The Issue of Limited Atonement

[brightfame52]

I know what it means. You're ignoring your presupposition that they are saved before they heard the Gospel.

We know that isn't true because the Scriptures says otherwise.

Here. I'll post it again.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

They can't be saved until they hear and they can't hear without a preacher. They can't believe until a preacher preaches, they hear the Gospel and believe.

It is impossible. I'm so glad we know you're a deceiver by knowing the Scriptures.

Also you may want to read what I posted here:

Thread 'Thou Shalt Be Saved - An Exposition of Romans 10:9'

Jul 5, 2025

Many today misunderstand Rom 10:9 and find a way to from it teach a conditional salvation, however its not, its more of a giving evidence one is saved and shall be saved. This article is very enlightening:

Thou Shalt Be Saved - An Exposition of Romans 10:9​

How shalt thou be saved? This is a great question of the scriptures. And the answer is given to us in Romans 10:9 which states, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." This verse of scripture answers many of the...

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[jeremiah1five]

Wishful thinking Christ gives remission of sins, and He is the Blessing of Abraham

Trusting in the flesh. The Spirit hadn't been given yet because Christ hadn't been sacrificed and He was still in the future. You're just making things up. The Abraham Covenant did not include atonement for sin.

 

[brightfame52]

Trusting in the flesh. The Spirit hadn't been given yet because Christ hadn't been sacrificed and He was still in the future. You're just making things up. The Abraham Covenant did not include atonement for sin.

The Abrahamic Covenant included Christ the author of the forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

31 Him[Christ] hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

When it says in Abrahams seed all nations shall be blessed, forgiveness of sins is part of that blessing

BTW Israel in the above scripture isnt national ethnic israel, but a Spiritual Nation Israel, the Body of Christ, New Covenant Israel of God

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Abrahamic Covenant included Christ the author of the forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

31 Him[Christ] hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

When it says in Abrahams seed all nations shall be blessed, forgiveness of sins is part of that blessing

BTW Israel in the above scripture isnt national ethnic israel, but a Spiritual Nation Israel, the Body of Christ, New Covenant Israel of God

AGAIN, the Abraham Covenant is described in Genesis 12, 15, and 17. There is nothing in this covenant that grants atonement to Abraham and his seed. There is no sacrifice, no high priest, no Tabernacle or Temple, no altar, NOTHING!
NOTHING!
I'm done with you and your heresy.

 

[praise_yeshua]

To make something known means:

to announce something publicly or to disclose information, especially something that was previously hidden or secret. It can involve sharing news, opinions, or facts with a wider audience

There forgiveness was previously secret or hidden,, they weren't aware that God had forgiven them for Christs sake. People are not born with that knowledge.

God has forgiven this entire world.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

You might understand this better one day. I hope you do.

 

[brightfame52]

AGAIN, the Abraham Covenant is described in Genesis 12, 15, and 17. There is nothing in this covenant that grants atonement to Abraham and his seed. There is no sacrifice, no high priest, no Tabernacle or Temple, no altar, NOTHING!
NOTHING!
I'm done with you and your heresy.

Christ gives forgiveness Abrahams seed

 

[brightfame52]

God has forgiven this entire world.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

You might understand this better one day. I hope you do.

False teaching God has not forgiven the entire world

 

[jeremiah1five]

God has forgiven this entire world.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

You might understand this better one day. I hope you do.

Universalism is Unbiblical.

Saul is addressing Jews and Jewish Christians ar Corinth. This fellowship was founded by born-again Jews who traveled to Jerusalem on the Pentecost immediately following Jesus' crucifixion and ascension ca. AD 42. Three thousand Jews were born-again by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL - Joel, who returned to their homes and synagogues taking with them their experience with the Holy Spirit, an outline of Peter's sermon and a witness of Jesus Christ who was taught in the Scripture the coming of the Deliverer and King of Israel. Shortly after returning with the witness of their Messiah and King died on a tree, which to the Jews under the Law meant anyone who hung on a tree (in this case, Jesus' crucifixion) was cursed. This truth was a stumbling block to Jews and Judaizers who could not reconcile Jesus' death with this point under the Law of Moses. First, Jewish Christians were excommunicated from the synagogues and began to gather in homes of Jewish Christians, and this is how their fellowship/church began at Corinth.
Jesus died for the covenant people of God, and this means Israel for they were God's Chosen people and were promised a Redeemer who would conquer Israel's enemies and sit on David's throne. This prophecy is yet future.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians 4:4–5.

This truth is undeniable.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Christ gives forgiveness Abrahams seed

Believe as you will but no atonement is included in the Abraham Covenant but is provided for in the Mosaic Covenant.

If there was atonement provided for under the Abraham Covenant Saul would have said so. Instead, he refers to the Mosaic Covenant as the vehicle of Israel's deliverance from their enemies and God's enemies.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Galatians 3:22–24.

God ordained the Law of Moses as the mechanism and vehicle of Israel's salvation and deliverance.

 

[brightfame52]

Believe as you will but no atonement is included in the Abraham Covenant but is provided for in the Mosaic Covenant.

If there was atonement provided for under the Abraham Covenant Saul would have said so. Instead, he refers to the Mosaic Covenant as the vehicle of Israel's deliverance from their enemies and God's enemies.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Galatians 3:22–24.

God ordained the Law of Moses as the mechanism and vehicle of Israel's salvation and deliverance.

Do you believe Christ Jesus has anything to do with the Abrahamic Covenant ?

 

[brightfame52]

Believe as you will but no atonement is included in the Abraham Covenant but is provided for in the Mosaic Covenant.

If there was atonement provided for under the Abraham Covenant Saul would have said so. Instead, he refers to the Mosaic Covenant as the vehicle of Israel's deliverance from their enemies and God's enemies.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Galatians 3:22–24.

God ordained the Law of Moses as the mechanism and vehicle of Israel's salvation and deliverance.

Were there any Gentile proselytes under the Law of Moses ?