The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[101G]

Can you define "Being the form of God" a little more. "morphe of form" (as you've presented" is a rather broad reference.

no problem. the term "BEING" is present tense, correct. at the time of his earthly flesh he is "Spirit", ... (IN THE ECHAD OF HIS OWN SELF IN FLESH). which is the EQUAL SHARE of himself in Spirit. which is bared out in the Last half of the scripture, "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" EQUAL .... "WITH", not equal "to". for if he was EQUAL TO, that would indicate a separate person, which why "Form" is G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') and IDENTIFIES that "EQUAL WITH NATURE. which is a "EQUALLY SHARED NATURE". let's see it. Follow 101G.
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') 1. form. 2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

the base of 3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') IDENTIFIES this EQUAL NATURE. let's see it.
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
THERE IS OUR ANSWER, "a portion" and another word for, and is synonyms with portion is "SHARE" which can be found here at, https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/portion.html#C0-1 under the first heading, "A part of a whole". and this PART OF THE WHOLE is the EQUAL "SHARE" of this whole, meaning the same one.

so, the Lord Jesus Nature is the EQUAL SHARE of the WHOLE, not an EQUAL SHARE ..... "FROM" .... the Whole, but the EQUAL SHARE ..... "OF" .... the WHOLE, meaning the same WHOLE.... EQUALLY.

I believe Hebrews 1:3 fits right here....

it do, as to his "PERSON", and not his NATURE, but his PERSON, in Reference to his, character, or characteristics, this is why he is called "Son". for the term Son is not biological in reference to the Lord Jesus. the TERM "Son" in feference to his "PERSON", Hebrew 1:3 is Rendered "Son". using the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words the term "Son" is [ 1,,G5207, huios ] primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent (See John 9:18-John 9:20; Gal 4:30. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics. Which are those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14; (h) the destiny that corresponds with the character, whether evil, Matt 23:15; John 17:12; 2Thess 2:3, or good, Luke 20:36; (i) the dignity of the relationship with God.

see this is why the Lord God Jesus is called the Holy Spirit. For Holy is his (character/Title Son), and Spirit is his (Nature/Title Father). hence the term ...... "Holy Spirit".

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Notice the "innate" qualities of Incarnation within Jesus Christ. (Innate is a better choice of words because it is more relative to "Person" than intrinsic. When you appeal to "intrinsic", you're referencing Christ more so as an "object". Not a distinct "person

101G must disagree there, for intrinsic means belonging naturally; essential, for INNATE is inborn; natural. see God is not NATURAL. the Nature he took on is. but not his intrinsic nature. remember the Lord Jesus the Christ is the "ARM" of, of, of, God. scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

question time, who is God's OWN arm...... (which is a gimmie), but for educational purposes. let do it by the scriptures, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" (God is about to reveal his, his, his, Own, own, own, ARM)....... BELIEVE. Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." (STOP, God's OWN ARM is a he, a him ..... Hello, ONE NEED TO READ THAT AGAIN). Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

one can finish reading the chapter. but we can clearly see that God's own...... own ....... own ARM is him shared equally in flesh. as 101G been saying, on earth he calls his OWN Spirit... "Father", not in a biological sense, but in a Spiritual sense of "SOURCE". ......... (smile). hence his speech, "My Father". hence intrinsic "belonging naturally; essential" Oh this is too easy not to understand.

so, as the EQUAL SHARE, he is essentially designed or portrait as the KINSMAN REDEEMER, the SAVIOUR of the World. for he is EQUAL "WITH", again indicating the same one person. this is just too easy.

101G.

 

[GeneZ]

adam did not have a sin nature. Got scripture ?

hope this helps !!!

This crazy///// It really is/ You are making God to be the author of sin.

If Adam had a sin nature?
Satan would not have been needed to tempt the woman or the man...

 

[synergy]

So let's see how well you can handle the two edged sword of the word of God. Let's see if you can continue to believe the following heresies without getting your tongue severely injured and going mute once again because of the sword of the word of God:

1. That Jesus (the God Person) experienced "spiritual death"?
2. That God the Father forsook the God Person of Jesus on the Cross?
3. That the bread temptation was an attempt by the devil to stop Jesus from being a man now that you agree that Jesus is always a One God Person, and not a Schizophrenic Dual Personality God & Human Person?

 

[synergy]

This crazy///// It really is/ You are making God to be the author of sin.

If Adam had a sin nature?
Satan would not have been needed to tempt the woman or the man...

God created our nature. If you believe in a sin nature then you're the one who believes that God is the author of sin.

 

[sawdust]

This is the unbiblical claim from his post I was saying is wrong- the new birth, born again and regeneration are one in the same. The indwelling H.S. is the new birth, being born again, renewed in the Holy Spirit, regeneration etc......

" For the Church age believers? Not the OT believers. We receive an additional gift when born again.
That new gift is the Indwelling Holy Spirit which is not to be confused for our human spirit that all receive at regeneration. "

That doesn't even make sense. You claim the new birth, born again and regeneration are all the same thing then say we receive a human spirit at regeneration. Then you claim receiving the indwelling Spirit is all those things.

So what is being born at regeneration? The Holy Spirit or the human spirit?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit

Good to hear then please stick to the Bible and discussing the differences and defending your beliefs and not discussing posters and making things personal. Is that to difficult to ask people to be respectful and not personally insult those with whom disagree with you ?

I can care less if you hate me it makes no difference to me or if you like me either way is fine with me. Just show some respect for the other side who does not agree with what you personally believe or teach.

I don't agree with things my wife believes or my children or grandchildren, friends etc...... I don't insult them personally because we disagree on things.

hope this helps !!!

Save your sob story. I have shown respect all through this discussion despite some very dubious attitudes being shown and having some of my questions ignored and comments dismissed out of hand as if I'm pulling stuff out of thin air. You made it personal when you complained about you and your forum not getting positive feedback. (#565) I simply pointed out it's not a social club. I fail to see where I have allegedly made a personal insult especially when you agree we shouldn't be concerned about what others think of us. You think differently? Point out this so called insult and I will gladly apologise and retract it.

 

[civic]

This crazy///// It really is/ You are making God to be the author of sin.

If Adam had a sin nature?
Satan would not have been needed to tempt the woman or the man...

It’s crazy you have no scripture. Questions are not scripture it’s just your philosophy at work.

 

[civic]

That doesn't even make sense. You claim the new birth, born again and regeneration are all the same thing then say we receive a human spirit at regeneration. Then you claim receiving the indwelling Spirit is all those things.

So what is being born at regeneration? The Holy Spirit or the human spirit?

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit


Save your sob story. I have shown respect all through this discussion despite some very dubious attitudes being shown and having some of my questions ignored and comments dismissed out of hand as if I'm pulling stuff out of thin air. You made it personal when you complained about you and your forum not getting positive feedback. (#565) I simply pointed out it's not a social club. I fail to see where I have allegedly made a personal insult especially when you agree we shouldn't be concerned about what others think of us. You think differently? Point out this so called insult and I will gladly apologise and retract it.

More nonsense I said the person has not said anything positive as in building up others ( Christian characteristic ) rather than tearing down someone all the time ( unchristian , the flesh ).

And I never said we get a human spirit at regeneration. Quote me as you made that up. I know exactly what I believe and teach. I’m precise with my words. You should know this with the discussion on the Trinity and Hypostatic Union.

 

[synergy]

having some of my questions ignored and comments dismissed out of hand as if I'm pulling stuff out of thin air.

We do not claim to possess all answers to all mysteries of God. Can you bring forward which of your questions you believe were ignored?

Which of your comments were dismissed? We can revisit them again if you want.

 

[civic]

I have shown respect all through this discussion despite some very dubious attitudes being shown and having some of my questions ignored and comments dismissed out of hand as if I'm pulling stuff out of thin air.

I leaned how to answer questions from skeptics from my Master and Lord. It’s not my fault you don’t like them neither did the Pharisees. A walk through Matthew's gospel and Jesus answering His critics questions.

Matt 12:9-14
9 Departing from there, He went into their synagogue. 10 And a man was there whose hand was withered. And they questioned Jesus, asking, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?" — so that they might accuse Him. 11 And He said to them, "What man is there among you who has a sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 "How much more valuable then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." 13 Then He *said to the man, "Stretch out your hand!" He stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and conspired against Him, as to how they might destroy Him.


Matt 13:10-17
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?" 11 Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. 12 "For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. 13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 "In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says,

'YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND;

YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE;

15 FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL,

WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR,

AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES,

OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES,

HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,

AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN,

AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.'

16 "But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear. 17 "For truly I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

Matt 15:12-14
12 Then the disciples *came and *said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?" 13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted. 14 "Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit."


Matt 16:1-4
The Pharisees and Sadducees came up, and testing Jesus, they asked Him to show them a sign from heaven. 2 But He replied to them, "When it is evening, you say, 'It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.' 3 "And in the morning, 'There will be a storm today, for the sky is red and threatening.' Do you know how to discern the appearance of the sky, but cannot discern the signs of the times? 4 "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and a sign will not be given it, except the sign of Jonah." And He left them and went away.


Matt 16:5-12
5 And the disciples came to the other side of the sea, but they had forgotten to bring any bread. 6 And Jesus said to them, "Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees." 7 They began to discuss this among themselves, saying, "He said that because we did not bring any bread." 8 But Jesus, aware of this, said, "You men of little faith, why do you discuss among yourselves that you have no bread? 9 "Do you not yet understand or remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets full you picked up? 10 "Or the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many large baskets full you picked up? 11 "How is it that you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees." 12 Then they understood that He did not say to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.



Matt 18:1-10
At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, "Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" 2 And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, 3 and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 "Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 "And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; 6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

7 "Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!

8 "If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than 1to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire. 9 "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.

10 "See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.


Matt 19:3-7
3 Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?" 4 And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5 and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? 6 "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together let no man separate."


Matt 21:23-27
23 When He entered the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came to Him while He was teaching, and said, "By what authority are You doing these things, and who gave You this authority?" 24 Jesus said to them, "I will also ask you one thing, which if you tell Me, I will also tell you by what authority I do these things. 25 "The baptism of John was from what source, from heaven or from men?" And they began reasoning among themselves, saying, "If we say, 'From heaven,' He will say to us, 'Then why did you not believe him?' 26 "But if we say, 'From men,' we fear the people; for they all regard John as a prophet." 27 And answering Jesus, they said, "We do not know." He also said to them, "Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things.

Matt 21:41-46
They *said to Him, "He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons."

42 Jesus *said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures,

'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED,

THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone;

THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD,

AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES'?

43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. 44 "And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust."

45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them. 46 When they sought to seize Him, they feared the 1people, because they considered Him to be a prophet.


Matt 22:15-22
Then the Pharisees went and plotted together how they might trap Him in what He said. 16 And they *sent their disciples to Him, along with the Herodians, saying, "Teacher, we know that You are truthful and teach the way of God in truth, and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any. 17 "Tell us then, what do You think? Is it 1lawful to give a poll-tax to Caesar, or not?" 18 But Jesus perceived their malice, and said, "Why are you testing Me, you hypocrites? 19 "Show Me the coin used for the poll-tax." And they brought Him a denarius. 20 And He *said to them, "Whose likeness and inscription is this?" 21 They *said to Him, "Caesar's." Then He *said to them, "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's." 22 And hearing this, they were amazed, and leaving Him, they went away.


Matt 22:41-46
Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question: 42 "What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?" They *said to Him, "The son of David." 43 He *said to them, "Then how does David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying,

44 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD,

"SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,

UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET"'?

45 "If David then calls Him 'Lord,' how is He his son?" 46 No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

That doesn't even make sense. You claim the new birth, born again and regeneration are all the same thing then say we receive a human spirit at regeneration. Then you claim receiving the indwelling Spirit is all those things.

So what is being born at regeneration? The Holy Spirit or the human spirit?

Try reading what I say with some understanding. I said this is what your buddy @GeneZ said, see the QUOTATIONS ???? Its what I disagree with and said was UNBIBLICAL. Here it is again what @GeneZ said below in the QUOTES


@GeneZ said below, not me.
" For the Church age believers? Not the OT believers. We receive an additional gift when born again. That new gift is the Indwelling Holy Spirit which is not to be confused for our human spirit that all receive at regeneration. "

 

[civic]

When he emptied himself of all His right to the powers that are God?

What was left? His human Soul.

The seed of the Father you speak of is not mentioned in Scripture. It does sound good... But it is not Scripture.

What we have is the "seed of the Holy Spirit."
Jesus said to Nicodemus that what is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Our human spirit is what the Spirit "begets" in us. That being... our 'human spirit.'

Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." John 3:6​

At regeneration the born again believer becomes body, soul, and human spirit."
The human spirit is not to be mistaken for the indwelling Holy spirit.
For we have become body, soul, and human spirit.

May the God who gives us peace make you holy in every way and ​

keep your whole being—spirit, soul, and body—free from every fault ​

at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Thes 5:23​

For the Church age believers? Not the OT believers. We receive an additional gift when born again.
That new gift is the Indwelling Holy Spirit which is not to be confused for our human spirit that all receive at regeneration.

The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children." Romans 8:16​

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grace and peace......

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Here see his original post I quoted from above @sawdust , gene said this nonsense not me and I was quoting him. Like I said I know exactly and precisely what I say, write and believe when it comes to doctrine. I have an excellent memory with what I believe and teach abut the bible.

hope this helps !!!

 

[synergy]

Here see his original post I quoted from above @sawdust , gene said this nonsense not me and I was quoting him. Like I said I know exactly and precisely what I say, write and believe when it comes to doctrine. I have an excellent memory with what I believe and teach abut the bible.

hope this helps !!!

So @sawdust inadvertantly fired a silo missile at @GeneZ who now has to answer for a belief that nobody believes, not even his fellow comrades. Let's see if GeneZ will once again run for cover.

 

[civic]

So @sawdust inadvertantly fired a silo missile at @GeneZ who now has to answer for a belief that nobody believes, not even his fellow comrades. Let's see if GeneZ will once again run for cover.

Correct the issue is with him, not me. But I doubt they will debate each other- wink wink

 

[GeneZ]

This is the unbiblical claim from his post I was saying is wrong- the new birth, born again and regeneration are one in the same. The indwelling H.S. is the new birth, being born again, renewed in the Holy Spirit, regeneration etc......

" For the Church age believers? Not the OT believers. We receive an additional gift when born again.
That new gift is the Indwelling Holy Spirit which is not to be confused for our human spirit that all receive at regeneration. "

Moses and David were born again....

They did not receive the indwelling Holy Spirit like we do.
Many Jews had been born again before the Church age began.
They too, did not receive the permanently indwelling Holy Spirit like the church does.

The indwelling Holy Spirit is "a gift" from God that goes beyond regeneration.
Its what makes us to become a "New Creation" in Christ.

There is a lot of sloppy thinking out there and much bonding of believers is done around the misconception....

But, the Holy Spirit is a gift from God to His Bride, the Church.
OT saints were not members of the body of Christ.

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ
for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Acts 2:38

 

[GeneZ]

Here see his original post I quoted from above @sawdust , gene said this nonsense not me and I was quoting him. Like I said I know exactly and precisely what I say, write and believe when it comes to doctrine. I have an excellent memory with what I believe and teach abut the bible.

hope this helps !!!

So? If you have an excellent memory?

That means you deliberately ignore what gets in the way of your personally desired outcome.

You are not a doctrinal champion sir.... You have much to learn. But your pride has wall erected.
And, your two cohorts here are quick to supply you with more lumber to keep that wall standing.


Jesus said to Nicodemus that what is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Our human spirit is what the Spirit "begets" in us. That being... our 'human spirit.'

Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." John 3:6​

At regeneration the born again believer becomes body, soul, and human spirit."
The human spirit is not to be mistaken for the indwelling Holy spirit.
For we have become body, soul, and human spirit.

May the God who gives us peace make you holy in every way and ​

keep your whole being—spirit, soul, and body—free from every fault ​

at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Thes 5:23​

For the Church age believers? Not the OT believers. We receive an additional gift when born again.
That new gift is the Indwelling Holy Spirit which is not to be confused for our human spirit that all receive at regeneration.

The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children." Romans 8:16​

Is your "excellent memory" going to remember to ignore all that was just said, and refuse to address the doctrinal points that were just repeated once again for you?


grace and peace......

 

[praise_yeshua]

The distinction is in His body, not His soul or spirit.

I don't see anything about the in what I quoted. Like others, you are working way backwards from subsequence verses to make this claim. That is not how we relate information. That is not how any meaningful communications work.

The context is the resurrection of the body. Souls are not resurrected, they are saved. Christ has always been Spirit and Soul, Deity and Humanity,

So Christ has always been Incarnate? Please clarify.

so he didn't come as a soul then get raised as a spirit. We are not raised as spirits. Our bodies are raised and transformed into heavenly bodies instead of earthly bodies. This is what this verse is referring to and has nothing to do with what you are twisting it into.

Deal with the verses I raised then we can move on to something of your choosing.

I'm not twisting anything. On one hand you insist that Christ is capable of sinning His humanity and on the other hand you seek to distances yourself from such claims. This doesn't reflect a stable theology from you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Moses and David were born again....

They did not receive the indwelling Holy Spirit like we do.
Many Jews had been born again before the Church age began.
They too, did not receive the permanently indwelling Holy Spirit like the church does.

The indwelling Holy Spirit is "a gift" from God that goes beyond regeneration.
Its what makes us to become a "New Creation" in Christ.

There is a lot of sloppy thinking out there and much bonding of believers is done around the misconception....

But, the Holy Spirit is a gift from God to His Bride, the Church.
OT saints were not members of the body of Christ.

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ
for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Acts 2:38

Just repeating nonsense you've heard from your pastor. He's not worth following.

Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

He later answered his own question.

Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

Not that you obvious care to search the Scriptures. You' prefer someone to lead you into a mistake.

 

[praise_yeshua]

no problem. the term "BEING" is present tense, correct. at the time of his earthly flesh he is "Spirit", ... (IN THE ECHAD OF HIS OWN SELF IN FLESH). which is the EQUAL SHARE of himself in Spirit. which is bared out in the Last half of the scripture, "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" EQUAL .... "WITH", not equal "to". for if he was EQUAL TO, that would indicate a separate person, which why "Form" is G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') and IDENTIFIES that "EQUAL WITH NATURE. which is a "EQUALLY SHARED NATURE". let's see it. Follow 101G.
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') 1. form. 2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

the base of 3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') IDENTIFIES this EQUAL NATURE. let's see it.
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
THERE IS OUR ANSWER, "a portion" and another word for, and is synonyms with portion is "SHARE" which can be found here at, https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/portion.html#C0-1 under the first heading, "A part of a whole". and this PART OF THE WHOLE is the EQUAL "SHARE" of this whole, meaning the same one.

so, the Lord Jesus Nature is the EQUAL SHARE of the WHOLE, not an EQUAL SHARE ..... "FROM" .... the Whole, but the EQUAL SHARE ..... "OF" .... the WHOLE, meaning the same WHOLE.... EQUALLY.

it do, as to his "PERSON", and not his NATURE, but his PERSON, in Reference to his, character, or characteristics, this is why he is called "Son". for the term Son is not biological in reference to the Lord Jesus. the TERM "Son" in feference to his "PERSON", Hebrew 1:3 is Rendered "Son". using the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words the term "Son" is [ 1,,G5207, huios ] primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent (See John 9:18-John 9:20; Gal 4:30. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics. Which are those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14; (h) the destiny that corresponds with the character, whether evil, Matt 23:15; John 17:12; 2Thess 2:3, or good, Luke 20:36; (i) the dignity of the relationship with God.

see this is why the Lord God Jesus is called the Holy Spirit. For Holy is his (character/Title Son), and Spirit is his (Nature/Title Father). hence the term ...... "Holy Spirit".

Okay. I understand you better. Thanks. I had concerns..

101G must disagree there, for intrinsic means belonging naturally; essential, for INNATE is inborn; natural. see God is not NATURAL. the Nature he took on is. but not his intrinsic nature. remember the Lord Jesus the Christ is the "ARM" of, of, of, God. scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

There are multiple definitions of "natural".

Definition... .a person regarded as having an innate gift or talent for a particular task or activity.

To be clear, I'm not referencing Christ as a "Natural" Person. However, He has innate characteristics. Intrinsic is an appeal to "things".

Innate is a broader appeal relative to Person.

 

[GeneZ]

I'm not twisting anything. On one hand you insist that Christ is capable of sinning His humanity and on the other hand you seek to distances yourself from such claims. This doesn't reflect a stable theology from you.

"Capable of sinning" simply means free will.
You are saying Jesus had no free will.

 

[GeneZ]

Just repeating nonsense you've heard from your pastor.

One pastor?????? Only one?

I have news for you.

Its you who keep repeating nonsense.........