Diserner
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`We played the flute for you, And you did not dance;
We mourned to you, And you did not lament.' (Matt. 11:17 NKJ)
Something, something, about revealing to babes.
The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ
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`We played the flute for you, And you did not dance;
We mourned to you, And you did not lament.' (Matt. 11:17 NKJ)
Something, something, about revealing to babes.
praise_yeshua
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I don't know about that last part....
In dichotomy, there is room for this. In trichotomy, there isn't.
Johann
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Away with your sarcasm-
09 Philippians 2:6-8
Christ Jesus Humbled Himself
1. Phil 2:6-9
a. What does it teach? 2:6 Jesus is God; 2:7 He put on man’s lowly likeness
i. 2:8 - As a man he humbled himself to be made sin and die for others
ii. 2:9 - This is why God exalted him above every name: low will be made high
b. Why Paul teaches it? The mind of Christ is our pattern = not high-minded,
esteeming ministry/service to others more than to himself. Seeing others benefit.
i. Not pleasing men in the flesh, but to benefit their souls – Ga 1:10, 2Co 12:15
ii. Life in Christ is not getting people to like you, it is doing the will of God
2. The Emptied Jesus Controversy (Kenotic theology)
a. This passage indirectly teaches about the incarnation and deity of Christ
b. 2:6-7 is translated in other Bibles and taught to say Jesus emptied himself of deity
c. This error teaches that to put on humanity, he must empty some of his divinity
d. MacArthur, Swindoll, Jordan, Sadler, Strong, and 18th c. German rationalists teach
that Jesus emptied himself of his deity, glory, attributes
3. The Two Natures of Christ (Hypostatic Union)
a. We serve one God in three persons – 1 John 5:7
b. The person of the Son (Jesus) is the fullness of the Godhead bodily–Col 2:9, 1Ti 3:16
c. Jesus Christ has two natures: one divine and one man; he is God and man in one
d. One nature does not alter the other; we must identify which nature …
i. Got hungry; walked on water; rebuked the wind; died, and rose again
ii. The two natures are the same person! Will you die or live forever?
iii. Was Christ of the world or not of this world? Yes. John 1:14, 8:23, Gal 4:4.
iv. Who raised Christ from the dead? Rom 8:11, Gal 1:1, John 10:18-19
v. Who didn’t know? Who increased in stature? Mark 13:32, Lk 2:40, 49, 52
vi. Which nature is of no reputation? Not his divine nature, it is man likeness.
e. Jesus’ deity is never compromised, emptied, removed, or laid aside.
4. Why It Is Important
a. Changing the deity of Christ changes the Godhead. Is it true of the Father, Spirit?
i. God humbled himself to behold his creation in Psa 113:6
b. If Jesus is less than God, then his blood is not sufficient for your salvation.
c. Christ could only die if he was man, he could only die for our sins if he was God.
5. Jesus Equals God Minus Nothing
a. The incarnation of Christ did not subtract anything from God, it added humanity
b. His divine nature was concealed (Heb 10:20), but revealed to those that received
him – John 1:1-3, 1:11-14, Luke 9:27-36, and to others John 18:6, Acts 9:3-4
c. He made himself of no reputation for our sake, which made him more not less.
God’s Reputation
Justin Johnson
A reputation concerns how others see you.
God has a high reputation. God created all things by His own power. He is eternal without beginning and end. He is above all nations, and His glory is above the heavens. He is naturally righteous, holy, loving, and gracious.
Man has a low reputation. Man was created from dirt. He is born weak and to trouble. Few become strong or wise enough to rule over a single business, rarer still are those that reign over a single nation. The ordinary man’s life is spent in vanity, pride, sin, and vainglory.
When God was manifest in the flesh he made himself of no reputation. He did not stop being God, nor did he become less God. He did not remove, empty, or lay aside any of his attributes as God.
He made himself of no reputation.
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:” – Philippians 2:6-7
No Reputation
A reputation concerns how others see you.
When God was manifest in the flesh, what they saw did not appear to be an eternal being who had created all things and dwelt outside time and space.
When unbelievers saw Jesus, they saw a man that had the reputation of every other man. When believers saw Jesus, they were looking at the fullness of the Godhead bodily with no reputation.
Why would God make himself of no reputation in the likeness of men? Why would anyone want to lower their own reputation, not to mention allowing others to spit on it (Luke 18:32)?
The fullness of the Godhead bodily, in fashion as a man with low reputation, falsely accused of crimes against Himself, died innocently on a cross, naked and next to thieves. God was not only of no reputation, he appeared disreputable.
A reputation concerns how others see you. To look at Jesus on the cross, His low reputation as a man was not worthy of His nature as God. He had a reputation dying as a sinner, though He knew no sin.
God’s Reputation Returns
His reputation would not remain so low.
Jesus, being God, resurrected from the dead and ascended to heaven in a glorified body. God’s reputation began to change as it was preached by the apostles that God manifest in the flesh was both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36).
God’s reputation improved again when he appeared from glory to save a sinner undeserving of salvation (Acts 9:4).
A reputation concerns how others see you, and Paul saw the resurrected Lord in glory above all things according to the revelation of the mystery (Eph 1:9-10; Rom 16:25). Paul was sent to preach God’s exalted reputation in Christ.
God manifest in the flesh was not only the Creator, Lord, and Christ, but now was known as the Saviour of all men, the Head of the church, exalted above all things both in heaven and in earth (Phil 2:9-11)!
God who once had a high reputation, and then made himself of no reputation, now has a reputation greater than ever. He is both Just and the Justifer, Judge and Mediator, the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13).
God’s High Reputation
What commends God’s high reputation is that now we know why he made himself of no reputation. God made himself of no reputation for the sake of sinners.
He was willing to be made of no reputation to save those of low reputation. Christ considered our salvation more than his own reputation.
God did not compromise, empty, remove, or lay aside any of his attributes of God when he was manifest in the flesh. He knew what he was doing all along to the praise of His glory.
God put on the likeness of sinful humanity to provide salvation to sinners as the resurrected Saviour.
“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;” – Philippians 2:10
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Learn more by listening to our verse by verse studies of Phil 2:6-8 here.
God’s Reputation
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Diserner
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Ok, so basically, the soul of God is in union with Deity but is Jesus and joined to the Father.
But souls are never human.
'Cause... God is not a human person, and human persons are different.
Only human persons are souls, but only the spirit and body is a soul, there is no actual thing that's just a "soul."
^ Everything I learned on the "Berean" forums.
praise_yeshua
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You're claiming a superior position without evidence. I'm not asking you to dance. I have no desire to see anyone dance.
Diserner
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Away with your unjust rebuking of a righteous man!
39 And some of the Pharisees called to Him from the crowd, "Teacher, rebuke Your disciples."
40 But He answered and said to them, "I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out."
(Lk. 19:39-40 NKJ)
praise_yeshua
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That is not the way I've understood the conversation....
Either way, it has nothing to do with the forum. It has to do with people. The fact you seek to bash this forum is telling.
Diserner
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Then stop firing your theological six-shooters at my feet!
Actions speaker louder than words.
Diserner
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praise_yeshua
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Get angry if you want. You're avoiding the answer I gave you.
praise_yeshua
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How have I bashed you? I disagree with people here all the time without feeling the need to bash an inanimate forum.
civic
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I’m sorryI'll accept y'alls apologies in heaven don't worry.
One at a time, though.
praise_yeshua
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I'll accept y'alls apologies in heaven don't worry.
One at a time, though.
I serious doubt any of this will make the "headlines" in heaven.
civic
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Johann
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Every Man a Liar
Justin Johnson
How far are you willing to go to learn the truth? Would you continue if it meant you were wrong? If you can do this you are on your way.
What if learning the truth meant that your friends were wrong? We all like to think that we know a little more than our friends. This should not be too hard.
What if discovering the truth meant that what was popular and celebrity was wrong? Why not? After all we can all agree that what is popular is not always right. We’ve already established that the average Joe and his friends are ignorant.
But what if accepting the truth meant that learned scholars and doctors were also wrong? In a time where reason is held as the primary tool of truth this may be more difficult to believe. But we also know that not all scholars agree on everything. Perhaps there is room for error after all.
Could it be that entire schools are wrong about what is true? Entire denominations? Entire countries?
What if knowing the truth meant that most every historically significant man, scholar, teacher, or philosopher for the past two thousand years was wrong? Would you still accept it? Would you want to know it?
Paul writes ‘let God be true, but every man a liar’ (Romans 3:4).
If every man that ever lived was wrong, God would still be true.
Human reason can be fallacious and experience can be deceiving, but God and his revelation are never wrong. He is not a man that he should lie and is worthy of your trust.
It would be naive to think that any church, country, preacher, or tradition has the market on truth. But when we are willing to believe God before tradition or training then we are one step closer to gaining what is more valuable than both: the truth.
You won’t be able to understand the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery unless you believe that we should let God be true and every man a liar.
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” – 2 Tim 2:15
praise_yeshua
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Interesting how you're trying to make Jesus Christ out to be a human person when your first sentence starts with.....
"Every Man a Liar".
