Christ's Finished Atonement or Christ's Failure Atonement

[Kermos]

you just contradicted yourself by answering yes since you limit the atonement.

next fallcy

You see the whole world from the perspective of fleshly, earthy, natural state as in Adam (1 Corinthians 15:47).

I see the whole world from the perspective of Godly, heavenly, spiritual as in Christ (1 Corinthians 15:48).

You see the whole world as everyone everywhere in all time.

I see the whole world as everyone making up the population of the Kingdom of God.

Your belief is that Christ's atonement results in unforgiven sin for people like Nancy (see the opening post).

My belief is that Christ's atonement results in forgiven sin with complete success because Lord Jesus Christ "He is the atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world" (1 John 2:2)!

 

[Obadiah]

Calivie-wow-iszem is so wrong and must be rejected because of its false doctrine of Unconditional Election, which teaches that God chooses some individuals for salvation apart from any foreseen faith or response.

This view portrays God as arbitrary, undermining both His justice and love. Scripture testifies repeatedly that God desires all to be saved (1 Tim 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9) and that Christ died for all (1 John 2:2; Heb 2:9).

Election, properly understood, is corporate and positional—centered in Christ (Eph 1:4). Individuals are elect in Him, not elected to be placed into Him. God’s foreknowledge includes His omniscient awareness of those who would freely believe the gospel (Rom 8:29; 1 Pet 1:1-2).

The Calivies view makes divine election mechanical and void of relational engagement. It ignores the clear biblical teaching that God’s call is sincere and that He honors faith wherever it is found (Acts 10:34-35). The universal offer of salvation is genuine, not a theological formality masking an exclusive decree.