Tri-Unity of God cannot ever be separated. Jesus through His death and Resurrection defeated sin, death and the devil. He conquered them all. Christology and Soteriology go hand in hand together. PSA causes a division in Christology and Soteriology.

hope this helps !!!

 

[TomL]

A friend of mine binyamene said this on another forum :

“What we can say that forsaken doesn't means separation. That's what I always argue against in PSA topics. Did the Father forsaken the Son, no, in the sense of separation as most PSA suggest. But what sense was he forsaken? According to Biblehub:

to abandon, desert (ἐν equivalent to ἐν τίνι, in some place or condition), i. e. to leave in straits, leave helpless, (colloquial, leave in the lurch): τινα, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34

In other words, the Father is still there with the Son according to the Divine Nature. The inseparable union of the Trinity (John 8:29, 16:32). But based on this unique particular condition (the cross), the Father is not going to offer help (Matthew 4:6), even though, the Father is still there with the Son (Psalms 22:1 and 24). The Father even listened to his cry for help and he was heard because of his reverent submission (Hebrews 5:7-8). This is for the sake of us and our salvation (Luke 22:42), so the Son was left helpless in that particular circumstanial condition and had to suffer through it. Again, the Father is still there with the Son by doing the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14). Nothing more needs to be added to the definition of "forsaken" like how some people include: randomly quoting verses, emotional despair, separation, and spiritual death, etc.”

hope this helps !!!

And

2 Corinthians 5:14–19 (KJV 1900) — 14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[Administrator]

https://mccafferty1.site/l

The above is to long to post here it would be 5/6 separate posts. I might break it up in sections below.

I'll have to redo this as I'm in the process of upgrading the site.

 

[Administrator]

The Nature of God in the Atonement is live. I may have to do a little fine-tuning at a later date.

Living Sacrifice

www.mccafferty1.site

 

[Alive]

This lecture series defends the idea that Christ’s dying for us is neither penal, nor substitutionary, nor even rightly called "atonement" (the lexical meaning of which word is “reparation for a wrong or an injury”). Rather, Christ’s dying is the final step of the incarnation, the purpose of which is to heal the human condition by fusing that condition in its entirety (death included) to divinity. Click on the graphic below to hear Episode 47: "Christ, the Lamb of God," a sample lecture from the series.

The Atonement Part 47--Christ the Lamb of God

This is the first of two lectures critiquing the sixteenth claim in the composite model of atonement. This sixteenth claim states: “As the perfect unblemished offering, Christ satisfies God’s wrath ag

rumble.com

Good link I'm going to listen to the video. If I like it I'll see if I can fit in the whole lecture series.

 

[Alive]

Living Sacrifice

mccafferty1.site

The above is to long to post here it would be 5/6 separate posts. I might break it up in sections below.

That is so awesome. I'm going to share the link from the website to some friends. Much easier than reading it on our forum.

 

[Creed]

Living Sacrifice

mccafferty1.site

The above is to long to post here it would be 5/6 separate posts. I might break it up in sections below.

Excellent article and I like to website

 

[Creed]

That worship song really hits home.
So does this one.



Those that have been forgiven much love much.

Amen to that

 

[TomL]

Living Sacrifice

mccafferty1.site

The above is to long to post here it would be 5/6 separate posts. I might break it up in sections below.

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[civic]

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@Administrator

 

[TomL]

@Administrator

Oh

 

[civic]

Oh

@Administrator can fix the url on the website. He is the technologically wise one not me lol

 

[Administrator]

seems to be working try this LINK>>

 

[civic]

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I just clicked on the link in your post and it works

 

[Predestined]

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Works for me .

 

[Predestined]

seems to be working try this LINK>>

This works also.