The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[civic]

Since I haven't been here for a while, a joke I heard today. A Jewish father goes to his rabbi and says, You're not going to believe this. My son has left home and become a Christian. The rabbi looks at the man and says, well you're not going to believe this. My son also left home, and he also became a Christian. The man says, what are we going to do? The rabbi says pray to God. That's always the answer. So they pray to God and God says, Hey, you're not going to believe this...

The point I would make with that joke is that it speaks to Jesus as God's Son. As God's Son, that would, if kept separate, make Him God Jr. A second God. That, to me, completely defeats the purpose of being unitarian, and believing in Jesus. The word son isn't necessarily a biological term. It can also mean (if I remember correctly) the image of, or of the same substance. (Something like that.) So as the Son of God, He is also God, or a God. I believe God is One BEING, made up of three co-existing, co-eternal PERSONS. So no contradiction in terms. (Please correct my understanding if it is too far off.)

Your last sentence with the summary is spot on and thanks for the joke.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Hypostatic Union

However, since I'm never fond of Theological "Buzz words", I'd suggest that Jesus was essentially the same as EVERY BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN - i.e. Jesus had His HUMAN NATURE, and then was JOINED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT at John's baptism.

WE have a Human Nature, and are joined by the Holy Spirit whenever we're Born Again.

SO essentially EVERY CHRISTIAN has "two natures" The "OLD MAN", and the "Christ nature". Paul talks about that in Romans 7.

Jesus, however, was able to do something that we "could do" but won't consistently: Jesus, even though He was tempted in every respect AS WE ARE, NEVER ALLOWED HIS LUST TO CONCEIVE, and become SINFUL ACTIONS.

 

[praise_yeshua]

However, since I'm never fond of Theological "Buzz words", I'd suggest that Jesus was essentially the same as EVERY BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN - i.e. Jesus had His HUMAN NATURE, and then was JOINED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT at John's baptism.

WE have a Human Nature, and are joined by the Holy Spirit whenever we're Born Again.

SO essentially EVERY CHRISTIAN has "two natures" The "OLD MAN", and the "Christ nature". Paul talks about that in Romans 7.

Jesus, however, was able to do something that we "could do" but won't consistently: Jesus, even though He was tempted in every respect AS WE ARE, NEVER ALLOWED HIS LUST TO CONCEIVE, and become SINFUL ACTIONS.

There are many many problems with such claims as this.

Man has never been and still isn't (even after becoming a new creature) infused with many aspects of Divinity associated with the Divine Person of Jesus Christ.

You nor I have innate power relative to the King of Kings and Lord of Lord.
You nor I will never gain innate power relative to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

We will always be in need of Grace. Now and forever in the new creature. There will never be a scenario wherein we are innately self sufficient or in need of nothing external to ourselves.

There is a real need for theological understand of such teachings as the "Hypostatic Union". Not knowing the doctrine that you so flippantly dismiss has caused a great error to be present in your view of God.

It is a very important topic that very few are capable of accurately discussing because they really don't want to know the subject. Thusly, you flippantly dismiss the very doctrine you have a need to learn.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

There are many many problems with such claims as this.

Man has never been and still isn't (even after becoming a new creature) infused with many aspects of Divinity associated with the Divine Person of Jesus Christ.

However, man still (after being Born AGain), has the Christ nature living IN him/her, and the Holy Spirit ON them at God's discretion to give POWER in Ministry.

You nor I have innate power relative to the King of Kings and Lord of Lord.
You nor I will never gain innate power relative to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

However, Jesus did what He did in the power of the Holy Spirit, just like we have to do. HE said that "He could do nothing of himself" (John 5:19).
The DIFFERENCE IS that Jesus had the Holy Spirit WITHOUT MEASURE (John 3:34), while we have "Measured Holy Spirit / FAITH. (Rom 12:3)

We will always be in need of Grace. Now and forever in the new creature. There will never be a scenario wherein we are innately self sufficient or in need of nothing external to ourselves.

Yup - no problem there. No sense in trying to "make one".

There is a real need for theological understand of such teachings as the "Hypostatic Union".

"Hypostatic Union" is "theology", i.e. man's attempt at quantifying that about which we really know little. God is outside of our capability to really understand. But HEY!!! If tossing "Religious concepts" around makes you happy, then go for it!!

Not knowing the doctrine that you so flippantly dismiss has caused a great error to be present in your view of God.

And what DO YOU THINK the "error concerning my View of God" is???

 

[praise_yeshua]

However, man still (after being Born AGain), has the Christ nature living IN him/her, and the Holy Spirit ON them at God's discretion to give POWER in Ministry.

By all means, do what Christ did. Always please the Father. Always. You can't. You are not complete as Christ has always been. Christ has never been anything less than Perfect and fully Divine.

However, Jesus did what He did in the power of the Holy Spirit, just like we have to do. HE said that "He could do nothing of himself" (John 5:19).
The DIFFERENCE IS that Jesus had the Holy Spirit WITHOUT MEASURE (John 3:34), while we have "Measured Holy Spirit / FAITH. (Rom 12:3)

This is the message of those who seek to dishonor the Son. Jesus Christ has always been and has never ceased to be fully Divine. Never. Not even when He was robbed in flesh in the Incarnation. Never. The power He possessed Himself was never tied explicitly to the Spirit of God individually. You continue to show that you do not know the teachings of the Holy Trinity. If you did, you would not make these mistakes.

Men repeat what you've just declared to dishonor the rightful Glory due the Son.

"Hypostatic Union" is "theology", i.e. man's attempt at quantifying that about which we really know little. God is outside of our capability to really understand. But HEY!!! If tossing "Religious concepts" around makes you happy, then go for it!!

Do you know how many times this happens when debating doctrine. We are discussing doctrine. If you're going to appeal to what you believe "can't be known"...... then why in the world are you even discussing it?

And what DO YOU THINK the "error concerning my View of God" is???

Down playing the uniqueness of God's son to make him more like yourself than He actually is.

Images and representations are not "exact replicas". We have borne the image of the earthly. We shall possess the image of the heavenly but we will never be identical to the Son. Never. He out ranks us. He is better than us. He is alone has the power that He shares with others via His Benevolent Grace.

It is of Grace and never our own.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

We shall possess the image of the heavenly but we will never be identical to the Son.

Agreed, but that was never in question.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Agreed, but that was never in question.

It is when you compare Jesus Christ to humanity and the new creation "in" Jesus Christ.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I know we are close to one another in what we believe. I appreciate you sir!

 

[civic]

It is when you compare Jesus Christ to humanity and the new creation "in" Jesus Christ.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I know we are close to one another in what we believe. I appreciate you sir!

yes @Bob Carabbio is one of my favorite brothers online I have never met in person, I cannot wait to meet him in person in glory- the same with you

I have thought about trying to coordinate a get together with the group for a day or 2 somewhere just to hang out, meet each other and maybe have some kind of open forum discussion mixed in there. Maybe its just a pipe dream but many of us go back several years and even a couple of decades of interacting with each other on various forums.