The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[Studyman]

You know what is funny about this......... I mean it is really ludacris on your part.......

Tell me how you differ from those that fell in the wilderness? Please do tell just how much better you are than them?

I'm not better than they are PY. God is no respecter of persons. I am given these examples so that I don't lust for disobedience like they did. If I adopt your religion, which follows their religious lifestyle, God will reward me according to my works, in the same way HE rewarded them. It is you who believes you are better than they, in that you have been convinced you can treat God the same way they did, but as long as you do so "in Christ's Name" you will be treated differently.

I don't believe the Scriptures support this religious philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting.

After all, Paul did say:

1 Cor. 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written "for our admonition", upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore (Because of these truths) let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Then read a little more.

Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

You're not good enough. You never will be.

It isn't about "being good enough", that is just another religious slogan you have adopted in order to justify your disobedience. God was not angry with everyone who came out of Egypt. Only those who despised His Judgments, polluted His Sabbaths, and full well rejected His commandments so they could walk in their own religious traditions.

The Hubris is actually believing that because you choose to live by these standards, so must everyone else. This is why you try so hard to drag others "down" to your level.

I don't believe I am better than you, I just believe Jesus is better than you. That is why I choose to listen to Him, and not you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'm not better than they are PY. God is no respecter of persons. I am given these examples so that I don't lust for disobedience like they did. If I adopt your religion, which follows their religious lifestyle, God will reward me according to my works, in the same way HE rewarded them. It is you who believes you are better than they, in that you have been convinced you can treat God the same way they did, but as long as you do so "in Christ's Name" you will be treated differently.

So you have lusted. Why are you not dead already according the requirements for your judgment?

I certainly believe it is obvious you believe you please God more than I do. I didn't say anything about "respect of persons". God doesn't have one standard for me and one standard for you. In this we can agree. We disagree on what standard that is. You find value in keeping that standard without deviation when in reality you do not keep the standards you claim for yourself.

It isn't about "being good enough", that is just another religious slogan you have adopted in order to justify your disobedience. God was not angry with everyone who came out of Egypt. Only those who despised His Judgments, polluted His Sabbaths, and full well rejected His commandments so they could walk in their own religious traditions.

The Hubris is actually believing that because you choose to live by these standards, so must everyone else. This is why you try so hard to drag others "down" to your level.

I don't believe I am better than you, I just believe Jesus is better than you. That is why I choose to listen to Him, and not you.

I never said God was angry with everyone that came out of Egypt. The faithful existed in Egypt. They existed among those who were not faithful. (same is true today). The law was added for those rebels who displeased God. The law was a teaching aid.

Abraham didn't follow the requirements of the law. You haven't either. Abraham pleased God. Yet, at times Abraham didn't. He was still the friend of God. He never stopped being the friend of God. You have a fundamental issue with how you view acceptance by God. God doesn't fear sin. God allows sinfulness to teach the unwilling their inabilities. The proof of your inadequacies are in your inabilities to live without sinning. A man left to himself, will bring his mother to shame. A person left to himself requires laws to govern them and teach them. When you have Jesus Christ, you have the best. You more than what some law could ever do.

The law is a mirror. It is really sad that you actually believe the Jesus needed a law to know and please God. It is really is a farce.

 

[Studyman]

How is your son doing? Are you a good father? I can't see it myself. There is a reason the children of Israel fell. It was because of their fathers. Their parents lead them into destruction.

There comes a time in every child's life where they MUST live their own lives. If they only live YOUR LIFE.... then they will never genuinely care for what you care for.

You are a very simplistic overbearing individual that has cast your own imagination upon what you see in "God". You desire to possess and control everything. That is what you pass onto your children. It is what has been passed on to you. You void the teachings of God in such imaginations.

Your perpetual judgments notwithstanding, the Jesus "of the Bible" never instructed His people to "Go and try to sin no more". Or if you want to enter life, "Try to keep the commandments". Paul didn't say "Let him that stole (Try not to) steal no more: but rather let him labour etc.

By adding these words to the Holy Scriptures, men deceive themselves by giving themself an excuse for their lack of love and respect for God. You will say, "But Lord, Lord, I tried"? But it's a lie and Jesus knows it.

Instead, I advocate against adopting your religion which adds your own words to God and His Son's instruction. Rather, I advocate that God knows men even without you, and has given men all that they need to Love Him and honor Him with obedience. I believe in this "Way" because I believe in God and His Son who HE sent, not in this world's religious sects and businesses whose philosophies you have adopted and are now promoting to others.

1 Cor. 10: 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who "will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able"; but will "with the temptation" also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. (Not "try and flee from idolatry" as your religion promotes.

Instead of making up or looking for excuses for your lack of respect and honor towards God, why not have some Faith, and look for the escapes HE has promised to provide to keep you from Sin? Or did some preacher convince you that God singled you out personally and doesn't offer you the same escapes He promised all others? You poor bully, God has treated you unfairly, and for no reason. But wait a minute, what if God isn't the unjust one at all, and it is you and your adopted religion that is the source of your perpetual sins. Maybe it's this world's religious sects whose philosophies you have adopted and are now promoting that is the reason why you are so blinded to HIS Promises.

Shouldn't a man consider these things before it's too late for him?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Your perpetual judgments notwithstanding, the Jesus "of the Bible" never instructed His people to "Go and try to sin no more". Or if you want to enter life, "Try to keep the commandments". Paul didn't say "Let him that stole (Try not to) steal no more: but rather let him labour etc.

Any effort is accurately classified as "trying" when that effort results in failure.

You fail. Thusly, you were trying to do something and failed.

By adding these words to the Holy Scriptures, men deceive themselves by giving themself an excuse for their lack of love and respect for God. You will say, "But Lord, Lord, I tried"? But it's a lie and Jesus knows it.

No. There is no excuse to be found when we fail. Which is why we must express FAITH that God will forgive us when we fail. You must believe you never fail. I know better. You're a man that is incapable of doing good and failing not.

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Instead, I advocate against adopting your religion which adds your own words to God and His Son's instruction. Rather, I advocate that God knows men even without you, and has given men all that they need to Love Him and honor Him with obedience. I believe in this "Way" because I believe in God and His Son who HE sent, not in this world's religious sects and businesses whose philosophies you have adopted and are now promoting to others.

You don't understand how language works. Your argument is ridiculous. You use the ole "God never said".... fallacy as if it is meaningful. Well.... I have news for you. Languages expand. Languages overlap. You've never once give a thought as to how words overlap. It is called "semantic overlap". This is really childish of you. Extremely childish.

Instead of focusing on the "word itself".... it would do you good to understand what words actually mean.

When my son wouldn't believe me, you know what I did? I told him to go ahead and do exactly what he read without any thoughts as to what it meant. He soon found out that following the letter of "words" without understanding their place in communications will get you into trouble. You're a perfect example.

Yes. Telling a rebel in heart to do something often reveals to that unbelieving childish person just what they are. I've been trying to communicate facts or our existence in this life to you and you want to "word parse" over my use of the word "try"....... I'm getting tired of working with adult children here........

1 Cor. 10: 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who "will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able"; but will "with the temptation" also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. (Not "try and flee from idolatry" as your religion promotes.

Instead of making up or looking for excuses for your lack of respect and honor towards God, why not have some Faith, and look for the escapes HE has promised to provide to keep you from Sin? Or did some preacher convince you that God singled you out personally and doesn't offer you the same escapes He promised all others? You poor bully, God has treated you unfairly, and for no reason. But wait a minute, what if God isn't the unjust one at all, and it is you and your adopted religion that is the source of your perpetual sins. Maybe it's this world's religious sects whose philosophies you have adopted and are now promoting that is the reason why you are so blinded to HIS Promises.

Shouldn't a man consider these things before it's too late for him?

You're not keeping commandments yourself. Do you not believe you're dishonoring God? Physician. Heal thyself. I get tired of saying this. You have the delusional belief that YOU are actually pleasing God with all these "things" that make up your requirements/standards. You're not. You know how I know you're not? YOU'RE A MAN. You sin just like everyone else. You are a victim of circumstances. Many of those circumstances of not of your own making.

Can you tell me the last time you sinned and what you did about it?

If you asked God to forgive you, then "YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH" by your own standards. You're walking talking self contradiction.

If I give you a scenario where you can't win in temptation. Will you at least admit that you don't really understand 1 Cor 10? I've had this argument before with a local Arminian here. I have it again but you're not even close to understanding what you read in these verses. There are scenarios where you can't win in temptation. Temptation itself is sin. You can escape the results of temptation but you can't avoid temptation entirely. The reason you can't is due to what you know about evil. Your mind is already been influenced by your past experiences. You can't control your mind to the point of avoiding temptation.

 

[Studyman]

Like I said. You don't know how to establish the Sabbath.

God has already established His Sabbath. I was born into the same planet Paul was, ender the same heavens that Jesus walked under. God established the 7 Day week same for me as for Paul. I don't believe in your god who doesn't have the wherewithal to provide me the ability to honor Him with obedience to His Commandments, same as HE did for His Son, and for Paul.

That knowledge is lost to us. In the context of timing, there is no understanding left as to when these "days" happen. Have you ever really studied the details of such?

You need to seek out the "other voice" in the garden to justify your rebellion against God and His Simple instruction regarding a day HE esteemed above others. And you, like Eve, has found your voice and have adopted it instead of God's inspired Word, just as Eve did. For me, I'm perfectly happy to accept that God even knew of this world that I would be born into. That I too, like Israel, would be shown the Gospel of Christ. And that I have been given the capacity to honor Him in His Commandments, the same as Paul and Caleb and Zacharias did. And although I am a nobody, I understand the story about Eve and the "other voice" in the garden God placed her in who also "Professed to know God", and I understand the warning Jesus gave to me regarding listening to the "Many" who call Him Lord, Lord but refuse to submit to the righteousness of God. Not because I haven't studied the Bible, but because I HAVE studied the Bible.

You are free to seek out the wisdom of other sources.

I don't believe you have. I'm getting tired of arguing with you. Don't get me wrong. I don't mind having this conversation at all but it is becoming fruitless.

I can only hope that you would stop trying to turn me and others against God and His Instruction in righteousness, but I have come to believe it is your mission.

Stop this "eyes of men" nonsense that keeps districting from this conversation. You are just as much of a product of those before us as any of us. You have no moral superiority.

But God and His Son does. That is why I advocate that men should listen to them, and not the philosophies and traditions of this world's religious businesses and sects you have place your trust in and are now promoting to others.

You are limited by their choices and the circumstances their choices created in us.

Jesus teaches otherwise. At least, the Jesus "of the bible"

Within the context of "time" and seasons. We have no starting context of when what we now observe..... began.

Sure we do. I was placed by God on the same earth that Paul was placed on. I have the same Scriptures Paul had. The days, months and years are the same for me that they were for Paul. The stars have not changed or moved even an inch between the time Paul saw them, and when I saw them.

This world's religious businesses and sects have always polluted God's Sabbaths, just as the religions of men in Paul's time did, and David's Time, and Ezekiel's Time.

It is written, "There is no New Thing under the Sun". But your entire religion in founded on the unbelief of God's Word. No different than Eve, Cain, and those who fell in Israel. Nothing has changed at all, and in this I have hope.

Thusly, you have no idea when you follow the "Sabbath" timing if you're right or not.

I have no idea if God even exists. I simply choose to believe that HE does with all my heart. I have no idea if the Bible is His Inspired Word, I simply choose to believe that it is with all my heart. I don't have any idea if the Jesus "of the Bible" actually walked the earth, but I believe with all my heart that He did. Maybe God is a liar, as you imply, and maybe HE just isn't capable of directing me in the way that I should go, as you promote here in this thread. And maybe you and your adopted religious philosophers know better than what is written in Scriptures. But I choose to believe them "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works" over your adopted religion

Nothing you say will turn me away from the way of life promoted by the Christ "of the bible".

The "seventh day" currently has no context to follow. It is not just any seventh day that must be observed. It is in order of creation. There are problems with both lunar and solar calendars.

To believe you, I would have to believe God didn't know what HE was doing when HE inspired the Holy scriptures or created His Instruction in Righteousness. In this Philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting, you are giving yourself the power to pick and choose what Words of God you are willing to accept as truth, and what Words are unworthy of your honor and respect and judged as lies. It's nothing different than what Eve was convinced to do, and Cain, and EVERY EXAMPLE of sinful men given us in the entire Bible.

I know how seductive and popular this religious philosophy you are promoting is, the Bible warns of it from the beginning to the end.

But the mind of Christ in me, says "Be ye therefore not like unto them".

They are not absolutes. The closest we can come to absolutes is when Jesus Christ gave His life. In the context of our time now, we can't know what exact day that was.

Abraham knew what exact day that was as well. Zacharias and Simeon knew what day that was too. And so did Israel, and David. I could do just like you do and seek out scholars and theologians who have convinced a lot of people that Jesus never raised from the dead. You choose what "other voices" in the garden God placed you in, to adopt and promote according to the religious traditions of your fathers. No different than the Pharisees. You know this is true, but you won't admit it on a public forum. Here is what God inspired the wisest man to live in the Law and Prophets.

Ecc. 12: 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

And even this man was deceived because he chose to listen to the religions of the world God placed him in.

Thusly, you can't fulfill your own requirements in keeping any context of the sabbath.

It's God's requirements that I am interested in, that HE made for man. There is nothing in the entire Bible to support your philosophy here. You had to go to the "other voice" in the garden God placed you in, for this philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting. I'm going with what the Scriptures teach about God and His instruction in righteousness.

Time to shake the dust.

 

[praise_yeshua]

God has already established His Sabbath. I was born into the same planet Paul was, ender the same heavens that Jesus walked under. God established the 7 Day week same for me as for Paul. I don't believe in your god who doesn't have the wherewithal to provide me the ability to honor Him with obedience to His Commandments, same as HE did for His Son, and for Paul.

I'm going to try this one last time. I can't believe I'm having to "spell this out" to you in such a manner.....

When did that 7 day cycle began? If you do not know when that cycle began, you will be worshipping upon the wrong "day" of the week. The Sabbath can't be part of just any ole 7 day cycle. Your 7 day cycle has not context in either the Lunar calendars that now exists nor the solar calendars that now exist. You have NO context to judge what is exactly the 7th day at all.

Do you even know the days of the week we recognize are based upon paganism? Remember your "pagan" cross argument? Be consistent.


I ask that you don't combine what I say to in response with other responses. I'm not going to keep digging through your responses like this. I'm growing tired of your poor methods here.

Sure we do. I was placed by God on the same earth that Paul was placed on. I have the same Scriptures Paul had. The days, months and years are the same for me that they were for Paul. The stars have not changed or moved even an inch between the time Paul saw them, and when I saw them.

This world's religious businesses and sects have always polluted God's Sabbaths, just as the religions of men in Paul's time did, and David's Time, and Ezekiel's Time.

It is written, "There is no New Thing under the Sun". But your entire religion in founded on the unbelief of God's Word. No different than Eve, Cain, and those who fell in Israel. Nothing has changed at all, and in this I have hope.

So you actually don't know calendars have changed over time. Do you even know what calendar you're using now? Do you know about the missing days of various calendar.

The context of the 7 day cycle is unique and isn't based upon existing lunar and solar events. You have many things to learn. Yet, here you are insisting you already know. Faith in a mistake doesn't change a mistake.

I could get into leap years and etc but this should be enough.

 

[civic]

God has already established His Sabbath. I was born into the same planet Paul was, ender the same heavens that Jesus walked under. God established the 7 Day week same for me as for Paul. I don't believe in your god who doesn't have the wherewithal to provide me the ability to honor Him with obedience to His Commandments, same as HE did for His Son, and for Paul.



You need to seek out the "other voice" in the garden to justify your rebellion against God and His Simple instruction regarding a day HE esteemed above others. And you, like Eve, has found your voice and have adopted it instead of God's inspired Word, just as Eve did. For me, I'm perfectly happy to accept that God even knew of this world that I would be born into. That I too, like Israel, would be shown the Gospel of Christ. And that I have been given the capacity to honor Him in His Commandments, the same as Paul and Caleb and Zacharias did. And although I am a nobody, I understand the story about Eve and the "other voice" in the garden God placed her in who also "Professed to know God", and I understand the warning Jesus gave to me regarding listening to the "Many" who call Him Lord, Lord but refuse to submit to the righteousness of God. Not because I haven't studied the Bible, but because I HAVE studied the Bible.

You are free to seek out the wisdom of other sources.



I can only hope that you would stop trying to turn me and others against God and His Instruction in righteousness, but I have come to believe it is your mission.



But God and His Son does. That is why I advocate that men should listen to them, and not the philosophies and traditions of this world's religious businesses and sects you have place your trust in and are now promoting to others.




Jesus teaches otherwise. At least, the Jesus "of the bible"



Sure we do. I was placed by God on the same earth that Paul was placed on. I have the same Scriptures Paul had. The days, months and years are the same for me that they were for Paul. The stars have not changed or moved even an inch between the time Paul saw them, and when I saw them.

This world's religious businesses and sects have always polluted God's Sabbaths, just as the religions of men in Paul's time did, and David's Time, and Ezekiel's Time.

It is written, "There is no New Thing under the Sun". But your entire religion in founded on the unbelief of God's Word. No different than Eve, Cain, and those who fell in Israel. Nothing has changed at all, and in this I have hope.



I have no idea if God even exists. I simply choose to believe that HE does with all my heart. I have no idea if the Bible is His Inspired Word, I simply choose to believe that it is with all my heart. I don't have any idea if the Jesus "of the Bible" actually walked the earth, but I believe with all my heart that He did. Maybe God is a liar, as you imply, and maybe HE just isn't capable of directing me in the way that I should go, as you promote here in this thread. And maybe you and your adopted religious philosophers know better than what is written in Scriptures. But I choose to believe them "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works" over your adopted religion

Nothing you say will turn me away from the way of life promoted by the Christ "of the bible".



To believe you, I would have to believe God didn't know what HE was doing when HE inspired the Holy scriptures or created His Instruction in Righteousness. In this Philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting, you are giving yourself the power to pick and choose what Words of God you are willing to accept as truth, and what Words are unworthy of your honor and respect and judged as lies. It's nothing different than what Eve was convinced to do, and Cain, and EVERY EXAMPLE of sinful men given us in the entire Bible.

I know how seductive and popular this religious philosophy you are promoting is, the Bible warns of it from the beginning to the end.

But the mind of Christ in me, says "Be ye therefore not like unto them".



Abraham knew what exact day that was as well. Zacharias and Simeon knew what day that was too. And so did Israel, and David. I could do just like you do and seek out scholars and theologians who have convinced a lot of people that Jesus never raised from the dead. You choose what "other voices" in the garden God placed you in, to adopt and promote according to the religious traditions of your fathers. No different than the Pharisees. You know this is true, but you won't admit it on a public forum. Here is what God inspired the wisest man to live in the Law and Prophets.

Ecc. 12: 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

And even this man was deceived because he chose to listen to the religions of the world God placed him in.



It's God's requirements that I am interested in, that HE made for man. There is nothing in the entire Bible to support your philosophy here. You had to go to the "other voice" in the garden God placed you in, for this philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting. I'm going with what the Scriptures teach about God and His instruction in righteousness.

Time to shake the dust.

You do not understand the Sabbath much like the Pharisees.

The key to understanding how Jesus is our Sabbath rest is the Hebrew word sabat, which means "to rest or stop or cease from work." The origin of the Sabbath goes back to Creation. After creating the heavens and the earth in six days, God "rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made" (Genesis 2:2). This doesn’t mean that God was tired and needed a rest. We know that God is omnipotent, literally "all-powerful." He has all the power in the universe, He never tires, and His most arduous expenditure of energy does not diminish His power one bit. So, what does it mean that God rested on the seventh day? Simply that He stopped what He was doing. He ceased from His labors. This is important in understanding the establishment of the Sabbath day and the role of Christ as our Sabbath rest.

God used the example of His resting on the seventh day of Creation to establish the principle of the Sabbath day rest for His people. In Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15, God gave the Israelites the fourth of His Ten Commandments. They were to "remember" the Sabbath day and "keep it holy." One day out of every seven, they were to rest from their labors and give the same day of rest to their servants and animals. This was not just a physical rest, but a cessation of laboring. Whatever work they were engaged in was to stop for a full day each week. (Please read our other articles on the Sabbath day, Saturday vs. Sunday and Sabbath keeping to explore this issue further.) The Sabbath day was established so the people would rest from their labors, only to begin again after a one-day rest.

The various elements of the Sabbath symbolized the coming of the Messiah, who would provide a permanent rest for His people. Once again the example of resting from our labors comes into play. With the establishment of the Old Testament Law, the Jews were constantly "laboring" to make themselves acceptable to God. Their labors included trying to obey a myriad of do’s and don’ts of the ceremonial law, the Temple law, the civil law, etc. Of course they couldn’t possibly keep all those laws, so God provided an array of sin offerings and sacrifices so they could come to Him for forgiveness and restore fellowship with Him, but only temporarily. Just as they began their physical labors after a one-day rest, so, too, did they have to continue to offer sacrifices. Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law "can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship." But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God" (Hebrews 10:12). Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to "labor" in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided.

Another element of the Sabbath day rest which God instituted as a foreshadowing of our complete rest in Christ is that He blessed it, sanctified it, and made it holy. Here again we see the symbol of Christ as our Sabbath rest—the holy, perfect Son of God who sanctifies and makes holy all who believe in Him. God sanctified Christ, just as He sanctified the Sabbath day, and sent Him into the world (John 10:36) to be our sacrifice for sin. In Him we find complete rest from the labors of our self-effort, because He alone is holy and righteous. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Corinthians 5:21). We can now cease from our spiritual labors and rest in Him, not just one day a week, but always.

Jesus can be our Sabbath rest in part because He is "Lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8). As God incarnate, He decides the true meaning of the Sabbath because He created it, and He is our Sabbath rest in the flesh. When the Pharisees criticized Him for healing on the Sabbath, Jesus reminded them that even they, sinful as they were, would not hesitate to pull a sheep out of a pit on the Sabbath. Because He came to seek and save His sheep who would hear His voice (John 10:3,27) and enter into the Sabbath rest He provided by paying for their sins, He could break the Sabbath rules. He told the Pharisees that people are more important than sheep and the salvation He provided was more important than rules. By saying, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27), Jesus was restating the principle that the Sabbath rest was instituted to relieve man of his labors, just as He came to relieve us of our attempting to achieve salvation by our works. We no longer rest for only one day, but forever cease our laboring to attain God’s favor. Jesus is our rest from works now, just as He is the door to heaven, where we will rest in Him forever.

Hebrews 4 is the definitive passage regarding Jesus as our Sabbath rest. The writer to the Hebrews exhorts his readers to “enter in” to the Sabbath rest provided by Christ. After three chapters of telling them that Jesus is superior to the angels and that He is our Apostle and High Priest, he pleads with them to not harden their hearts against Him, as their fathers hardened their hearts against the Lord in the wilderness. Because of their unbelief, God denied that generation access to the holy land, saying, “They shall not enter into My rest” (Hebrews 3:11). In the same way, the writer to the Hebrews begs his readers not to make the same mistake by rejecting God’s Sabbath rest in Jesus Christ. “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience” (Hebrews 4:9–11).

There is no other Sabbath rest besides Jesus. He alone satisfies the requirements of the Law, and He alone provides the sacrifice that atones for sin. He is God’s plan for us to cease from the labor of our own works. We dare not reject this one-and-only Way of salvation (John 14:6). God’s reaction to those who choose to reject His plan is seen in Numbers 15. A man was found gathering sticks on the Sabbath day, in spite of God’s plain commandment to cease from all labor on the Sabbath. This transgression was a known and willful sin, done with unblushing boldness in broad daylight, in open defiance of the divine authority. “Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp’” (verse 35). So it will be to all who reject God’s provision for our Sabbath rest in Christ. “How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?” (Hebrews 2:3).got?

hope this helps !!!

 

[Studyman]

I'm going to try this one last time. I can't believe I'm having to "spell this out" to you in such a manner.....

When did that 7 day cycle began? If you do not know when that cycle began, you will be worshipping upon the wrong "day" of the week. The Sabbath can't be part of just any ole 7 day cycle. Your 7 day cycle has not context in either the Lunar calendars that now exists nor the solar calendars that now exist. You have NO context to judge what is exactly the 7th day at all.

It is a narcissistic tendency to believe that just because I don't agree with you, must mean I do not understand you. But I understand your religion and the foundation of your philosophy perfectly. You believe it is impossible to obey God, even though you will and have denied it when pointed out to you. In this case, concerning His Holy Sabbath Commandment, your own preaching confirms the foundation of your belief perfectly. I can't honor God in obedience to His Sabbath Commandment, because I can't or as you promote here, it is impossible for me to "know" what day God deems as the 7th day of the week. Therefore it is impossible to obey God's Commandment. I pointed the undeniable truth out to you that it is also impossible to "know" if Jesus raised from the dead, or that God even exists. But your nature will not allow you to even consider these truths, as they stand in the way of promoting your adopted philosophy concerning obedience to God's judgments and Commandments.

You preach this to others, not based on what God has taught us through the Scriptures, but from turning away from God and seeking the wisdom of the "Other voice" in the garden. This voice has convinced you that God's Laws are not created beforehand that you should walk in them, for your own wellbeing, and that there is no escape from sin provided for you, and therefore your rebellion and stubborn disobedience to God is justified. So you reject them, and promote the above philosophy to justify your lifestyle, adopting the bumper sticker slogan "Jesus is my Sabbath", whatever that means, and of course, you must demean and belittle everyone who doesn't join you in your worldly philosophy.

I think Jesus saw this coming.

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray "not" that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

I am placed by God in a world with a calendar, just as Jesus and Paul. There are religious businesses and sects selling their wares and making money on the 7th day of the week in the world I was born into, just like there were religious businesses selling their wares and making money on the 7th day of the week in Jesus and Paul's time. As the scriptures have shown you before, it is the lack of honor and respect for God that caused the religious businesses and sects to promote a philosophy which implies God is a liar in Jesus Time. So it is nothing new or surprising, that the world's religious businesses and sects of my time would also imply that God doesn't know the end from the beginning, or that HE is so incompetent that HE and His Son didn't know about the Gregorian or Julian Calendar when HE Inspired the Holy Scriptures and the Sabbath Commandment contained therein.

Because I believe in God, and I believe in His Son, the "Jesus "of the Bible", I am persuaded that they knew of this world I was placed in, and that God's Sabbath was created for men of my time, the same as men of Jesus Time. So although your religion is seductive, and clearly this world Hates the 7th Day Sabbath regardless of whether it's the 7th day of the Gregorian Calendar, or the Julian Calendar, and have, and will continue to make uncountable excuses to pollute, reject or ignore it, I will follow the advice of the Jesus "of the Bible" when HE instructed "Be ye therefore not like unto them".

Do you even know the days of the week we recognize are based upon paganism? Remember your "pagan" cross argument? Be consistent.

Actually, this is completely backwards. The "7" day week is a direct creation of God from the very beginning. There is no mention of the religious symbol of the cross in all the Law and Prophets, although this pagan symbol was common in the Pagan religions of this world long before men who professed to know God murdered Jesus. So your preaching that the "7 day week" is a Pagan concept and the symbol of the cross is not, is completely backwards, and another in the long line of false teaching promoted by the "other voice" in the garden. You didn't learn any of these things from the study of Scriptures.

So you actually don't know calendars have changed over time. Do you even know what calendar you're using now? Do you know about the missing days of various calendar.

If you had any honesty in you at all, you would be asking God the same question. "God, didn't you know I would be living in 2024 when you had the 10 Commandments written for my admonition"?

The context of the 7 day cycle is unique and isn't based upon existing lunar and solar events. You have many things to learn. Yet, here you are insisting you already know. Faith in a mistake doesn't change a mistake.

I refuse to yield myself to the religious philosophy of this world that you and Civic have adopted and are now promoting. I don't believe God made a mistake when HE spoke the Word's Jesus said I am to Live by, nor do I believe that you guys know better than HE.

While it is true that the "other voice" in the garden God placed us in is seductive, and followed by "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. Nevertheless, I have yielded myself to God, who has given me to the Jesus "of the Bible" and I don't believe God didn't see the Gregorian calendar coming when HE instructed me concerning the Days HE esteemed above other days.

You are free to adopt and promote whatever religious philosophy you want.

 

[Studyman]

You do not understand the Sabbath much like the Pharisees.

The key to understanding how Jesus is our Sabbath rest is the Hebrew word sabat, which means "to rest or stop or cease from work."

In your entire copy and paste sermon from this world's internet preacher called "Got Questions", this is as far as I need to go.

The cleaver deception is how the prince of this world worded this sentence from its religious business. To be Biblically accurate, it should read

The key to understanding how Jesus is our God's Holy Sabbath rest is the Hebrew word sabat, which means "to rest or stop or cease from (OUR) work, as God rested from (His) Creation Work.

There is nowhere in scriptures that Prophesies or teaches that "Jesus is the Sabbath".

Ex. 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any (of thy) work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The point of the Sabbath is that God placed us in an evil world, with "other voices" which also profess to know God. He shows us this in the story of Eve, and the "Got Questions" of her time.

What they refuse to acknowledge is that God still worked, but not the work of creation. God's Sabbath rest created for man is the same. We are to rest from the 6 days in which we are to Labor with our hands to gather food and sustenance God has provided for us. And Rest from this work of gathering on the 7th day.

But Children were not to be starved on this day. Animals were not to go thirsty, or if they fell into a pit, left all day. A sick child was not to be neglected for 24 hours in order to "keep the sabbath". So like God, who continued to feed His Creation, we too have work to do. It's just not "our" work as is engaged in on the other 6 days.

You are coming from the position of disobedience to God's Laws that you preach to the world are a Yoke of Bondage God placed on the necks of those who trusted him. You don't want to cease from your work one day a week. 52 days a year. Look at all the money you and your religious business can make, or all the fun you can have, if you do their will on God's Holy day, over God's will?

So this world's preaching that you have adopted and are promoting is for the purpose of justifying this world's disobedience and disrespect to God by placing Jesus Name on the transgression. In the same way you justify the disobedience of creating an image of God in the Likeness of a man which is also a Sin. In the same way you place Jesus Name on ancient Pagan high days to justify your rejection of God's Statutes, and your obedience to this world's images of God.

The advent of God's High Priest, the Messiah, didn't erase God's instruction in righteousness. But you preach that it did. It didn't erase God's instruction to "Live by" His Every Word, as Jesus instructed, and refuse the words of the "other voice" in the garden as Jesus also instructed, "Be ye not therefore like unto them", but you preach that it did.

The Pharisees had polluted God's sabbaths and were living in transgression of God's Commandments by their own religious traditions. You have adopted a religious business that engages in the exact same "works", only you do so while calling Jesus Lord, Lord.

The Jesus "of the Bible" Himself tells you.

Matt. 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

And yet, the religious business you have adopted, along with "Got Questions" entire religious philosophy is founded on a belief that Jesus said not to "EVEN Think".

And HE goes on to teach:

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And yet you and "Got Questions" will condemn men, and call them names and ridicule them and hate them and call them Pharisees if they Love God and believe HE is worthy of their honor and obedience.

20 For I say unto you, That except "your righteousness" shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

But you guys have done worse. Jesus is telling you, at the risk of His Own Life, that if you Transgress God's Commandment by your own religious traditions, just as did the Pharisees, that you will in NO CASE, enter the kingdom of heaven. But not only do you transgress, but you place Jesus Name on your transgression making Him a sinner just like you.

And HE tells you in another place, as men were seeking to silence Him for good;

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say "to me" in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And yet HIS Word's mean nothing to "Got Questions". Instead, you seek the prince of this world, the internet, the greatest "Other voice" in the garden that has ever existed, and choose to "Yield yourself" a servant to obey it.

No Civic, Jesus didn't let Himself be tortured and killed just so you could make more money or go golfing on His Father's Holy Sabbath.

In closing, and for the edification of others who may also see the hypocrisy in this world's mainstream religions who "come in Christ's Name", read Is. chapter 1 and the Prophesy of this world's religions who profess to know God.

2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me. 3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the *** his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider. 4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Yet, what do they do?

10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. 11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

These religious men reject God's Laws, pollute His Sabbaths and despise His Judgments by their very religious traditions, yet they show up every week with the Blood of an Unblemished Sacrifice, "as per the Law", to justify transgressing God's Commandments by their own religious traditions. How is this any different from the religions of this world today?

Listen to the Jesus "of the Bible".

Rev. 18: 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her", my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It is a narcissistic tendency to believe that just because I don't agree with you, must mean I do not understand you. But I understand your religion

In many ways, this is not about my religion at all. Theses are facts of our existence.

Have you learned anything from your surroundings? What teaches you?

Did you know that nature teaches?

1Co 11:14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,

Pay attention to what you read. I know you've read this verse before because of your comments relative to false religion associated with the "long haired Jesus".

So what does nature teach YOU?

I tell what it should teach you. It should teach you that what exists now is not exactly what existed before. Things change. Any calendar that exists today is flawed relative to creation. The reason this is true is because our fathers abandoned God.

 

[civic]

In your entire copy and paste sermon from this world's internet preacher called "Got Questions", this is as far as I need to go.

The cleaver deception is how the prince of this world worded this sentence from its religious business. To be Biblically accurate, it should read

The key to understanding how Jesus is our God's Holy Sabbath rest is the Hebrew word sabat, which means "to rest or stop or cease from (OUR) work, as God rested from (His) Creation Work.

There is nowhere in scriptures that Prophesies or teaches that "Jesus is the Sabbath".

Ex. 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any (of thy) work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The point of the Sabbath is that God placed us in an evil world, with "other voices" which also profess to know God. He shows us this in the story of Eve, and the "Got Questions" of her time.

What they refuse to acknowledge is that God still worked, but not the work of creation. God's Sabbath rest created for man is the same. We are to rest from the 6 days in which we are to Labor with our hands to gather food and sustenance God has provided for us. And Rest from this work of gathering on the 7th day.

But Children were not to be starved on this day. Animals were not to go thirsty, or if they fell into a pit, left all day. A sick child was not to be neglected for 24 hours in order to "keep the sabbath". So like God, who continued to feed His Creation, we too have work to do. It's just not "our" work as is engaged in on the other 6 days.

You are coming from the position of disobedience to God's Laws that you preach to the world are a Yoke of Bondage God placed on the necks of those who trusted him. You don't want to cease from your work one day a week. 52 days a year. Look at all the money you and your religious business can make, or all the fun you can have, if you do their will on God's Holy day, over God's will?

So this world's preaching that you have adopted and are promoting is for the purpose of justifying this world's disobedience and disrespect to God by placing Jesus Name on the transgression. In the same way you justify the disobedience of creating an image of God in the Likeness of a man which is also a Sin. In the same way you place Jesus Name on ancient Pagan high days to justify your rejection of God's Statutes, and your obedience to this world's images of God.

The advent of God's High Priest, the Messiah, didn't erase God's instruction in righteousness. But you preach that it did. It didn't erase God's instruction to "Live by" His Every Word, as Jesus instructed, and refuse the words of the "other voice" in the garden as Jesus also instructed, "Be ye not therefore like unto them", but you preach that it did.

The Pharisees had polluted God's sabbaths and were living in transgression of God's Commandments by their own religious traditions. You have adopted a religious business that engages in the exact same "works", only you do so while calling Jesus Lord, Lord.

The Jesus "of the Bible" Himself tells you.

Matt. 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

And yet, the religious business you have adopted, along with "Got Questions" entire religious philosophy is founded on a belief that Jesus said not to "EVEN Think".

And HE goes on to teach:

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And yet you and "Got Questions" will condemn men, and call them names and ridicule them and hate them and call them Pharisees if they Love God and believe HE is worthy of their honor and obedience.

20 For I say unto you, That except "your righteousness" shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

But you guys have done worse. Jesus is telling you, at the risk of His Own Life, that if you Transgress God's Commandment by your own religious traditions, just as did the Pharisees, that you will in NO CASE, enter the kingdom of heaven. But not only do you transgress, but you place Jesus Name on your transgression making Him a sinner just like you.

And HE tells you in another place, as men were seeking to silence Him for good;

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say "to me" in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And yet HIS Word's mean nothing to "Got Questions". Instead, you seek the prince of this world, the internet, the greatest "Other voice" in the garden that has ever existed, and choose to "Yield yourself" a servant to obey it.

No Civic, Jesus didn't let Himself be tortured and killed just so you could make more money or go golfing on His Father's Holy Sabbath.

In closing, and for the edification of others who may also see the hypocrisy in this world's mainstream religions who "come in Christ's Name", read Is. chapter 1 and the Prophesy of this world's religions who profess to know God.

2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me. 3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the *** his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider. 4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Yet, what do they do?

10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. 11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

These religious men reject God's Laws, pollute His Sabbaths and despise His Judgments by their very religious traditions, yet they show up every week with the Blood of an Unblemished Sacrifice, "as per the Law", to justify transgressing God's Commandments by their own religious traditions. How is this any different from the religions of this world today?

Listen to the Jesus "of the Bible".

Rev. 18: 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her", my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Your pride will not allow you to accept correction. That’s to bad you are not teachable.

 

[civic]

It is a narcissistic tendency to believe that just because I don't agree with you, must mean I do not understand you. But I understand your religion and the foundation of your philosophy perfectly. You believe it is impossible to obey God, even though you will and have denied it when pointed out to you. In this case, concerning His Holy Sabbath Commandment, your own preaching confirms the foundation of your belief perfectly. I can't honor God in obedience to His Sabbath Commandment, because I can't or as you promote here, it is impossible for me to "know" what day God deems as the 7th day of the week. Therefore it is impossible to obey God's Commandment. I pointed the undeniable truth out to you that it is also impossible to "know" if Jesus raised from the dead, or that God even exists. But your nature will not allow you to even consider these truths, as they stand in the way of promoting your adopted philosophy concerning obedience to God's judgments and Commandments.

You preach this to others, not based on what God has taught us through the Scriptures, but from turning away from God and seeking the wisdom of the "Other voice" in the garden. This voice has convinced you that God's Laws are not created beforehand that you should walk in them, for your own wellbeing, and that there is no escape from sin provided for you, and therefore your rebellion and stubborn disobedience to God is justified. So you reject them, and promote the above philosophy to justify your lifestyle, adopting the bumper sticker slogan "Jesus is my Sabbath", whatever that means, and of course, you must demean and belittle everyone who doesn't join you in your worldly philosophy.

I think Jesus saw this coming.

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray "not" that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

I am placed by God in a world with a calendar, just as Jesus and Paul. There are religious businesses and sects selling their wares and making money on the 7th day of the week in the world I was born into, just like there were religious businesses selling their wares and making money on the 7th day of the week in Jesus and Paul's time. As the scriptures have shown you before, it is the lack of honor and respect for God that caused the religious businesses and sects to promote a philosophy which implies God is a liar in Jesus Time. So it is nothing new or surprising, that the world's religious businesses and sects of my time would also imply that God doesn't know the end from the beginning, or that HE is so incompetent that HE and His Son didn't know about the Gregorian or Julian Calendar when HE Inspired the Holy Scriptures and the Sabbath Commandment contained therein.

Because I believe in God, and I believe in His Son, the "Jesus "of the Bible", I am persuaded that they knew of this world I was placed in, and that God's Sabbath was created for men of my time, the same as men of Jesus Time. So although your religion is seductive, and clearly this world Hates the 7th Day Sabbath regardless of whether it's the 7th day of the Gregorian Calendar, or the Julian Calendar, and have, and will continue to make uncountable excuses to pollute, reject or ignore it, I will follow the advice of the Jesus "of the Bible" when HE instructed "Be ye therefore not like unto them".



Actually, this is completely backwards. The "7" day week is a direct creation of God from the very beginning. There is no mention of the religious symbol of the cross in all the Law and Prophets, although this pagan symbol was common in the Pagan religions of this world long before men who professed to know God murdered Jesus. So your preaching that the "7 day week" is a Pagan concept and the symbol of the cross is not, is completely backwards, and another in the long line of false teaching promoted by the "other voice" in the garden. You didn't learn any of these things from the study of Scriptures.



If you had any honesty in you at all, you would be asking God the same question. "God, didn't you know I would be living in 2024 when you had the 10 Commandments written for my admonition"?



I refuse to yield myself to the religious philosophy of this world that you and Civic have adopted and are now promoting. I don't believe God made a mistake when HE spoke the Word's Jesus said I am to Live by, nor do I believe that you guys know better than HE.

While it is true that the "other voice" in the garden God placed us in is seductive, and followed by "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. Nevertheless, I have yielded myself to God, who has given me to the Jesus "of the Bible" and I don't believe God didn't see the Gregorian calendar coming when HE instructed me concerning the Days HE esteemed above other days.

You are free to adopt and promote whatever religious philosophy you want.

You are projecting since the narcissist will never admit they are wrong. Take a look at the man in the mirror