The Issue of Limited Atonement

[jeremiah1five]

The New testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament.Havent you ever heard, the Old Test was the New Test concealed, and New Test the Old Test revealed ?

I agree. The apostles did not contradict the Old Testament.
It's YOUR interpretation of the New Testament that is WRONG.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Oh, and I forgot to mention: God doesn't lie. So the fact that what God says contradicts your personal beliefs should make you question your beliefs, not question what God says.

The Old Testament were written by Hebrew prophets sent specifically to Israel.
God never sanctioned the New Testament letters. However, I believe they were written inspired of God and are a very good explanation of the New Covenant era Israel found itself in. God never sanctioned a "new "Bible. But the apostles wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians explaining the things taking place in Israel and among Jews in Gentile lands is the Acts of the Holy Spirit and the LETTERS; are written by Jews to Jews explaining through study of the Old Testament prophecies and promises that Israel was indeed in the New Covenant era prophesied by Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Moses, and Jole, and their explanations of the Old Testament text is rightly divided.
It is YOUR interpretation that is WRONG.

 

[Doug Brents]

Unnecessary.

Certainly it is unnecessary for you to study the Scripture. Since seem to know more than God about what Scripture means.

The foundation is the Old Testament. Any interpretation that violates what is written in the Old Testament is wrong.

Not necessarily. All through the OT, not a single person would have read Hos 11:1 and thought it meant anything other than exactly what it says, Out of Egypt, God called the nation of Israel. Yet when we read Matt 2:15, we get a whole new perspective on what Hosea meant, and see that it was not only talking about what had happened, but was a prophecy about what would happen. New information gives new insight into what the OT passages mean.

Study the Old Testament. Once you understand that then you are in a better position to interpret the New Testament epistles considering the Old Testament to come to the knowledge of the truth.

The New Testament complements the Old Testament. It's YOUR interpretation that is wrong.
Saul and the writers of the New Covenant letters agree with the Old Testament. It's YOUR interpretation that is WRONG.

God gave the Apostles, including Paul/Saul greater understanding of the OT Scripture so that they could see how He fulfilled all of what was written in the OT, and so they could more perfectly instruct the Church in its beginning.
Again, read Gal 3:8 which looks back to Gen 12:3 and Gen 22:18. Paul is giving us greater insight into what God was telling Abraham.

All of mankind, Jews and Gentiles alike, are brought into the New Covenant with Christ. There is no longer a division between Jews and Gentiles as we are told in Eph 2:14-15.

 

[Doug Brents]

The Old Testament were written by Hebrew prophets sent specifically to Israel.
God never sanctioned the New Testament letters. However, I believe they were written inspired of God

Wait a minute here. God didn't sanction them, but He inspired them? He literally breathed them into the writers yet He didn't sanction them?

and are a very good explanation of the New Covenant era Israel found itself in. God never sanctioned a "new "Bible. But the apostles wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians explaining the things taking place in Israel and among Jews in Gentile lands is the Acts of the Holy Spirit and the LETTERS; are written by Jews to Jews explaining through study of the Old Testament prophecies and promises that Israel was indeed in the New Covenant era prophesied by Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Moses, and Jole, and their explanations of the Old Testament text is rightly divided.
It is YOUR interpretation that is WRONG.

Sorry, but your Jew-focused blinders are what is wrong. The NT Letters were written to Christ followers of every nation and tongue. Read the introductions to each letter again. They are written to the saints in each place or area. Not to Jewish saints. Not to Jewish leaders. Not to Jewish heroes. But to the saints, period. There are, and were even then, saints among the Jews and among the Gentiles (many more Gentile saints today than there are Jewish saints).

 

[brightfame52]

It doesn't matter whether you read what I post or not. What matters is that you read all of what Scripture says, and accept it as truth.
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned."
Read the verse carefully, and work through all of the phrases (hint: don't skip a word).
Sin entered into the world through one man's (Adam's) sin.
Death came into the world through sin.
Death then spread to all mankind.
Why did death spread to all mankind?
Was it because everyone was born of Adam's seed? No.
Was it because everyone was born in a world where death existed? No.
Finish the verse and God tells us why death spread to everyone: "because all sinned."

You don't have to agree with me, but you do have to accept what Scripture says. Let Scripture adjust your doctrine. Don't try to force Scripture to conform to your doctrine.

What's your obsession ? I already showed you about Rom 5:12

 

[brightfame52]

I agree. The apostles did not contradict the Old Testament.
It's YOUR interpretation of the New Testament that is WRONG.

Thats your opinion, I feel the same about you. We will see one day in the Judgment.

 

[TomL]

All men had a solidarity in Adam, when he sinned, all his seed in him sinned, and as promised, they died, be dead Rom 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. Christs Seed is only the elect as He is, the seed of Abraham.

You ignored how the phrase all people was employed.

The many died because they had sinned.

Romans 5:12 (LEB) — 12 Because of this, just as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death spread to all people because all sinned.

Adam brought death into the world, and all people have faced this because they have sinned.

BTW look at the phrase all people. It does not mean all the elect

The same phrase appears here

Titus 2:11 (LEB) — 11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,