The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[praise_yeshua]

Most if not all modern christianity theology = pagan platonic philosophy
... a veiled way using a mix of christian buzz words together with pagan
philosophy as fundament.

Modern Christianity is not christian and uses
the Vatican fish religion Sacraments.. Every single one of them.

"Catholic" means "Universal".

I absolute agree in the church "Universal". People love to pick on those they believe are "Catholic" when most have no idea what that means.

Don't believe everything you've heard about it.

 

[Studyman]

Then stop talking about it if you don't understand it.

You are fascinating PY. You literally "come in Christ's Name", as Jesus warned, but claim that God has not even revealed to you when God's Holy Sabbath is so men can honor Him in His Commandments. And yet you claim to understand the relationship between the Jesus "of the Bible" and His Father who HE said is the One True God.

hu·bris
[ˈ(h)yo͞obrəs]
noun

1. excessive pride or self-confidence:

 

[Studyman]

And @Bob Carabbio affirms that Jesus is both God and man.

Nevertheless, he is right in pointing out that the topic of this thread "hypostatic union", is founded on the "Theology" of men trying to put into words an understanding of a God that is beyond human understanding in many things. Which is undeniably true.

It was refreshing to see someone address the elephant in the room.

 

[civic]

You are fascinating PY. You literally "come in Christ's Name", as Jesus warned, but claim that God has not even revealed to you when God's Holy Sabbath is so men can honor Him in His Commandments. And yet you claim to understand the relationship between the Jesus "of the Bible" and His Father who HE said is the One True God.

hu·bris
[ˈ(h)yo͞obrəs]
noun

1. excessive pride or self-confidence:

lol Jesus is our sabbath rest.

Next fallacy

 

[Studyman]

lol Jesus is our sabbath rest.

Next fallacy

You mean your God which is a Long-haired handsome man born on December 25th, who placed on the necks of these men spoken of in the wilderness who fell, a Yoke of Bondage impossible for them to obey, but this Jesus lied to them and told them could obey Him anyway, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't.

Yes Civic, I have no doubt this God is your sabbath rest.

 

[civic]

You mean your God which is a Long-haired handsome man born on December 25th, who placed on the necks of these men spoken of in the wilderness who fell, a Yoke of Bondage impossible for them to obey, but this Jesus lied to them and told them could obey Him anyway, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't.

Yes Civic, I have no doubt this God is your sabbath rest.

Your add hominem attacks are duly noted, a sure sign of defeat.

Hebrews 4 exposes your false teachings on the sabbath.

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[Studyman]

Your add hominem attacks are duly noted, a sure sign of defeat.

Hebrews 4 exposes your false teachings on the sabbath.

Next fallacy

ad ho·mi·nem
[ˌad ˈhämənəm]
adjective

1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining:

I said nothing but the undeniable truth of the religious sect of this world you have adopted and their philosophies you are now promoting Civic. If these truths anger you to hear them, imagine how God feels about them.

The practice of taking one verse out of the entire Bible, and then twisting it to destroy or make void the entire Law and Prophets, just to justify ancient Catholic high days, might be a good marketing strategy to grow your religious business. But Hebrews doesn't promote such behavior at all. It actually exposes the religious traditions you are promoting, as no different than the religious practices of those men who Heard the Same Gospel before you, but didn't believe it either. Here, lets read them together.

Heb. 3: 17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not "with them that had sinned", whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Heb. 4: 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, "as well as unto them": but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith (Belief) in them that heard it.

Like you, when they heard the Gospel of Christ, also shown to Israel when they came out of Egypt. they didn't believe it (mix with faith).

Ez. 20: 15 Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I "would not" bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands

WHY???

16 Because they despised my judgments, (Doesn't the religious sect you have adopted and are now promoting, despise God's Judgments concerning what is clean and unclean, and what is Holy and Unholy?) and "walked not" in my statutes, (Doesn't the religious sect you have adopted and are promoting, reject the Feasts of the Lord" in order that you might observe your own manmade high days?) but polluted my sabbaths (Doesn't the religious sect you have adopted and are now promoting, reject the Sabbath of God choosing instead the ancient Catholic Sabbath or your own creation?) for their heart went after "their idols". (How can you say the image of God this world's religious sects and businesses partakes of, is not an Idol?)

Their images of God created in the likeness of man.



Surly someone needs to point these undeniable truths out, Yes? Isn't that what the Hebrews author was doing?


Heb. 4: 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into "that rest", lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[civic]

ad ho·mi·nem
[ˌad ˈhämənəm]
adjective

1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining:

I said nothing but the undeniable truth of the religious sect of this world you have adopted and their philosophies you are now promoting Civic. If these truths anger you to hear them, imagine how God feels about them.

The practice of taking one verse out of the entire Bible, and then twisting it to destroy or make void the entire Law and Prophets, just to justify ancient Catholic high days, might be a good marketing strategy to grow your religious business. But Hebrews doesn't promote such behavior at all. It actually exposes the religious traditions you are promoting, as no different than the religious practices of those men who Heard the Same Gospel before you, but didn't believe it either. Here, lets read them together.

Heb. 3: 17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not "with them that had sinned", whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Heb. 4: 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, "as well as unto them": but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith (Belief) in them that heard it.

Like you, when they heard the Gospel of Christ, also shown to Israel when they came out of Egypt. they didn't believe it (mix with faith).

Ez. 20: 15 Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I "would not" bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands

WHY???

16 Because they despised my judgments, (Doesn't the religious sect you have adopted and are now promoting, despise God's Judgments concerning what is clean and unclean, and what is Holy and Unholy?) and "walked not" in my statutes, (Doesn't the religious sect you have adopted and are promoting, reject the Feasts of the Lord" in order that you might observe your own manmade high days?) but polluted my sabbaths (Doesn't the religious sect you have adopted and are now promoting, reject the Sabbath of God choosing instead the ancient Catholic Sabbath or your own creation?) for their heart went after "their idols". (How can you say the image of God this world's religious sects and businesses partakes of, is not an Idol?)

Their images of God created in the likeness of man.

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Surly someone needs to point these undeniable truths out, Yes? Isn't that what the Hebrews author was doing?


Heb. 4: 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into "that rest", lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

You are all over the map. Hebrews chapter 4 declares there is a permanent sabbath rest and the law is no longer in effect. Paul says the same thing in Colossians with legalistic religious days that you espouse. It’s the same legalism used by the Pharisees and their self righteousness that Jesus condemned and you follow. Your law obedience is a failure since you cannot keep it. You replace Jesus the Righteous One with your own self righteousness. A true Pharisee at heart.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You are fascinating PY. You literally "come in Christ's Name", as Jesus warned, but claim that God has not even revealed to you when God's Holy Sabbath is so men can honor Him in His Commandments. And yet you claim to understand the relationship between the Jesus "of the Bible" and His Father who HE said is the One True God.

hu·bris
[ˈ(h)yo͞obrəs]
noun

1. excessive pride or self-confidence:

I don't know the exact date the 7th day took place. Neither do you. It is Hubris to claim that you do. I also do not know the exact data that Christ was Crucified. It is hubris to claim that you do.

If you're going to claim you know such things then provide proof that establishes such. You don't have it. I know you don't have it. I had the apologetic argument with those who deny God many times before.

I tell what I do know. Christ is my Sabbath. My rest. Jesus is my peace.

Go ahead and keep looking for another. I'll stick with Jesus. Enjoy your search. This life is the only heaven you will know. Judgement awaits your denial of the sufficiency of Jesus Christ in all things.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You mean your God which is a Long-haired handsome man born on December 25th, who placed on the necks of these men spoken of in the wilderness who fell, a Yoke of Bondage impossible for them to obey, but this Jesus lied to them and told them could obey Him anyway, then slaughtered them by the thousands when they didn't.

Yes Civic, I have no doubt this God is your sabbath rest.

Jesus told them to TRY.......

TRYING proves that every individual is incapable without failure. It is a self revelation that all men can experience.

That message is the only message that exists to rebels. You don't believe God to start with. When someone doesn't believe...... then the only message left is "find out for yourself".......

It is a very effective learning lesson. Obviously one that you don't even know exists yet. Keep pretending you're innately enough to please God. You're not.

It is amazing just how little you know about theology and life in general.

 

[praise_yeshua]

ad ho·mi·nem
[ˌad ˈhämənəm]
adjective

1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining:

I said nothing but the undeniable truth of the religious sect of this world you have adopted and their philosophies you are now promoting Civic. If these truths anger you to hear them, imagine how God feels about them.

The practice of taking one verse out of the entire Bible, and then twisting it to destroy or make void the entire Law and Prophets, just to justify ancient Catholic high days, might be a good marketing strategy to grow your religious business. But Hebrews doesn't promote such behavior at all. It actually exposes the religious traditions you are promoting, as no different than the religious practices of those men who Heard the Same Gospel before you, but didn't believe it either. Here, lets read them together.

Heb. 3: 17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not "with them that had sinned", whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Heb. 4: 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, "as well as unto them": but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith (Belief) in them that heard it.

Like you, when they heard the Gospel of Christ, also shown to Israel when they came out of Egypt. they didn't believe it (mix with faith).

Ez. 20: 15 Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I "would not" bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands

WHY???

16 Because they despised my judgments, (Doesn't the religious sect you have adopted and are now promoting, despise God's Judgments concerning what is clean and unclean, and what is Holy and Unholy?) and "walked not" in my statutes, (Doesn't the religious sect you have adopted and are promoting, reject the Feasts of the Lord" in order that you might observe your own manmade high days?) but polluted my sabbaths (Doesn't the religious sect you have adopted and are now promoting, reject the Sabbath of God choosing instead the ancient Catholic Sabbath or your own creation?) for their heart went after "their idols". (How can you say the image of God this world's religious sects and businesses partakes of, is not an Idol?)

Their images of God created in the likeness of man.

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Surly someone needs to point these undeniable truths out, Yes? Isn't that what the Hebrews author was doing?


Heb. 4: 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into "that rest", lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

You know what is funny about this......... I mean it is really ludacris on your part.......

Tell me how you differ from those that fell in the wilderness? Please do tell just how much better you are than them?

Then read a little more.

Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

You're not good enough. You never will be.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

And @Bob Carabbio affirms that Jesus is both God and man.

ABSOLUTELY!!!! How does all that work in Scientific terms?? I'll ask later.

 

[civic]

You know what is funny about this......... I mean it is really ludacris on your part.......

Tell me how you differ from those that fell in the wilderness? Please do tell just how much better you are than them?

Then read a little more.

Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

You're not good enough. You never will be.

The Pharisees thought they were good enough too.

 

[Studyman]

I don't know the exact date the 7th day took place. Neither do you. It is Hubris to claim that you do.

What are you even talking about. Here is the question I asked in response to whether I placed myself in the Labeled Boxes created by this world's religious businesses and sects to demean and belittle those who do not adopt the philosophies of their religious philosophers.

"If I call Jesus Lord, Lord, but reject God's Judgments and many of His commandments, create images of God in the likeness of anything, create my own high days and sabbaths, and refuse to "Live by" God's Word, then I don't think it would matter much to God or Jesus, if I was a Trinitarian or not."

I wasn't even talking to you, but here is your response anyway, which I have heard before from mainstream preachers of this world.

I'm not claiming to know when the sabbath actually takes place in the context of God's appointment of such. I have no idea. You don't either.

Clearly you were saying you couldn't or didn't know what day of the week God appointed as His Sabbath, and that I didn't either.

Are you really now going to say, with a straight place, that we were discussing "when" in history God created the world?

The issue for me now is discerning, are you a deceiver trying to cleverly change the entire core of the argument to somehow save face? Which of course someone claiming to be my superior in all things God, as you do, should certainly know what day of the week God's Sabbath falls. Or are you simply mentally handicapped to the point that you are not able to comprehend or maintain a coherent conversation about what is written in Scriptures. A fascinating dilemma to be sure and one that I must be careful to ponder.

I also do not know the exact data that Christ was Crucified. It is hubris to claim that you do.

God has shown me how to find the anniversary of what HE calls "Passover", and therefore I can find the exact day every year, of the anniversary of this Holy Day which HE instructs His People to remember to observe. It's because I believe in God, and trust His Words, that I know these things, not "hubris". Where is it written that I should or need to know what year in the history of the planet that God created His Sabbath, or what year the mainstream preachers of this world murdered Jesus? Did God not say that both occurred "from the foundation of the world"?

If you're going to claim you know such things then provide proof that establishes such. You don't have it. I know you don't have it. I had the apologetic argument with those who deny God many times before.

You are creating as imaginary issue, then arguing against it. You engage in this practice all the time. Are you aware of this, or do you lack the capacity to understand?

I have never claimed to know what you are speaking to. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, please do.

I tell what I do know. Christ is my Sabbath. My rest. Jesus is my peace.

Well, this certainly sounds religious, and very churchy. But the Jesus "of the Bible" never said, implied or even suggested that HE was or is God's Holy Sabbath. He did say HE is Lord of God's Holy Sabbath, and HE honored His Father in obedience to God's Holy Sabbath Commandment, as did His Apostles after Him, including Paul. And HE did tell me to "Keep God's Commandments".

I would only promote that men place their trust in "Every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God", as the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs, and not the flashy religious bumper stickers and slogans used to promote this world's religious businesses.

But we are all free to choose as we please.

Go ahead and keep looking for another. I'll stick with Jesus. Enjoy your search. This life is the only heaven you will know. Judgement awaits your denial of the sufficiency of Jesus Christ in all things.

It is because I believe in the sufficiency of the Jesus "of the Bible" in all things, that I don't bow down to the religious sects and businesses of this world or succumb to your perpetual judgments against all who don't adopt your specific religious philosophy.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What are you even talking about. Here is the question I asked in response to whether I placed myself in the Labeled Boxes created by this world's religious businesses and sects to demean and belittle those who do not adopt the philosophies of their religious philosophers.

"If I call Jesus Lord, Lord, but reject God's Judgments and many of His commandments, create images of God in the likeness of anything, create my own high days and sabbaths, and refuse to "Live by" God's Word, then I don't think it would matter much to God or Jesus, if I was a Trinitarian or not."

Like I said. You don't know how to establish the Sabbath. That knowledge is lost to us. In the context of timing, there is no understanding left as to when these "days" happen. Have you ever really studied the details of such? I don't believe you have. I'm getting tired of arguing with you. Don't get me wrong. I don't mind having this conversation at all but it is becoming fruitless.

Stop this "eyes of men" nonsense that keeps districting from this conversation. You are just as much of a product of those before us as any of us. You have no moral superiority. You are limited by their choices and the circumstances their choices created in us.

Within the context of "time" and seasons. We have no starting context of when what we now observe..... began. Thusly, you have no idea when you follow the "Sabbath" timing if you're right or not. The "seventh day" currently has no context to follow. It is not just any seventh day that must be observed. It is in order of creation. There are problems with both lunar and solar calendars. They are not absolutes. The closest we can come to absolutes is when Jesus Christ gave His life. In the context of our time now, we can't know what exact day that was.

Thusly, you can't fulfill your own requirements in keeping any context of the sabbath.

Thusly, YOU have the same problem everyone does. Now....

I'm going to stop right here. Answer or not. I'm going to wait.

 

[Studyman]

Jesus told them to TRY.......

No!! Jesus didn't tell men to "Try" to stop stealing or sinning. You don't tell your sons to "Try" and stop stealing or lying to you. God didn't tell the Israelites to "Try" and stop stealing or transgressing His Commandments.

This foolishness is proof positive of the danger of the leaven of this world's religious sects and businesses. But will you admit to your error here? Will you repent and amend your religious philosophy? It would be good if you would, but you will probably try to turn to the discussion on me, to distract.

TRYING proves that every individual is incapable without failure. It is a self revelation that all men can experience.

This is the result of harboring lies in your heart about God. Lies like "God's Law is an impossible to obey "Yoke of Bondage" that God placed on the necks of men who placed their trust in Him". That God knows it is impossible to obey His Laws, but He lied to them and told them they could obey Him if they loved Him. Then slaughtered them by the thousands when they disobeyed. This leaven infects the entire heart of the man who harbor it. This is the foundation of you and Civic's religion. And now here you are, teaching all men everywhere, that they are incapable to living a life without stealing, working of God's Sabbaths, eating slugs and swine's flesh, telling lies about others and so on.

That when Jesus said "Be ye perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect" HE was promoting a lie.

I understand how popular this religion you have adopted and are now promoting is in this world God placed me in. But it would be spiritual suicide for me to turn from God's Instruction through His Son, the Lord's Christ, and adopt your religious philosophy in His Place.

I really wish you guys would consider the wickedness of your founding principle. But I also understand that "offences will come". And HE knows you better than I.

That message is the only message that exists to rebels. You don't believe God to start with. When someone doesn't believe...... then the only message left is "find out for yourself".......

Your philosophy is fascinating, if a man yields himself to God and His Son Jesus in all things, trusting His Word to live by, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works" as Jesus and His Father clearly instructs, you and Civic condemn them as reprobates and rebels.

But you can reject His known Statutes and commandments, despise His Judgments, create images of God in the likeness of men, observe, defend and promote ancient pagan high days and teach others to do the same, and you are saved by the Blood of Jesus.

And even though God gives you example after example after example of the fate of men who choose to live by your exact same religious philosophy. But you are right about one thing. Those Christians in Matt. 7 "found out for themselves". I would advise that a man should find out before "that day".

It is a very effective learning lesson. Obviously one that you don't even know exists yet. Keep pretending you're innately enough to please God. You're not.

It is amazing just how little you know about theology and life in general.

The promoters of this world's religious sects and businesses have said the same about those whose refuge is the Lord since Cain and Abel. Your judgments are nothing new.

Thank you again for your continued blessings.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No!! Jesus didn't tell men to "Try" to stop stealing or sinning. You don't tell your sons to "Try" and stop stealing or lying to you. God didn't tell the Israelites to "Try" and stop stealing or transgressing His Commandments.

How is your son doing? Are you a good father? I can't see it myself. There is a reason the children of Israel fell. It was because of their fathers. Their parents lead them into destruction.

There comes a time in every child's life where they MUST live their own lives. If they only live YOUR LIFE.... then they will never genuinely care for what you care for.

You are a very simplistic overbearing individual that has cast your own imagination upon what you see in "God". You desire to possess and control everything. That is what you pass onto your children. It is what has been passed on to you. You void the teachings of God in such imaginations.

This is the result of harboring lies in your heart about God. Lies like "God's Law is an impossible to obey

I never said it was impossible to obey. Everyone obeys it till THEY don't. The fact you sin at all is proof of you inabilities. You seem to think that it is okay for you to break God's law when actually breaking God's law demanded your death. If you actually applied God's law, you would already be dead.

Get it!!! YOU.... would already be dead. Do you get it? YOU would already be DEAD!

So when are the Sanhedrin coming your house to fulfill the judgment of God upon YOU? You should morally comply with their judgement. Comply to the demands of God's law in your life........ or admit you're a hypocrite.

Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Hey.... but you have a much worse problem.

Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

God has shown me how to find the anniversary of what HE calls "Passover", and therefore I can find the exact day every year, of the anniversary of this Holy Day which HE instructs His People to remember to observe. It's because I believe in God, and trust His Words, that I know these things, not "hubris". Where is it written that I should or need to know what year in the history of the planet that God created His Sabbath, or what year the mainstream preachers of this world murdered Jesus? Did God not say that both occurred "from the foundation of the world"?

Do share. Please don't insist you know and are unwilling to share how you know. I know you think you're special and God talks to you and only you.... but this ridiculous.

I have a brother that believed angels were talk to him. It was his medication. At least that is what he said it was when his "prophecies" failed.

Has God told you anything about me personally? If so, please share. You have my permission to share.

 

[praise_yeshua]

lol Jesus is our sabbath rest.

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I love the new life depicted in circumcision. The "8th" day. The "uncovering" of the seed of God in Christ Jesus. Our rest in Christ's death and life in His Resurrection.

 

[civic]

I love the new life depicted in circumcision. The "8th" day. The "uncovering" of the seed of God in Christ Jesus. Our rest in Christ's death and life in His Resurrection.

The legalists rob God of His grace and mercy. They don’t understand it at all and try and please God in their flesh. Our sabbath rest in Christ is His grace and mercy. The Pharisees were so caught up in the sabbath day they missed the Lord of the sabbath