The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ
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praise_yeshua
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Your beliefs are on record here and they match exactly to historical norms. You don't have to appeal to anything. The evidence is in your words.
I never said a word about authority. Have you seen me appeal to any authority but the Scriptures? I haven't.
However, you haven't been a rebel in any sense of the word. You're accepting the "Orthodoxy" of those you prefer.
praise_yeshua
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Nonsense. I know the evidence better than you do. For example, I know "outside of time" comes from C.S. Lewis. I know that Arminius said things that you were taught and thus..... believe because you trust what you were taught.
Contrary to this, I have said many things to you that you have never heard or adequately considered. Your position is a position you've built to combat Calvinism.
I had that struggle close to 30 years ago now. I moved on. I started establishing my beliefs based solely upon the Scriptures and reason.
Johann
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Full name Rotherham's Emphasized Bible
Abbreviation EBR
Complete Bible
published 1902
Textual basis Westcott and Hort, 1892 revision (NT)
Copyright Public Domain
I don't want to sound like a snob brother-I really don't-But I would stay away from Westcott and Hort.
But then-a Bible is a Bible, heck, I even enjoy the Williams and Amplified Bible-!
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
KJV.
Php 2:7 But poured out and emptied himself [2C 8:9], taking the demut of the mode of being of an eved [YESHAYAH 52:13- 53:12 [T.N. see the AVDI TZADDIK TZEMACH DOVID MOSHIACH YIRMEYAH 23:5; ZECHARIAH 3:8], and was born in the likeness of Bnei Adam [Yn 1:14; Ro 8:3; MJ 2:14-17], and having been found in appearance as an Adam,
OJB.
Php 2:5 5-11 Let Christ himself be your example as to what your attitude should be. For he, who had always been God by nature, did not cling to his prerogatives as God's equal, but stripped himself of all privilege by consenting to be a slave by nature and being born as mortal man. And, having become man, he humbled himself by living a life of utter obedience, even to the extent of dying, and the death he died was the death of a common criminal. That is why God has now lifted him so high, and has given him the name beyond all names, so that at the name of Jesus "every knee shall bow", whether in Heaven or earth or under the earth. And that is why, in the end, "every tongue shall confess" that Jesus Christ" is the Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phillips.
Php 2:6 ος εν μορφη θεου υπαρχων ουχ αρπαγμον ηγησατο το ειναι ισα θεω
Php 2:7 αλλ εαυτον εκενωσεν μορφην δουλου λαβων εν ομοιωματι ανθρωπων γενομενος
The "scholars" and commentaries are having a hard time in the Kenoo-as to exactly WHAT Christ divested/emptied Himself FROM-when the answer is correct in the KJV. [abase]
abase one’s self, Php_2:7;
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Precious are the words recorded in Scripture.
J.
Diserner
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Yeah, I get that, but people often don't realize the other readings are right there in the columns under footnotes, just a glance away.
For some, being on the same page is just never enough.
But it's the only translation I know of that differentiates ALL the names of God and attempts to keep the order of the original languages.
Also it is the single most accurate translation overall I've found yet.
You can pick up a free copy with markings and notes here:
The Emphasised Bible - Blue Edition.pdf
drive.google.com
Johann
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2 Fill ye up my joy––that, the same thing, ye esteem, the same love, possessing, joined in soul, the one thing, esteeming,–– 3 Nothing by way of faction, nothing by way of vain–glory,––but, in lowliness of mind, accounting, one another, superior to yourselves,–– 4 Not, to your own things, severally looking, but, to the things of others, severally:–– 5 The same thing, esteem, in yourselves, which also, in Christ Jesus, [ye esteem], –– 6 Who, in form of God, subsisting, not, a thing to be seized, accounted the being equal with God, 7 But, himself, emptied, taking, a servant’s form, coming to be, in men’s likeness; 8 And, in fashion, being found, as a man, humbled himself, becoming obedient as far as death, yea, death upon a cross. 9 Wherefore also, God, uplifted him far on high, and favoured him with the name which is above every name,–– 10 In order that, in the name of Jesus, every knee might bow––of beings in heaven, and on earth, and underground,–– 11 And, every tongue, might openly confess––that Jesus Christ is, Lord, unto the glory of God the Father.Yeah, I get that, but people often don't realize the other readings are right there in the columns under footnotes, just a glance away.
For some, being on the same page is just never enough.
But it's the only translation I know of that differentiates ALL the names of God and attempts to keep the order of the original languages.
Also it is the single most accurate translation overall I've found yet.
You can pick up a free copy with markings and notes here:
The Emphasised Bible - Blue Edition.pdf
Yes-I see the Subjunctive-downloaded it on Word-thank you.
Johann
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I try to be-on one point there may be a heartily agreement-a slap on the back, a "like" and the next-all hell breaks loose.
J.
praise_yeshua
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You put people on ignore and then take them off. You post commentary that contradicts one another. You "slap people" on the back the as well.
You would think a human being that is self aware wouldn't complain about something they do themselves.
Thank you for the Utley links. Since you asked for feedback, here is mine. One of my many litmus tests I employ is the topic of infant baptism. I went straight to one of his talks on infant baptism and I was impressed by his recognition of the views on both sides of the argument. I was even impressed that he recognized that the Bible was not written for infants. Unfortunately, he didn't carry that understanding through into his assessment of infant baptism and he let fly with his presuppositions. He sounds very sincere but I would take into account his presuppositions before I believe anything he says.
When you find that person let me know. Your distortions of my thinking know no bounds. Best you let me do my own thinking in future.When someone claims Jesus was fully God on this earth for 33 years and denies He was equal with the Father in His Deity having all the exact attributes then we can know it’s a facade.
Diserner
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When you find that person let me know. Your distortions of my thinking know no bounds. Best you let me do my own thinking in future.
To be fair, I think he was talking about me not you.
Not that it matters.
praise_yeshua
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When you find that person let me know. Your distortions of my thinking know no bounds. Best you let me do my own thinking in future.
Your words don't add up to your claims. It really is that simple.
He did make the statement in response to my post but you are right, their approval means nothing. They are no-one, just like you and me.
Diserner
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He did make the statement in response to my post but you are right, their approval means nothing. They are no-one, just like you and me.
Hey.
I'm the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus!
I'm the apple of God's eye!
And I'm the chief among sinners.
Johann
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Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:We'll see.
See you on the Day.
as: Gen_3:19; 2Sa_14:14; Job_14:5, Job_30:23; Psa_89:48; Ecc_3:20, Ecc_9:5, Ecc_9:10, Ecc_12:7; Rom_5:12
but: Heb_6:2; Job_19:25; Ecc_11:9, Ecc_12:14; Mat_25:31-46; Joh_5:26-29; Act_17:31; Rom_2:5, Rom_14:9-12; 1Co_4:5; 2Co_5:10; 2Ti_4:1; Jud_1:15; Rev_20:11
Time is short-and has been shortened and we are to redeem the precious time we have-keep up the good work.
J.
Johann
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I see myself in the third point.
J.
Diserner
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Then you need to see yourself in Christ as well!
He has merited the righteousness of the chief of sinners.
Johann
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Let me pray about it-since my two edifying sources are false-according to some.
Thanks.
Johann.
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Diserner
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Awesome. That's the way to do it.
and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law,
but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; (Phil. 3:9 NKJ)
For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one,
much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness
will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ (Rom. 5:17 NKJ)
