The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[101G]

False Dichotomy Fallacy- you are conflating/equivocating and cherry picking passages and ripping them from their context- pure eisegesis.

that's the best excuse you have? .... (smile). the word of God is not changing for U or for 101G, it is WRITTEN. I can see that Israel was blinded, but this is nothing but what 2 Thessalonians 2:10 STATES, "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" and the trinity LIE is a doosey.

so, when someone is trapped in a lie, 101G has to leave them alone. 101G cannot fight God's delusion.

101G.

 

[synergy]

that's the best excuse you have? .... (smile). the word of God is not changing for U or for 101G, it is WRITTEN. I can see that Israel was blinded, but this is nothing but what 2 Thessalonians 2:10 STATES, "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" and the trinity LIE is a doosey.

so, when someone is trapped in a lie, 101G has to leave them alone. 101G cannot fight God's delusion.

101G.

The Trinity is not a lie.

 

[GeneZ]

More ridiculous AD HOMINEMS once again and equivocating.

The way you unfairly reason and control the narrative makes it appear that is actually the real desired outcome you seek after.....

 

[civic]

The way you unfairly reason and control the narrative makes it appear that is actually the real desired outcome you seek after.....

Your personal insults towards me speak for itself. I have not attacked you personally just the doctrinal positions you hold.

So you are projecting onto me with your above statement. I haven’t once said anything about you as a person in a negative way.

Gang, screaming, murder, killing, self righteous , hatred etc …. In the last post insinuating that about me

 

[GeneZ]

Your personal insults towards me speak for itself.

Its not a personal insult.

If you were not the owner of this forum you would not be able to protect and continue what you are doing.

You are not attacking personally....You even act like a nice guy. Yet.....

Its manipulating another while you hold the "keys to the kingdom" of your own private domain....

The way you unfairly reason and control the narrative makes it appear that you actually seek after what you claim against me.....
Its the only thing you got. For you never can genuinely refute what I have said. You only can claim you do, but can not show how.
All you offer are theological clichés and generalizations..... Never specific.

Never chapter and verse that actually relates to what you wish to claim to refute me.

I simply figure the Lord wants me to learn something from all this . But, I believe it will not happen while its taking place.
Only after. Its broadening my understanding some of the wide spectrum of Christians and how they choose to live, and
choose to protect their world they wish to preserve....

Chapter and verse some refuse to work within. Some only wish to manipulate by citing heresies titles that do not apply to what they wish to
shut down. Shut down, because they lack the knowledge to do so, and resent having to learn something beyond what they had grown comfortable with having accepted.

 

[civic]

Its not a personal insult.

If you were not the owner of this forum you would not be able to protect and continue what you are doing.

You are not attacking personally....You even act like a nice guy. Yet.....

Its manipulating another while you hold the "keys to the kingdom" of your own private domain....

The way you unfairly reason and control the narrative makes it appear that you actually seek after what you claim against me.....
Its the only thing you got. For you never can genuinely refute what I have said. You only can claim you do, but can not show how.
All you offer are theological clichés and generalizations..... Never specific.

Never chapter and verse that actually relates to what you wish to claim to refute me.

I simply figure the Lord wants me to learn something from all this . But, I believe it will not happen while its taking place.
Only after. Its broadening my understanding some of the wide spectrum of Christians and how they choose to live, and
choose to protect their world they wish to preserve....

Chapter and verse some refuse to work within. Some only wish to manipulate by citing heresies titles that do not apply to what they wish to
shut down. Shut down, because they lack the knowledge to do so, and resent having to learn something beyond what they had grown comfortable with having accepted.

It’s not my “ domain “. I interact here just as you do as a poster and member. I rarely if ever get involved with moderating. I’m thick skinned and have not reported you once or abused any “ power “ I might use as this being my forum. I’m not that way. I’ve invited people here from all kinds of different backgrounds and who have unorthodox beliefs and who most Christians consider to be “ cults “ and I treat them with the same respect here as I do with orthodox Christian’s.

So in reality I’m one of the most liberal and non judgmental owners of any Christian forum on the internet

 

[GeneZ]

Your personal insults towards me speak for itself. I have not attacked you personally just the doctrinal positions you hold.

So you are projecting onto me with your above statement. I haven’t once said anything about you as a person in a negative way.

Gang, screaming, murder, killing, self righteous , hatred etc …. In the last post insinuating that about me

Not really... because you want the Word of God used to show you your errors to be nailed to a cross and be gone.

Here is one you always make believe you never got the post, for never can give a solid answer.

“Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine be done.” Luke 22:42​

His humanity is not Deity, but Soul. His humanity has a mind of its own. Not that His humanity will oppose the Father. It never does.
But it is not one with the Father as His own Deity is one with the Father.

And, the other one you always walk away from .....

“And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man” (Luke 2:52)​

Only humanity can grow in wisdom and in favor with God. His humanity itself can not be God. Though His humanity can function as God when God grants him unlimited enabling and power.

Some here will start to say I do not believe Jesus is God (which is a distortion), and begin hurling titles of heresies (that are insulting) to keep your minds shut.

And, you? You get together with them by giving a thumbs up. That is being insulting ....

But since you do not know what you are talking about when attempting the "heresy dumping technique" it just saddens me to see believers losing out in better knowing God when its being offered.

When ever I attempt to nail it down to make you think with the Word of God and used Scripture to make you point? Poof... "Gone till next time." Or, throw out some Scripture that does not connect with what you should be responding to.

It’s not my “ domain “. I interact here just as you do as a poster and member. I rarely if ever get involved with moderating. I’m thick skinned and have not reported you once or abused any “ power “ I might use as this being my forum. I’m not that way. I’ve invited people here from all kinds of different backgrounds and who have unorthodox beliefs and who most Christians consider to be “ cults “ and I treat them with the same respect here as I do with orthodox Christian’s.

So in reality I’m one of the most liberal and non judgmental owners of any Christian forum on the internet

Well... There goes Synergy waving his pom poms.....

There is a clique here that all are from the same school of indoctrination.... One that refuses considering any correction, and will agree with rationalizations given as to shut their ears to not even consider what someone else says if it appears to not agree with the cherished sacred cows..

Its annoying because what you do not reasoning. Its stonewalling with closed minded unreasonableness. Its a clique that will bully with "group think" that can not think with something that was actually said. But must distort it into something they can attack.. They will agree with each other using a distortion of what had been said. And then consider their own conclusion based upon that distortion to be the final word. Its like getting a speeding ticket in some small backwoods town and finding oneself in jail for the night for not being able to pay the ticket, when you know you were not speeding, but the judge, sheriff, and deputy all agree and insist that you were speeding.


And,,, I am not alone in seeing that way.....

You own trinity here are not willing to learn what you refuse to be hearing out. But in a knee jerk fashion will hurl out "heresy! Heresy!" in three part harmony, as you check each others ears to make sure the ear plugs were inserted correctly...


Its an affront and insult to try to reason here with you and your small posse.
For you all agree to not agree and agree not to reason using chapter and verse
that would be needed to correct what I have said....

 

[civic]

Not really... because you want the Word of God used to show you your errors to be nailed to a cross and be gone.

Here is one you always make believe you never got the post, for never can give a solid answer.

“Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine be done.” Luke 22:42​

His humanity is not Deity, but Soul. His humanity has a mind of its own. Not that His humanity will oppose the Father. It never does.
But it is not one with the Father as His own Deity is one with the Father.

And, the other one you always walk away from .....

“And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man” (Luke 2:52)​

Only humanity can grow in wisdom and in favor with God. His humanity itself can not be God. Though His humanity can function as God when God grants him unlimited enabling and power.

Some here will start to say I do not believe Jesus is God (which is a distortion), and begin hurling titles of heresies (that are insulting) to keep your minds shut.

And, you? You get together with them by giving a thumbs up. That is being insulting ....

But since you do not know what you are talking about when attempting the "heresy dumping technique" it just saddens me to see believers losing out in better knowing God when its being offered.

When ever I attempt to nail it down to make you think with the Word of God and used Scripture to make you point? Poof... "Gone till next time." Or, throw out some Scripture that does not connect with what you should be responding to.


Well... There goes Synergy waving his pom poms.....

There is a clique here that all are from the same school of indoctrination.... One that refuses considering any correction, and will agree with rationalizations given as to shut their ears to not even consider what someone else says if it appears to not agree with the cherished sacred cows..

Its annoying because what you do not reasoning. Its stonewalling with closed minded unreasonableness. Its a clique that will bully with "group think" that can not think with something that was actually said. But must distort it into something they can attack.. They will agree with each other using a distortion of what had been said. And then consider their own conclusion based upon that distortion to be the final word. Its like getting a speeding ticket in some small backwoods town and finding oneself in jail for the night for not being able to pay the ticket, when you know you were not speeding, but the judge, sheriff, and deputy all agree and insist that you were speeding.


And,,, I am not alone in seeing that way.....

You own trinity here are not willing to learn what you refuse to be hearing out. But in a knee jerk fashion will hurl out "heresy! Heresy!" in three part harmony, as you check each others ears to make sure the ear plugs were inserted correctly...


Its an affront and insult to try to reason here with you and your small posse.
For you all agree to not agree and agree not to reason using chapter and verse
that would be needed to correct what I have said....

I have dozens of threads on the Trinity and Christology forums that are 100% orthodox and biblical which I have started. So you are arguing once again a strawman. I debate oneness and Unitarians here and they never accuse me of bullying or using as hominens against them. But when I challenge your beliefs I get the personal attacks.

 

[civic]

And there you go again discussing other posters instead of addressing my arguments. Try reading the forum rules you agreed to gene. Will I hold that over you ? No . Try addressing my arguments and not me or other posters. That’s Christian forums etiquette 101.

 

[GeneZ]

I have dozens of threads on the Trinity and Christology forums that are 100% orthodox and biblical which I have started. So you are arguing once again a strawman. I debate oneness and Unitarians here and they never accuse me of bullying or using as hominens against them. But when I challenge your beliefs I get the personal attacks.

But why do you refuse to use that knowledge when its asked for in a current thread being discussed? When and where its needed.

 

[101G]

The Trinity is not a lie.

GINOLJC, to all.
yes, the trinity is a LIE, and a good delusion. when I was first taught the trinity...... it seemed logical, I saw the terms, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. so, naturally my mind agreed with "WHAT" i saw, and not "WHO" I saw that was presented to me. and this was without understanding and was told just believe. knowledge without understanding is dangerous. so, what I was seeing, with my, HUMAN EYES, I question not my teachers. but when I became an asst. teacher myself and started to read the bible for myself ..... "WITH" .... "WITH", the Holy Spirit as my guide, I began to see something else totally different. the Holy Ghost revealed unto me as he did by his apostle Paul, "I saw ANOTHER LAW warring against the law of my mind as to what I was seeing ... NOW". and this sight had no eyes, as in human eyes, but spiritual eyes. for what I was READING NOW was not with natural sight but with the eyes of God. so I started to ask QUESTIONS, ... and no one could answer them. so I went to God and asked him if he was a trinity. and I told God don't send an angel, don't email it, or hit me up on facebook. I want him to come to me personally and let me hear it from his own lips. about a week later I had forgot about what I asked God for, and he showed up, (I was sitting in my backyard, as usual studying my Sunday school lesson), and from his own mouth he said, "I AM not a trinity". so, from that Day, I asked God to teach me A. "WHO" he is in Name, and B. "WHAT" he is, and he did just what I requested from my heart/spirit..... he taught me from his holy Word. then my REAL EYES was OPEN. as God began to TEACH ME FROM HIS HOLY WORD, I haven't look back since... I thank God for his Teaching, and still being taught by him .... "DAILY". again as the Holy Ghost spoke by his apostle Paul, Philippians 3:13 "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before," Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."

so, by his Word, 101G know that he, GOD, is not a trinity of persons or anything else, but he is a Diversity of himself WHICH IS IN THE SCRIPTURES, both OT and NT. hence the reason why I stand firmly in HIM. all bible questions of men have he revealed unto me, so I have no more questions concerning God and the Bible.

101G.

 

[civic]

GINOLJC, to all.
yes, the trinity is a LIE, and a good delusion. when I was first taught the trinity...... it seemed logical, I saw the terms, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. so, naturally my mind agreed with "WHAT" i saw, and not "WHO" I saw that was presented to me. and this was without understanding and was told just believe. knowledge without understanding is dangerous. so, what I was seeing, with my, HUMAN EYES, I question not my teachers. but when I became an asst. teacher myself and started to read the bible for myself ..... "WITH" .... "WITH", the Holy Spirit as my guide, I began to see something else totally different. the Holy Ghost revealed unto me as he did by his apostle Paul, "I saw ANOTHER LAW warring against the law of my mind as to what I was seeing ... NOW". and this sight had no eyes, as in human eyes, but spiritual eyes. for what I was READING NOW was not with natural sight but with the eyes of God. so I started to ask QUESTIONS, ... and no one could answer them. so I went to God and asked him if he was a trinity. and I told God don't send an angel, don't email it, or hit me up on facebook. I want him to come to me personally and let me hear it from his own lips. about a week later I had forgot about what I asked God for, and he showed up, (I was sitting in my backyard, as usual studying my Sunday school lesson), and from his own mouth he said, "I AM not a trinity". so, from that Day, I asked God to teach me A. "WHO" he is in Name, and B. "WHAT" he is, and he did just what I requested from my heart/spirit..... he taught me from his holy Word. then my REAL EYES was OPEN. as God began to TEACH ME FROM HIS HOLY WORD, I haven't look back since... I thank God for his Teaching, and still being taught by him .... "DAILY". again as the Holy Ghost spoke by his apostle Paul, Philippians 3:13 "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before," Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."

so, by his Word, 101G know that he, GOD, is not a trinity of persons or anything else, but he is a Diversity of himself WHICH IS IN THE SCRIPTURES, both OT and NT. hence the reason why I stand firmly in HIM. all bible questions of men have he revealed unto me, so I have no more questions concerning God and the Bible.

101G.

modalism is a false god, oneness is a false god, a false christ.

 

[101G]

modalism is a false god, oneness is a false god, a false christ.

did I say I was a Modelist? or is that's your opinion.? if I'm a Modelist by your standards who "MADE ALL THINGS?" God right, so is that God the "LORD", or God the "Lord", which one, as PERSON...... your answer please.

101G.

 

[civic]

did I say I was a Modelist? or is that's your opinion.? if I'm a Modelist by your standards who "MADE ALL THINGS?" God right, so is that God the "LORD", or God the "Lord", which one, as PERSON...... your answer please.

101G.

you have 3 people that wear the same mask and just change roles. if it quacks like a duck, squats like a duck, flies like a duck then its a duck. a modalist/oneness/Sabellism.

 

[101G]

you have 3 people that wear the same mask and just change roles. if it quacks like a duck, squats like a duck, flies like a duck then its a duck. a modalist/oneness/Sabellism.

you didn't answer my question, who Made all things the LORD or the Lord? if both, then it's the same one person, else you explain.

now answer my question direct.

101G

 

[civic]

Oneness Heresy vs the Trinity

 

[civic]

you didn't answer my question, who Made all things the LORD or the Lord? if both, then it's the same one person, else you explain.

now answer my question direct.

101G

I'm not required to answer the same question that you have asked 100's and 1000's of times on this forum and other forums. Repeating the same question over and over again and expecting a different answer is not going to happen since my answer never changes.

 

[101G]

I'm not required to answer the same question that you have asked 100's and 1000's of times on this forum and other forums. Repeating the same question over and over again and expecting a different answer is not going to happen since my answer never changes.

because you cannot answer the question it make no different how many times the question is asked, it's how many times it has not been answered, never. but 101G can. the LORD and the Lord is the Same one Person. meaning, he, God is the ECHAD of Himself in flesh. see how easy that was. you give excuse after excuse, never an answer.

let's try this one, if the Lord Jesus say HE, GOD is a HE, one person, will you believe the Lord Jesus?........ don't lie now... ok.

can you believe the Lord Jesus who is God? well God said he is a SINGLE PERSON, and God, the Lord Jesus said it.

101G.

 

[civic]

because you cannot answer the question it make no different how many times the question is asked, it's how many times it has not been answered, never. but 101G can. the LORD and the Lord is the Same one Person. meaning, he, God is the ECHAD of Himself in flesh. see how easy that was. you give excuse after excuse, never an answer.

let's try this one, if the Lord Jesus say HE, GOD is a HE, one person, will you believe the Lord Jesus?........ don't lie now... ok.

can you believe the Lord Jesus who is God? well God said he is a SINGLE PERSON, and God, the Lord Jesus said it.

101G.

modalism is false since God is Plural in Persons and the Son is not the Father, the Father is not the Son and the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. Echad is a Plural One.

next.........................

hope this helps!!!

 

[101G]

Echad is a Plural One.

thank you, and not a plurality of three, LOL, LOL, LOL. ..... only ONE. now civic, did the Lord Jesus in this ECHAD of ONE say God is a "HE?, meaning a SINGLE PERSON" yes or NO.

101G.