How do you resolve the root of the problem? The root of the problem is that Allah does not forgive shirk no matter how many times you play football together. How is that problem resolved?
The mediocrity of Unitarianism. Where are the "John the Beloveds" in Unitarianism?
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Pancho Frijoles
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A Muslim doesn’t understand what shirk really is by attending a madrasa, but by experiencing the pain and frustration of shirk is in his own life. I mean experiencing hell, experiencing being rescued with the help of a Christian and then talking with others about what happened.
By the same token, a Christian will not understand what the anti-Christ is by reading the Bible, until he experiences separation from God, salvation with the help of a Muslim, and then the joy of sharing with others what happened.
Nowhere does the Quran say that Allah will absolve Christians of shirk if they rescue Muslims. Allah is the root problem. As a Doctor, if you do not remedy the root problem you can be accused of malpractice. How is this not malpractice in the spiritual realm?
Nowhere does the Bible say that the Cross can be made superfluous if a Muslim helps you to experience "salvation".
What's happening is that you're siding on the side of Allah by promoting Unitarianism. Your colleagues are softening up the battleground so that Islam can then step in and finish the battle once and for all.
Runningman
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Sinergy ran away from my question. Go figure.
Runningman
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The fact that Jesus even had to consider equality with God means that he isn't himself God. God considering equality with Himself is nonsense theology. You clearly aren't understanding this passage.
civic
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so says running man, the irony.
Runningman
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Ah, that explains a few things. Thank you for clarifying.
civic
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You still divert from the point
You have done this over and over
How could the word be an impersonal thing that could exist in the form of God with a mind and consider or count and empty himself
Philippians 2:5–7 (ESV) — 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
You simply ignored the point I have raised multiple times and your theology could never address
and so once again you dodge running as per a Runningman
praise_yeshua
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There is no repenting without going through the Son. You're not being true to Christianity. There is only One "go between".
So the Son still hates the tax collector?
Think before you make such false claims. Do you not know of a tax collector among the disciples? I bet you don't. Christianity is not your faith.
praise_yeshua
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Runningman
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Since one person is not the other then Jesus is not God. Otherwise, this would read like "who, though he was in the form of the Trinity, did not count equality with the Trinity a thing to be grasped"
Hey genius, why would an alleged member of the alleged trinity need to consider equality with the trinity?
Runningman
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Your theology seems to be that God needed to consider equality with God. This is rank nonsense in the way you are interpreting this passage and suggests that the church of Philippi are also God. It's because you don't understand that God is a person, not a group of persons. Furthermore, Paul told them to have the mind of Jesus. Consideration is something someone has in their mind, so Paul essentially told the church to consider the same things Jesus considered. Paul was not suggesting Jesus thought he was equal to God. You're taking your god man theology wayyyyy too far.
praise_yeshua
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You would think they would actually try to understand what we believe before attacking it. Atheists are no different.
praise_yeshua
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This is really "rich" coming from someone that believes Roman is an actual language. So how old are you? Did you know what Jesus knew at 12 years old?
Are you better than Jesus?
civic
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no its not true the fact is He is equal and that was not something He had to reach for, grasp at or try and attain.
next fallacy
Still dodging the point and living up to your name
How could the word be an impersonal thing that could exist in the form of God with a mind and consider or count and empty himself
Philippians 2:5–7 (ESV) — 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
You simply ignored the point I have raised multiple times and your theology could never address
and so once again you dodge, running and confirming yourself as a Runningman
praise_yeshua
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You don't believe Muslim needs to be rescued. Just like you don't believe Cornelius needed to even know about Christ.
Why are you being so dishonest in this? Be true to what you believe. You're "playing" all sides. There is a distinct "side" within Christianity. The side is "named" by the word itself.
You're not really a Christian. You can be, but you're currently are not a follower of Jesus Christ. If you were, you'd be like John the Beloved.
praise_yeshua
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He doesn't believe Jesus is better in any way. No man can speak this way about Jesus Christ and then "claim" to love Him.
In "works" he denies Christ.
The apostles were murdered for what they "spoke".
I am a better person since denying myself and turned to God who I believe gave me to His Son Jesus for cleansing. Isn't that the whole purpose of the Gospel of Christ, to change men for the good? You know I never said "Jesus made me just like Him". What I said, and you know I said, is that the purpose of the Holy Scriptures in the first place, The purpose of the Gospel of Christ in the first place, is to show us in the Way that we should go, and lead us to be a better man, a perfect man in God's Eyes, "like Jesus".
2 Tim. 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
But like Jesus said, only those who are "Doers" of His Sayings will stand, will endure, and really Love Him.
So you preach that I cannot please God. That I don't Love Jesus. That I don't obey Him. And then you claim all men are on this same level as you. Then you try to drag me down to your level, in the same way the mainstream preachers of Jesus Time tried to drag HIM down to their level. I don't think you know this or would want this, but the very definition of "deceived" is to believe what is not true.
But the Church of God, the Body of Christ is not now, nor has ever been at this level you claim you and all men are in. They are a separate people. Purchased by God with the Blood of His Son. We are told not to be like the "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but don't obey Him. Jesus said of those hypocrites who attend their manmade shrines of worship and praise Him with their lips, "Be ye not therefore like unto them". All men are not on the same level.
So PY, you are simply wrong and in need of correction. All men have sinned, but all men are not at the same level. To preach such foolishness, is to preach that the Spirit of God which was in Christ Jesus is powerless against your flesh. Instead of justifying yourself and defending your every word, please consider the following. And remember, God even used an *** once to correct a man He Loved. Don't judge me, engage with me.
Tell me, Was Paul speaking about the Church of God, the Body of Christ in Romans 3, or those who "professed to know God but by their works denied him?
Rom. 3: 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
This is the level you are dragging me and others down to, saying all men are on this same level with you. But "ALL" men are not on this level. These are men "who work iniquity". Who have the Oracles of God but don't believe them. These are men who slander Paul and the Body of Christ with baseless accusations, "Whose damnation is just". These are men who "profess to know God" but by their works deny Him.
All men have sinned, this is true. But all men's throat is not an open sepulchre. After all, "God is in the Generation of the righteous", and Jesus is their refuge. So again, you preach to the world that "all men are at the same level", and you work to drag me down to your level. But when I actually consider what is written, I find your religious philosophy in this matter a falsehood. There are Faithful men who call Jesus Lord, and there are men who call Jesus Lord, Lord who are not Faithful. I simply believe we should, with all our heart, might and strength, "RISE" to the level of Jesus and the examples of Faithful men HE gave us. Knowing that if His Father's Spirit is in us, we can be One with Jesus and His Father, even as Jesus was One with His Father.
Heb. 12: 1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about "with so great a cloud of witnesses", let us lay aside every weight, "and the sin which doth so easily beset us", and let us run with patience "the race that is set before us", 2 Looking unto Jesus the "author and finisher" of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down "at the right hand of the throne of God".
You are not the only one who doubts or refuses to believe in the ability of Jesus to lead those who His Father gives to Him out of sin, and into Righteousness.
But I do believe Him and Love Him will all my heart. So I won't be dragged down by you to your level. But I would invite you to Press for the Prize of the "HIGH" Calling of God that was in the Jesus "of the Bible". Use HIS Words to "lift people up" unto righteousness and true Holiness, not drag them down.
