The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[sawdust]

Jesus had no human soul prior to being conceived in Mary’s womb, that’s where His human soul was created.

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So you're saying Jesus was created? Well, half created I guess. I wonder what Paul would say to that?

 

[synergy]

So you are saying the Trinity didn't exist until the Incarnation? Afterall, if the Lord Jesus was not two natures prior, then He was no different to the Father.

The Son is eternally begotten from the Father. That's why the Father is called the Father and the Son is called the Son. That’s the main ontological difference between the Father and the Son.

He would have been Deity only and that is the Father. Also He would have had to change His personhood as His person isn't Deity alone but Deity and humanity in one person. That would mean He is mutable.

His Diety is not mutable. He took on human nature (body and soul) but that did not negate, change, nor confuse his Divine Personhood or Nature. Both natures kept their integrity even though there was no separation between the two natures.

 

[synergy]

So you're saying Jesus was created? Well, half created I guess. I wonder what Paul would say to that?

Jesus is the Uncreated Word of God who took on human nature (human soul and body). That taking on of human nature did not and could not negate Jesus' Personhood and Divinity as continuing to be the Uncreated Word of God.

 

[sawdust]

You're looking for distinction when there is possibly not one to be seen.

I'm not looking for distinction, I'm showing you the word says there is distinction.

It's not that hard to understand mate.

Honestly, half your responses to me are out in the boonies and have little relation to what is said to you.

 

[sawdust]

He took on human nature (body and soul)

Our human nature is in our soul, not our body. If it was in our body as well, then we would stop existing when our bodies rot away.

And Jesus said a body you prepared for me. He did not say a soul and body you prepared for me.

Hebrews 10:5
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.

 

[sawdust]

His Diety is not mutable. He took on human nature (body and soul) but that did not negate, change, nor confuse his Divine Personhood or Nature. Both natures kept their integrity even though there was no separation between the two natures.

And that would mean His person changed. He is the One person yesterday, today and tomorrow. You can't add something to Him and then say He is immutable.

It has nothing to do with confusing the two natures, it has everything to do with changing who and what the person of Christ is.

 

[civic]

And that would mean His person changed. He is the One person yesterday, today and tomorrow. You can't add something to Him and then say He is immutable.

It has nothing to do with confusing the two natures, it has everything to do with changing who and what the person of Christ is.

Yes you have Him human when He was only Divine pre Incarnation. It’s your Christology that is off base not ours. His Divine nature never changed pre/post Incarnation.


hope this helps !!!

 

[sawdust]

The life of the FLESH... is in the blood of man. I was very clear about what I said. Very clear. You're the one "mudding the water". Not me.

That refers to animals. Our life is in our soul. It is what is made in the image and likeness of God. Adam did not become a living soul until after that life God created in Gen.1:17 was breathed into him. The body God formed in Gen.2 had blood but no human life.

 

[synergy]

Our human nature is in our soul, not our body.

You don't believe that our bodies are part of our human nature? If they're not part of our human nature then what type of nature are they part of?

If it was in our body as well, then we would stop existing when our bodies rot away.

False. We still carry on as souls after death.

And Jesus said a body you prepared for me. He did not say a soul and body you prepared for me.

Hebrews 10:5
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.

He didn’t say body only. Where did he say that he has a soul already?

 

[Complete]

Hello @synergy & other participating members,

Why don't we lay aside our own understanding, and simply worship Him.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[sawdust]

By your own measure, you sin. Thusly you're not faithful.

Full of faith? No, but I'm working on it.

Was Adam full of faith? No, but he had enough to repent.

Was Christ full of faith? 100% at all times.

Can you see the difference now?

 

[synergy]

And that would mean His person changed. He is the One person yesterday, today and tomorrow. You can't add something to Him and then say He is immutable.

False. We keep telling you that Jesus' Personhood was, is, and always will be the Uncreated Word of God. You're not listening to what we keep telling you.

It has nothing to do with confusing the two natures, it has everything to do with changing who and what the person of Christ is.

See above.

 

[civic]

Full of faith? No, but I'm working on it.

Was Adam full of faith? No, but he had enough to repent.

Was Christ full of faith? 100% at all times.

Can you see the difference now?

Where does the Bible say Adam repented I would love to read about what the Bible actually says , got Scripture?

 

[sawdust]

Jesus was unique but you're insisting that the Incarnation robbed Jesus of Divinity. Scriptures such as this prove you wrong.

I've had enough. I have never said the Incarnation robbed Jesus of His Divinity. You don't listen to what I say with any understanding.

Jesus is two natures in one person. He refused to function as God in the Incarnation. He never at any time stopped being God. He chose not to act as God but rather to act from His humanity only relying on the Father and Spirit for all power and authority to be given to Him rather than working from His own power and authority as God.

Jesus IS unique. Always has been, always will be. Stop talking of Him in the past tense. He is the same Person yesterday, today and forever.

Goodbye.

 

[sawdust]

Yes you have Him human when He was only Divine pre Incarnation. It’s your Christology that is off base not ours. His Divine nature never changed pre/post Incarnation.


hope this helps !!!

You just don't see it do you. It is not His nature that is changing, by adding the second nature at a later date, you are changing HIS PERSON.

 

[synergy]

You just don't see it do you. It is not His nature that is changing, by adding the second nature at a later date, you are changing HIS PERSON.

False. We keep telling you that Jesus' Personhood was, is, and always will be the Uncreated Word of God. You're not listening to what we keep telling you.

 

[GeneZ]

This is for all you "heresy" lovers....

Here is a new one to add to your collection ..
Seems you do not know this one yet....

One of the most notable of these heresies was known as Docetism. Docetists—from the Greek ​

word dokeo (“to seem”)—argued that Jesus only appeared to be human. They were so convinced ​

of his divinity (which is a good thing), they became equally convinced that God could never take ​

on the fallenness of human flesh. As a result, they argued his humanity was an illusion." https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/jesus-humanity-matters-divinity/​

I wonder...

Do we have any "Docetics" here?

We have heretics amongst us...

 

[sawdust]

False. We still carry on as souls after death

Yes because what makes us human is in our soul. Our bodies enable us to express our humanity. We are created in the image of God. God did not have a body until the Incarnation. The likeness is to be found in the Person of God the Son who was, is and is always both Divine and human in His Person.

 

[sawdust]

False. We keep telling you that Jesus' Personhood was, is, and always will be the Uncreated Word of God. You're not listening to what we keep telling you.

I know He is the uncreated word of God, what you keep missing is that Person is unchanging which must necessarily mean He has always been Divine and human otherwise you have the Person of God the Son changing at a point in time.

 

[sawdust]

Where does the Bible say Adam repented I would love to read about what the Bible actually says , got Scripture?

God made a sacrifice for Adam in order to get animal skins. That sacrifice was applied to Adam. Now, unless you are reverting to your Calvinistic ways, you know the sacrifice is only applied to those who repent and believe.