The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ
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And you're missing the point, again!
If men are never referred to as being spirits but only as being souls, how can soul and spirit be the same thing? Why is their very being/essence never made interchangeable?
GeneZ
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civic
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Amen me too
GeneZ
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Ladies and gentlemen...
Here is a little ditty to listen to written by our own Roger Whitberg for an outro into our commercial break...
Mannnnnnnn is a soul!
Daahdee -dee... Dahhhdee -doe!
And,?
Angels are spirits!
............Can you hear it is so?"
For those who have ears?
They will say that they know!
For those scratching their heads?
They will scream.. "It can't be so!"
(They also will call rain, "snow." )
And that's.....
The way ..
.... We go!!!!
................................. Now, back to the show!
GeneZ
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praise_yeshua
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Why do you make me feel like I am Donald Trump?
And, like you are congressman Adam Shiff ?
Never going to get the truth about me from you.
And, I do not plan nor hope to...
The Supreme Court of Heaven has sorted it all out....
Once again! "Thank you!"
Again. An appeal to authority and special privileges that you do not have.
Do you expect me to be fearful of your claims? God loves me and He loves you. The idea that you have anything from God that I don't have is seriously ridiculous.
GeneZ
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Grumpy men God has mercy upon.
So? We are all one big hand?
One big foot?
You have no need for anyone else?
I know full well that I do...
praise_yeshua
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Okay.
1Co 15:45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1Co 15:46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.
Do you see a distinction here in the humanity of Jesus Christ?
praise_yeshua
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We all help one another. We are all members of the same body. The eyes and ears of the Church were established a very long time ago. They lead us through their work in producing the Scriptures.
There was a time that Christianity welcomed the doctrine of the individual priesthood of the believer. Now... everyone wants to control someone else. Even Baptist don't care anymore.
GeneZ
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The distinction is in His body, not His soul or spirit.
The context is the resurrection of the body. Souls are not resurrected, they are saved. Christ has always been Spirit and Soul, Deity and Humanity, so he didn't come as a soul then get raised as a spirit. We are not raised as spirits. Our bodies are raised and transformed into heavenly bodies instead of earthly bodies. This is what this verse is referring to and has nothing to do with what you are twisting it into.
Deal with the verses I raised then we can move on to something of your choosing.
GeneZ
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Note what you cited! 1Co 15:45.
"Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit."
He was born as Adam was created.... but without having a sin nature.
He died on the Cross as God used his sinless body as a magnet to draw in all of ours sins to crucify them.
But, after He was finished bearing our sins?
And, Jesus declared... "It is Finished!"
He no longer had to continue living as Adam had been created!
When He ascended, and was glorified by the Father?
Then the Holy Spirit was then sent to indwell all who believe.
That is when He BECAME a life giving spirit!
It says that he "became" a life-giving spirit.
Why? 1Co 15:46!
"However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
Go ahead...
Fight it all you wish for now.
But, please remember what I said...
In Christ.... grace and peace
civic
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civic
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what does "He became a life giving spirit" mean to you ?
civic
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Good to hear then please stick to the Bible and discussing the differences and defending your beliefs and not discussing posters and making things personal. Is that to difficult to ask people to be respectful and not personally insult those with whom disagree with you ?
I can care less if you hate me it makes no difference to me or if you like me either way is fine with me. Just show some respect for the other side who does not agree with what you personally believe or teach.
I don't agree with things my wife believes or my children or grandchildren, friends etc...... I don't insult them personally because we disagree on things.
hope this helps !!!
civic
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This is the unbiblical claim from his post I was saying is wrong- the new birth, born again and regeneration are one in the same. The indwelling H.S. is the new birth, being born again, renewed in the Holy Spirit, regeneration etc......
" For the Church age believers? Not the OT believers. We receive an additional gift when born again.
That new gift is the Indwelling Holy Spirit which is not to be confused for our human spirit that all receive at regeneration. "
101G
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Thanks for the question. ok let's take this one at a time. the Lord Jesus has only "ONE NATURE". he only took on or took part in our FALLEN HUMAN NATURE, which is clearly seen in him being the Son of God, (Flesh bone and blood). the NATURE he took on.
and Son of Man which is NATURE, Spirit, Diversified in that Human flesh and blood, as (spirit). who is not of this World. and as Hebrews states, Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" understand the difference between took part, and Partake, which made it very clear of his ONE TRUE NATUR, which differ from the NATURE he took part in, or took part of.
not all the time, supportive scripture, Romans 9:1 "I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost," or 2 Corinthians 11:31 "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not." or Galatians 1:20 "Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not." these are just a few examples, as with most men.
NO
in which way, specify.
again, be specific, in KNOWLEDGE? or Spirit? ..ect.......... remember, there are two Christs, before the resurrection, and after, supportive scripture, 2 Corinthians 5:16 "Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more." now, are we speaking of the son of God without glorification, or the Son of Man in Glorification, and Amalgamation of his own Spirit, per. John 17:5? again, which one do you speak of?
101G.
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