Christ's Finished Atonement or Christ's Failure Atonement

[Kermos]

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished!” Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit (John 19:30).

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world (1 John 2:2.

Christ's finished atonement is for the whole world, and the whole world includes exclusively the persons whom the Christ chooses as recipients for Christ's atonement.

The Christ of us Christians says “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes atonement).

Christ's atonement is finished and complete and always succeeds as per the Christ saying “It is finished!"!

Christ's teaching is that atonement makes a person "at one" with God by God's grace for God's glory (John 17)!

On the contrary, Free-willian Philosophy results in Christ's failure atonement.

Christ's failure atonement is for the whole world, and the whole world includes everyone everywhere in all time because a person free-will chooses to Christ.

Free-willians believe that Christ's atonement is unfinished in that (1) a person chooses Christ in order to allow Christ's atonement to apply to the person and (2) Christ's atonement applies to everyone everywhere in all time and (3) Christ doesn't know who will choose Christ; therefore, every person who chooses Christ results in that person adding to the Body of Christ without Christ's choice/consent, so Christ's atonement is unfinished despite Christ saying “It is finished!".

Yet, free-willians also believe the whole world includes everyone everywhere in all time which means this example representing fleshly people, dead in sin, ungodly multitude, unbelievers applies to this examination of Free-willian Philosophy:

• if Tom of the world chooses to believe in Christ before he dies, then God must profit Tom with eternal life being saved from the wrath of God.
• if Nancy of the world chooses to believe not in Christ right until her dying thoughts, then God must punish Nancy with eternal damnation being under the wrath of God.
• The conclusion: Christ's atonement succeeded in saving Tom of the world, and Christ's atonement failed in saving Nancy of the world.

So, free-willians believe in Christ's failure atonement.

We Christians know that Christ's atonement always succeeds!

 

[TibiasDad]

So, free-willians believe in Christ's failure atonement.

How do we believe it to be a failure?
Can you quote any “free-willian” that Christ’s atonement failed?

We Christians know that Christ's atonement always succeeds!

Am I to take this to imply that we who disagree with your views are not Christians? Christ’s atonement reconciled the world to God:

2 Cor 5:16So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! 18All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

All people are reconciled to God through Christ! God can now forgive us; he has chosen to not hold our sins against us in order that we might become his righteousness. This is the message of the gospel- we have been reconciled to God; come to him and be received in Christ!

The atonement does not save in and of itself, it just allows God the means of forgiving so that salvation/reconciliation can be fulfilled. That’s why our message is “Be reconciled to God!”


Doug

 

[civic]

How do we believe it to be a failure?
Can you quote any “free-willian” that Christ’s atonement failed?



Am I to take this to imply that we who disagree with your views are not Christians? Christ’s atonement reconciled the world to God:

2 Cor 5:16So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! 18All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

All people are reconciled to God through Christ! God can now forgive us; he has chosen to not hold our sins against us in order that we might become his righteousness. This is the message of the gospel- we have been reconciled to God; come to him and be received in Christ!

The atonement does not save in and of itself, it just allows God the means of forgiving so that salvation/reconciliation can be fulfilled. That’s why our message is “Be reconciled to God!”


Doug

Amen as we can see the opposition makes the gospel null and void.

 

[Joe]

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished!” Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit (John 19:30).

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world (1 John 2:2.

Christ's finished atonement is for the whole world, and the whole world includes exclusively the persons whom the Christ chooses as recipients for Christ's atonement.

Our Lord's death that He experienced-tasted was for everyone.

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.​

And in His death, the free gift of being righteous before God came to all men, likened to Adam's one sin condemned all men.

Rom 5:17-18 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.​

And the free gift that results to justification to eternal life is received by whoever believes in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.​

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Rom 5:1, 8-9 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,..But God commends his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God’s wrath through him.​

Your declaration that the whole world is exclusive only to whom our Lord chooses defeats the purpose of saying the whole world, everyone, all men. It is like someone at work announcing, "I will give a free gift to the whole workplace", and then only give the gift to a few people of his choosing instead of what he announced. What do you think of someone who is deceptive in that manner?

And you have it wrong that our Lord Jesus Christ chooses who comes to Him. He said, "All those whom the Father gives me will come to me". And to clear it up, He also said, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who hears from the Father, and has learned, comes to me."

The prerequisite to coming to our Lord is that they hear what the Father says in the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and learns from it of their condemned position and His salvation. This is why we preach the Gospel, for without hearing God's message of His Son how can they believe as the Apostle Paul states in Romans 10.


God Bless

 

[Kampioen]

On the contrary, Free-willian Philosophy results in Christ's failure atonement.

[*]The conclusion: Christ's atonement succeeded in saving Tom of the world, and Christ's atonement failed in saving Nancy of the world.
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So, free-willians believe in Christ's failure atonement.

The atonement doesn't provide faith. So lack of faith doesn't imply a failure of the atonement.

Otherwise people would already be forgiven when Christ died rather than living dead in sin for years before ever having faith as if a lacking or delayed atonement rather than a finished atonement.