The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

praise_yeshua said:
Before Abraham......

Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
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Correct, and on POINT. the Lord Jes has been telling them that is God Manifested in Flesh. ie, John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." yes, his own body he raised up. John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body." it all right in front of us, but one must have eyes to see.

101G.
 
101G said:
I will, and I'll tell him to change his toothpaste also....... (smile). does that make you feel better now?

101G.
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No it does not make me feel better....
But, I will not quite what get me to put you on Ignore (again).

May guess is you like the sense of freedom you get to fantasize in cyberspace, being able to play act the way you do.
 
GeneZ said:
No it does not make me feel better....
But, I will not quite what get me to put you on Ignore (again).

May guess is you like the sense of freedom you get to fantasize in cyberspace, being able to play act the way you do.
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Put 101G on IGNORE, that's one less he has to answer to...... (smile). and as for freedom? John 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

good night

101G.
 
101G said:
Put 101G on IGNORE, that's one less he has to answer to...... (smile). and as for freedom? John 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

good night

101G.
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Good Night Daddy!


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GeneZ said:
You have dozens of threads? And you can not come up with one answer needed for here?

Try again...

Here is one you always make believe you never got the post, for never can give a solid answer.

“Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine be done.” Luke 22:42​

His humanity is not Deity, but Soul. His humanity has a mind of its own.

Not that His humanity will oppose the Father. It never does.
But it is not one with the Father as His own Deity is one with the Father.
He always chooses to be one... and wants to.


And, the other one you always walk away from .....

“And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man” (Luke 2:52)​



..................After all that? My question is this.


Are His two natures each God?

Its not a trick question. Its something you should learn how to answer with a direct answer.
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The 2 natures in Christ duh. He was man/human hence He was born, slept, ate, grew etc.......
 
101G said:
Put 101G on IGNORE, that's one less he has to answer to...... (smile). and as for freedom? John 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

good night

101G.
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Its easier to place someone on ignore and defend ones position than to deal with their questions/answers if you do not like their questions/answers.
 
civic said:
Its easier to place someone on ignore and defend ones position than to deal with their questions/answers if you do not like their questions/answers.
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Yes we know, I have never put anyone on IGNORE, nor reported anyone. this is not what 101G is about. we who are strong in Faith must bare the weak in faith. even if that put 101G on IGNORE, they will see the TRUTH in others responses from 101G. so, putting some one on IGNORE is Childish. Christian need to Grow up in Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

and as for defending one position, if in ERROR, Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

101G.
 
civic said:
The 2 natures in Christ duh. He was man/human hence He was born, slept, ate, grew etc.......
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You still do not know what you are not getting.

That Jesus also THOUGHT with his own mind. His Soul was not just an immaterial blob...
His Soul can think like you and I think.... But, without sin.

Yes, his second nature (Soul) is not God.
But.. VERY IMPORTANT!
For when God enables His Soul with all the power of God that a Soul can possibly ever accept ?- Accept for all eternity?

His Soul becomes what? Making known...
"ALL THE GOD WE CAN EVER KNOW!"

For that reason his Soul is our contact point with the Father!
No one comes to the Father accept THROUGH Him - His Soul!

John 1:18 begins by telling us we can not perceive God.

We would be oblivious to God without some means to be made able to perceive God.

So, its the Son who is also being a Soul like we are souls?
He takes what His Soul alone is privy to by means of His unique union with God.
Making him able to know how to interpret God for us in ways and terms that our souls will comprehend and be able to perceive!

That is why it says in John 1:18 the following...

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​
and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.​

What does "has made him known," mean when better understanding the Greek?

It means that Jesus must exegete God who is foreign to us. Interpret God by revealing and explaining
God to us in ways we can understand. In ways we will be made able to relate to as human beings!

Pastor Ralph G. Braun showed me an amazing factor back in the 90's.
He said the same Greek word commanded of pastors to exegete God's Word for their flocks
is the same Greek word used for what Jesus does for us in INTERPRETING the Father to us!
Jesus exegetes the Father who can not be seen to man!

That is why the Amplified Bible rendered its emphasis as follows of John 1:18.

No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, ​
Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him ​
[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted ​
Him and He has made Him known].​
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Jesus is both a human mind (Soul) and the omniscience of God that is eternally existing in an unique union.

A union that provides our needed interpretation of God for our human minds to be able to intimately know
by having access to concepts and thoughts pertaining to truth about God that otherwise we could never be knowing.

That is why Jesus could say...

Not my will, but your will, to the Father!
The Soul of Jesus is a mind that thinks in human terms.
His Deity feeds His Soul with everything knowable about God that a Soul can know.
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Therefore...​
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Jesus by means of his union of both Soul and Deity is the embodiment of all the God we can ever be able to know for all eternity, which is accomplished by means of His Soul exegeting and interpreting and REVEALING God to us in a manner, that we as humans will and do understand!​


It was that same soul who grew in wisdom and favor with God when He came to earth to make himself
to function as THE PERFECT MAN OF GOD. Only to later return to Heaven and then fully manifest who
and what He is - this time in bodily form - as all the God all mankind could ever know of God!

Are you getting it now?
The Soul of Jesus expresses God (by means of the omniscience and power of God enabling his soul) in a manner
that souls like we are, can and will understand God, as God wants to be understood by man.

grace and peace.....

DO NOT IGNORE THIS ONE PLEASE WITH ANOTHER SUPERFICIAL HERESY ATTACK...
take your time.
 
civic said:
Its easier to place someone on ignore and defend ones position than to deal with their questions/answers if you do not like their questions/answers.
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Over many years, in other Christian forums, moderators have advised putting people on Ignore when they goad
with their questions with the intent to goad, because they clearly reveal they are not to be seeking real answers. But, only to get their way.

Read the Bible lately? ... Jesus did not spend ten weeks going back and forth with the pharisees........
Matter of fact... Jesus resorted to using ad hominems very effectively and RIGHTEOUSLY when need be.

Some folks come to Christian forums with a desire to harass/gaslight Christians whom they despised when they attended churches,
or before they dropped out of seminary. Or, belong to a denomination opposed to sound doctrine.

Need to to get the big picture... Its not one sided.

We learn to use the Ignore feature as we mature in a way that is appropriate.
It does not mean one does not have good answers to give.

It means we follow Jesus who told us not to throw our pearls before swine...


There is heaven for all.....
 
GeneZ said:
Over many years, in other Christian forums, moderators have advised putting people on Ignore when they goad
with their questions with the intent to goad, because they clearly reveal they are not to be seeking real answers. But, only to get their way.

Read the Bible lately? ... Jesus did not spend ten weeks going back and forth with the pharisees........
Matter of fact... Jesus resorted to using ad hominems very effectively and RIGHTEOUSLY when need be.

Some folks come to Christian forums with a desire to harass/gaslight Christians whom they despised when they attended churches,
or before they dropped out of seminary. Or, belong to a denomination opposed to sound doctrine.

Need to to get the big picture... Its not one sided.

We learn to use the Ignore feature as we mature in a way that is appropriate.
It does not mean one does not have good answers to give.

It means we follow Jesus who told us not to throw our pearls before swine...


There is heaven for all.....
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But we should not call our brothers/sisters in Christ who disagree with us , swine. Would you agree ?
 
civic said:
But we should not call our brothers/sisters in Christ who disagree with us , swine. Would you agree ?
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You will know them by their fruit....

In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by ​
the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren.​
— 2 Corinthians 11:26​

I would never go as far to call anyone "swine."
But, when someone falls within the description I cited?

" Some folks come to Christian forums with a desire to harass/gaslight Christians whom they despised when they attended churches,​
or before they dropped out of seminary. Or, belong to a denomination opposed to sound doctrine."​

Those people Jesus would have dealt with in another fashion.
One that would have gotten him most likely banned.
And, He would do it Righteously.

I used to sit in Bible college alongside with a few people who attended church who hated believers who wanted to learn and grow, and were willing to be corrected when shown what they had been believing was wrong. Their kind of thinking pops up here and other Christian forums. Some of them even needed psychiatric assistance...

We used to show them mercy and kindness, but never tried to reason with them. For you could never convince them no matter how sound and thorough you argument is..

"Ignore" .... then becomes a mercy option to consider.
Not to keep trying to convince them over and over after sufficient attempts were made and nothing will change.

I speak from learning from experience.
Not, from well intentioned naivete thinking as some sincere nice Christians think without knowledge, but with good intentions
that will amount to wood, hay, and stubble when they stand before the Lord... Because. their good intentions were not what
the Word of God keeps telling us.... "Not your will, but mine," will be their modus operandi.

God is immutable. He will not change,
He only honors His Word, not our good intentions.
That is why he warned us with the following..


Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone wants to follow after me, let him deny himself, ​
take up his cross, and follow me.' Matthew 16:24​

"Denying self" includes denying self of well intentioned feelings about a matter... and then denying oneself of the approval
one seeks by bonding with others who are likeminded,, Then to follow up with learning first to stand alone before the Lord,
to accept the transformation of their thinking...

And, if need be? Take that desire to keep what we prefer to believe alive to our own personal cross.

That means... not sticking to our guns when our emotions rule.. when enjoying seeing thumbs up from those
who also want to also keep their same "good intentions" alive with you.

As for bonding with others? Its good and pleases God when only those who are "one," are one in sound doctrine..

For we all must stand before Him alone. And, its alone we must decide what to believe without the desire to win the
approval of others we approve of.

Now we need to clean out what used to take up space, to now be filled up with sound doctrinal substance...
For doctrine that we are going to be evaluated for before our Lord Jesus Christ.


grace and peace!
 
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praise_yeshua said:
In my opinion, that is close to using the word "fool".
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One who is not a fool (one who refuses to believe in Christ) can also be a believer who is being foolish!


Ephesians 5:15-17

Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity,
because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is."​

God does see unwise believers as being foolish... not "fools."
 
civic said:
Ditto. Several of our old friends when I left Calvinism would use the swine verse on me. They didn’t even understand the context of why Jesus said this and for what purpose.
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So.. now you know how it feels when someone uses the "heretic! ploy" on someone without even understanding what was actually being said..
And, not caring to know what was actually being said.

No sparing our feelings when our feelings are a stronghold.. God wants us to be purified by fire.

He seeks to find in the believer what amounts to being pure gold and silver, without any dross.


For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay or straw,
their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work." ​
1 Corinthians 3:11-13​


Its much better to face a little pain of some fire now when another believer levels with you.
When he confronts you with what you do not want to hear.

To not hear, because one hates to admit to himself that he has been wrong about what he has already
bonded with others with. Others who are now his friends.

Sometimes God sends someone who will not pull any punches...
One who will not accept excuses when distortions are offered in their defense as a way to escape.

And, that is why in the past there were those who wanted to kill prophets whom God approved of....

So be it.... the choice is yours.
 

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