The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

[civic]

The Son 100's of times in the gospels makes the distinction between Himself, the Father and the Holy Spirit and that THEY are not each other. Oneness/Modalism is unbiblical. Grammar alone disproves modalism.

 

[GeneZ]

Spot on Jesus is a Divine Person and functioned as a Person, not a nature. His Deity was veiled and as God the Son functioned as the Son. The Tri-Unity of God always works in Unison together. What some do not understand is there are functions/roles within the Tri-Unity of God. Submission/Humility is a Divine Characteristic perfectly demonstrated in Christ Condescension/Incarnation.

Is the Holy Spirit not God and functioning as God because He submits to both the Father and the Son ? They would have to argue that is the case since that is their same argument with Jesus for 33 years.

Your "gang" of like minded guys have one problem....

You think things never change when God wanted change to take place.
You claim Jesus is having humanity... but then deny His humanity,

You treat Him as if His humanity was God taking acting lessons.
Thus, leaving Jesus without having real humanity as one of His natures in union.

Problems in perception happen when we fail to see the "dispensations" of how the Lord God
of Israel manifested Himself.

Before the Incarnation He was God and Soul in union... having no body. Just Deity and Soul.
As the Lord God of Israel? He was the direct contact point of God to Israel.... having no body.

Then when it came time for providing the Atonement for man's sins?
Then there was definite need for a body. A sinless body. A lamb without spot or blemish.

That body was to become our substitute in providing atonement on the Cross.

To become the perfect "substitute?" He needed to make Himself become fully as a man.
Don't believe that? I suggest you read Philippians 2:6-8 in as many different translations you can get your eyes on.

Note! Argue all you want and hold your breath in denial... But NOTE! He stopped being as God in power.


Philippians 2:6-8
English Standard Version

who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,​

but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.​

And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,​

even death on a cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
New King James Version

who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself

of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being​

found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death,​

even the death of the cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
Holman Christian Standard Bible

who, existing in the form of God,
did not consider equality with God
as something to be used for His own advantage.
Instead He emptied Himself
by assuming the form of a slave,
taking on the likeness of men.
And when He had come as a man
in His external form,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient
to the point of death—
even to death on a cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
Disciples’ Literal New Testament

Who, while being in the form of God, did not regard the being equal with God a thing-to-be-grasped,​

but emptied Himself, having taken the form of a slave, having come in the likeness of humans.​

And having been found as a man in outward-appearance, He humbled Himself, having become​

obedient to the point of death— and a death of a cross!​

DO WE NEED MORE?

Something took place as to be the means for Jesus to become like us in every way ( except having no sin nature.)


If you wish? I will leave you all screaming heresy! Because you can't think with the Word God clearly.

Maybe?
Too bad for you this time in history was not during the days of Calvin?
For then you would have been able to satisfy your murder lust for anyone
who proves you in error, and have such a one burned at the stake.
At least two of you guys would supply the matches....

The same instinct is still in us to murder if left unchecked by KNOWING the Word of God in accuracy.
We all need to face that, or lose eternal rewards to serve with Christ.
Unqualified to be trusted with the authority and power He will grant those whom become
renewed and transformed into divine thinking being able to know what the Word of God tells us
without having our sin nature and emotions refusing and denying.


For we will murder the Word of God each time we deny what it says!

​

"Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: ​

nevertheless not my will, but your will be done." Luke 22:42​

Sad to report,,,, your clique is acting like the religious self righteous enemies of God;
being are in total agreement with each other in your sin natures, that wishes to crucify
those who refuse to bow down to your preference for the denial of truth.

Jesus did say when such hatred is found in ones heart that they commit murder.... Matthew 5:21-23
For.. a thought of wrongful anger is the power of action in God's eyes.
That means He will not be able to trust you by granting you such power. Loss of reward.

Then? There will be a denial of denial.... Vicious cycle = loss of reward.

After Jesus was finished dying for the sins of the world?

No longer did He to keep himself being as a man.
THEN! That was when he returned to heaven and was reestablished as being God in full power.
Full power by means of His Deity empowering His Soul completely being all that God can be expressed through a man!

And? This time? Not without a body. But, in the fullness of Deity in bodily form.

That was the switch.

God changed now in how God is to be manifested to all men and angels!


Take it or leave it.
This forum is not Heaven on earth.
No loss on my part for speaking the truth.

In Christ, GeneZ

 

[civic]

Your "gang" of like minded guys have one problem....

You think things never change when God wanted change to take place.
You claim Jesus is having humanity... but then deny His humanity,

You treat Him as if His humanity was God taking acting lessons.
Thus, leaving Jesus without having real humanity as one of His natures in union.

Problems in perception happen when we fail to see the "dispensations" of how the Lord God
of Israel manifested Himself.

Before the Incarnation He was God and Soul in union... having no body. Just Deity and Soul.
As the Lord God of Israel? He was the direct contact point of God to Israel.... having no body.

Then when it came time for providing the Atonement for man's sins?
Then there was definite need for a body. A sinless body. A lamb without spot or blemish.

That body was to become our substitute in providing atonement on the Cross.

To become the perfect "substitute?" He needed to make Himself become fully as a man.
Don't believe that? I suggest you read Philippians 2:6-8 in as many different translations you can get your eyes on.

Note! Argue all you want and hold your breath in denial... But NOTE! He stopped being as God in power.


Philippians 2:6-8
English Standard Version

who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,​

but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.​

And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,​

even death on a cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
New King James Version

who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself

of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being​

found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death,​

even the death of the cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
Holman Christian Standard Bible

who, existing in the form of God,​

did not consider equality with God​

as something to be used for His own advantage.​

Instead He emptied Himself​

by assuming the form of a slave,​

taking on the likeness of men.​

And when He had come as a man​

in His external form,​

He humbled Himself by becoming obedient​

to the point of death—​

even to death on a cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
Disciples’ Literal New Testament

Who, while being in the form of God, did not regard the being equal with God a thing-to-be-grasped,​

but emptied Himself, having taken the form of a slave, having come in the likeness of humans.​

And having been found as a man in outward-appearance, He humbled Himself, having become​

obedient to the point of death— and a death of a cross!​

DO WE NEED MORE?

Something took place as to be the means for Jesus to become like us in every way ( except having no sin nature.)


If you wish? I will leave you all screaming heresy! Because you can't think with the Word God clearly.

Maybe?
Too bad for you this time in history was not during the days of Calvin?
For then you would have been able to satisfy your murder lust for anyone
who proves you in error, and have such a one burned at the stake.
At least two of you guys would supply the matches....

The same instinct is still in us to murder if left unchecked by KNOWING the Word of God in accuracy.
We all need to face that, or lose eternal rewards to serve with Christ.
Unqualified to be trusted with the authority and power He will grant those whom become
renewed and transformed into divine thinking being able to know what the Word of God tells us
without having our sin nature and emotions refusing and denying.


For we will murder the Word of God each time we deny what it says!

​

"Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: ​

nevertheless not my will, but your will be done." Luke 22:42​

Sad to report,,,, your clique is acting like the religious self righteous enemies of God;
being are in total agreement with each other in your sin natures, that wishes to crucify
those who refuse to bow down to your preference for the denial of truth.

Jesus did say when such hatred is found in ones heart that they commit murder.... Matthew 5:21-23
For.. a thought of wrongful anger is the power of action in God's eyes.
That means He will not be able to trust you by granting you such power. Loss of reward.

Then? There will be a denial of denial.... Vicious cycle = loss of reward.

After Jesus was finished dying for the sins of the world?

No longer did He to keep himself being as a man.
THEN! That was when he returned to heaven and was reestablished as being God in full power.
Full power by means of His Deity empowering His Soul completely being all that God can be expressed through a man!

And? This time? Not without a body. But, in the fullness of Deity in bodily form.

That was the switch.

God changed now in how God is to be manifested to all men and angels!


Take it or leave it.
This forum is not Heaven on earth.
No loss on my part for speaking the truth.

In Christ, GeneZ

More ridiculous AD HOMINEMS once again and equivocating.

Since I'm not a calvinist I would of been the one burned at the stake. Get your historical and biblical facts straight.

Your kenosis heresy for all to see in full living color above, the empty god. And your god is mutable and changes. Another anti- Biblical concept rejected by all true Monotheists.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

That body was to become our substitute in providing atonement on the Cross.

bodies are nothing and are not any substitute. Persons are substitutes, not natures or bodies. The only reason Christ can be the Savior of the world, our substitute is because HE is GOD. That is why His Atonement can cover ALL SIN.

Psalm 49:7- No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him

next...............................

hope this helps !!!

 

[Complete]

(smile), I'm not trying to be hard on you complete, just bringing out a point. listen, is not Jesus God? yes, now as for three person, listen. Matthew 1:19 "Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily." Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." QUESTION, "is not the conceiver of a child is called the “FATHER” of the Child?". see my point now.

101G/

Hi @101G,

I think I understand.

Though Into my mind comes the Spirit of God hovering over the waters at the beginning of creation in Genesis 1:3. That wonderful creative process is no more wonderful than the stupendous miracle of the conception and birth of Christ.

I would prefer to rejoice in the wonder of it, than to get entangled in the questions regarding the 'How', 'Why' and 'Wherefore', especially where it is God Himself which is being considered, for I do not want to be disrespectful.

Thank you 101G,
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[synergy]

Your "gang" of like minded guys have one problem....

This Ad Hominem alone is enough to dismiss everything you say as hostile ranting. Why do you persist on projecting your hostility to us?

You think things never change when God wanted change to take place.
You claim Jesus is having humanity... but then deny His humanity,

You treat Him as if His humanity was God taking acting lessons.
Thus, leaving Jesus without having real humanity as one of His natures in union.

Problems in perception happen when we fail to see the "dispensations" of how the Lord God
of Israel manifested Himself.

False. We do not deny his humanity at all. Right off the bat your reasoning suffers from falsehoods.

Before the Incarnation He was God and Soul in union... having no body. Just Deity and Soul.
As the Lord God of Israel? He was the direct contact point of God to Israel.... having no body.

False. Souls are created entities. The Pre-incarnate Word of God is not created. Pagan gods are created, not the Christian God.

Then when it came time for providing the Atonement for man's sins?
Then there was definite need for a body. A sinless body. A lamb without spot or blemish.

That body was to become our substitute in providing atonement on the Cross.

@civic exposed the heresy of your "body" belief quite well.

To become the perfect "substitute?" He needed to make Himself become fully as a man.
Don't believe that? I suggest you read Philippians 2:6-8 in as many different translations you can get your eyes on.
Note! Argue all you want and hold your breath in denial... But NOTE! He stopped being as God in power.
Philippians 2:6-8
English Standard Version

who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,​

but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.​

And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,​

even death on a cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
New King James Version

who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself

of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being​

found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death,​

even the death of the cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
Holman Christian Standard Bible

who, existing in the form of God,​

did not consider equality with God​

as something to be used for His own advantage.​

Instead He emptied Himself​

by assuming the form of a slave,​

taking on the likeness of men.​

And when He had come as a man​

in His external form,​

He humbled Himself by becoming obedient​

to the point of death—​

even to death on a cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
Disciples’ Literal New Testament

Who, while being in the form of God, did not regard the being equal with God a thing-to-be-grasped,​

but emptied Himself, having taken the form of a slave, having come in the likeness of humans.​

And having been found as a man in outward-appearance, He humbled Himself, having become​

obedient to the point of death— and a death of a cross!​

Christ self-emptied himself functionally to a level of a servant, not ontologically to the level of stripping himself of His Divine Personhood. He cannot cease to be the Person He is, the Uncreated Word of God.

DO WE NEED MORE?

You are free to keep ranting heretical thoughts and to continue to embarrass yourself. Don't blame us for that.

Something took place as to be the means for Jesus to become like us in every way ( except having no sin nature.)

If you wish? I will leave you all screaming heresy! Because you can't think with the Word God clearly.

Maybe?
Too bad for you this time in history was not during the days of Calvin?
For then you would have been able to satisfy your murder lust for anyone
who proves you in error, and have such a one burned at the stake.
At least two of you guys would supply the matches....

The same instinct is still in us to murder if left unchecked by KNOWING the Word of God in accuracy.
We all need to face that, or lose eternal rewards to serve with Christ.
Unqualified to be trusted with the authority and power He will grant those whom become
renewed and transformed into divine thinking being able to know what the Word of God tells us
without having our sin nature and emotions refusing and denying.


For we will murder the Word of God each time we deny what it says!

As @civic said already, we would have been the ones burnt at the stake.

"Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: ​

nevertheless not my will, but your will be done." Luke 22:42​

The will is an attribute of nature, not person. Even @sawdust agrees. So since Christ has 2 natures then he has 2 wills. I can see you reaching for your running shoes. Run GZ Run!

Sad to report,,,, your clique is acting like the religious self righteous enemies of God;
being are in total agreement with each other in your sin natures, that wishes to crucify
those who refuse to bow down to your preference for the denial of truth.

We're just messengers of the Bible. If you can't handle scriptural verses then that's on you.

Jesus did say when such hatred is found in ones heart that they commit murder.... Matthew 5:21-23
For.. a thought of wrongful anger is the power of action in God's eyes.
That means He will not be able to trust you by granting you such power. Loss of reward.

Why are you projecting your hostile thought patterns on us?

Then? There will be a denial of denial.... Vicious cycle = loss of reward.

After Jesus was finished dying for the sins of the world?

No longer did He to keep himself being as a man.
THEN! That was when he returned to heaven and was reestablished as being God in full power.
Full power by means of His Deity empowering His Soul completely being all that God can be expressed through a man!

And? This time? Not without a body. But, in the fullness of Deity in bodily form.

That was the switch.

God changed now in how God is to be manifested to all men and angels!

Tell us how this "switch" belief of yours aligns with the fact that Jesus is the same yesterday and today and forever.

(Heb 13:8) Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever.

Take it or leave it.
This forum is not Heaven on earth.
No loss on my part for speaking the truth.

In Christ, GeneZ

We choose to leave the your Ad Hominems, hostile projections, heresies, and falsehoods behind, thank you very much.

 

[civic]

This Ad Hominem alone is enough to dismiss everything you say as hostile ranting. Why do you persist on projecting your hostility to us?

False. We do not deny his humanity at all. Right off the bat your reasoning suffers from falsehoods.

False. Souls are created entities. The Pre-incarnate Word of God is not created. Pagan gods are created, not the Christian God.

@civic exposed the heresy of your "body" belief quite well.

Christ self-emptied himself functionally to a level of a servant, not ontologically to the level of stripping himself of His Divine Personhood. He cannot cease to be the Person He is, the Uncreated Word of God.

You are free to keep ranting heretical thoughts and to continue to embarrass yourself. Don't blame us for that.

As @civic said already, we would have been the ones burnt at the stake.

The will is an attribute of nature, not person. Even @sawdust agrees. So since Christ has 2 natures then he has 2 wills. I can see you reaching for your running shoes. Run GZ Run!

We're just messengers of the Bible. If you can't handle scriptural verses then that's on you.

Why are you projecting your hostile thought patterns on us?

Tell us how this "switch" belief of yours aligns with the fact that Jesus is the same yesterday and today and forever.

(Heb 13:8) Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever.

We choose to leave the your Ad Hominems, hostile projections, heresies, and falsehoods behind, thank you very much.

ditto

 

[civic]

Your "gang" of like minded guys have one problem....

You think things never change when God wanted change to take place.
You claim Jesus is having humanity... but then deny His humanity,

You treat Him as if His humanity was God taking acting lessons.
Thus, leaving Jesus without having real humanity as one of His natures in union.

Problems in perception happen when we fail to see the "dispensations" of how the Lord God
of Israel manifested Himself.

Before the Incarnation He was God and Soul in union... having no body. Just Deity and Soul.
As the Lord God of Israel? He was the direct contact point of God to Israel.... having no body.

Then when it came time for providing the Atonement for man's sins?
Then there was definite need for a body. A sinless body. A lamb without spot or blemish.

That body was to become our substitute in providing atonement on the Cross.

To become the perfect "substitute?" He needed to make Himself become fully as a man.
Don't believe that? I suggest you read Philippians 2:6-8 in as many different translations you can get your eyes on.

Note! Argue all you want and hold your breath in denial... But NOTE! He stopped being as God in power.


Philippians 2:6-8
English Standard Version

who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,​

but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.​

And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,​

even death on a cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
New King James Version

who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself

of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being​

found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death,​

even the death of the cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
Holman Christian Standard Bible

who, existing in the form of God,​

did not consider equality with God​

as something to be used for His own advantage.​

Instead He emptied Himself​

by assuming the form of a slave,​

taking on the likeness of men.​

And when He had come as a man​

in His external form,​

He humbled Himself by becoming obedient​

to the point of death—​

even to death on a cross.​

Philippians 2:6-8
Disciples’ Literal New Testament

Who, while being in the form of God, did not regard the being equal with God a thing-to-be-grasped,​

but emptied Himself, having taken the form of a slave, having come in the likeness of humans.​

And having been found as a man in outward-appearance, He humbled Himself, having become​

obedient to the point of death— and a death of a cross!​

DO WE NEED MORE?

Something took place as to be the means for Jesus to become like us in every way ( except having no sin nature.)


If you wish? I will leave you all screaming heresy! Because you can't think with the Word God clearly.

Maybe?
Too bad for you this time in history was not during the days of Calvin?
For then you would have been able to satisfy your murder lust for anyone
who proves you in error, and have such a one burned at the stake.
At least two of you guys would supply the matches....

The same instinct is still in us to murder if left unchecked by KNOWING the Word of God in accuracy.
We all need to face that, or lose eternal rewards to serve with Christ.
Unqualified to be trusted with the authority and power He will grant those whom become
renewed and transformed into divine thinking being able to know what the Word of God tells us
without having our sin nature and emotions refusing and denying.


For we will murder the Word of God each time we deny what it says!

​

"Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: ​

nevertheless not my will, but your will be done." Luke 22:42​

Sad to report,,,, your clique is acting like the religious self righteous enemies of God;
being are in total agreement with each other in your sin natures, that wishes to crucify
those who refuse to bow down to your preference for the denial of truth.

Jesus did say when such hatred is found in ones heart that they commit murder.... Matthew 5:21-23
For.. a thought of wrongful anger is the power of action in God's eyes.
That means He will not be able to trust you by granting you such power. Loss of reward.

Then? There will be a denial of denial.... Vicious cycle = loss of reward.

After Jesus was finished dying for the sins of the world?

No longer did He to keep himself being as a man.
THEN! That was when he returned to heaven and was reestablished as being God in full power.
Full power by means of His Deity empowering His Soul completely being all that God can be expressed through a man!

And? This time? Not without a body. But, in the fullness of Deity in bodily form.

That was the switch.

God changed now in how God is to be manifested to all men and angels!


Take it or leave it.
This forum is not Heaven on earth.
No loss on my part for speaking the truth.

In Christ, GeneZ

If this was presented in a seminary class with a pass or fail as a grade the above response would be a failure with both the Trinity and 2 natures in Christ. Kenosis and Nestorius are anti- Trinitarian anti-Biblical and anti-christ or christian beliefs.

hope this helps !!!

 

[sawdust]

That is me acknowledging the undeniable fact that Jesus is the Uncreated Word of God. If you wish to fall away from that fact then that's on you.

Which He laid aside to become as a man. If you wish to ignore that fact then that is on you.

 

[civic]

Which He laid aside to become as a man. If you wish to ignore that fact then that is on you.

Kenosis and Nestorious

 

[sawdust]

Kenosis and Nestorious

No it isn't because I have explained what I mean by "laid aside" and your insistence I mean something else of your imagining is simply not warranted.

 

[GeneZ]

Finally caught on to what the point of contention is.
This is a point of contention by some based upon presumption that we assume God was hating Jesus on the Cross.

Jesus was never the object of God's wrath.
Man's sins were the object of God's wrath.

All the sins of the world were gathered into one place. His Body (the Cross).

Jesus was the receptacle for all our sins.
God did not hate the receptacle.

God hated the sins while they were being held in that receptacle.
For they had to go into a receptacle which would have been where they could normally be found.... "a body."

Once all the sins were destroyed by God wrath? God's wrath ceased.

After God's wrath ceased?

The receptacle was put into storage.. and then to be refurbished back for use.

That speaks of His body only. Not the Soul of Jesus.

The soul of Jesus went instantly below the earth by means of the Spirit
and fulfilled certain things that needed to be done because the atonement was completed.

 

[GeneZ]

No it isn't because I have explained what I mean by "laid aside" and your insistence I mean something else of your imagining is simply not warranted.

If you mention keywords that are to be found in a the heresy?
You become a heretic by default.

Because they can not rightly divide the intent of the words found in the heresy.

 

[civic]

Finally caught on to what the point of contention is.
This is a point of contention by some based upon presumption that we assume God was hating Jesus on the Cross.

Jesus was never the object of God's wrath.
Man's sins were the object of God's wrath.

All the sins of the world were gathered into one place. His Body (the Cross).

Jesus was the receptacle for all our sins.
God did not hate the receptacle.

God hated the sins while they were being held in that receptacle.
For they had to go into a receptacle which would have been where they could normally be found.... "a body."

Once all the sins were destroyed by God wrath? God's wrath ceased.

After God's wrath ceased?

The receptacle was put into storage.. and then to be refurbished back for use.

That speaks of His body only. Not the Soul of Jesus.

The soul of Jesus went instantly below the earth by means of the Spirit
and fulfilled certain things that needed to be done because the atonement was completed.

Gnosticism

 

[synergy]

Gnosticism

With enough reattempts to get it right, hopefully he will eventually get it right.

 

[GeneZ]

Gnosticism

I love how you can not explain everything needed, to show you know what you are talking about...
For what you just cited... can not be explained.



What you did is like you have a list of words printed on a paper in front of you.
You closed your eyes and pointed.
Then name the word your finger landed on.

Here... have a sandwich.
Would you like some tea with that?

 

[GeneZ]

For all those who refuse to learn anything that goes beyond their comfort zone limitation, say AYE!

 

[GeneZ]

Are the two natures of Christ both God?

If they were both God? There could be no two natures.

 

[civic]

Rofl For all those who refuse to learn anything that goes beyond their comfort zone limitation, say AYE!

You said it

 

[GeneZ]

Gnosticism

Lets see what you ran from and avoided addressinbg with you answer that will only appeal

You said it

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"Before He can give you a Crown?​

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He must turn you around..."​

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“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,​

neither are your ways my ways,”​

declares the Lord.​

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“As the heavens are higher than the earth,​

so are my ways higher than your ways​

and my thoughts than your thoughts."​

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Isaiah 55:8-9​

Not everyone will win...
For they did not want to.
For they desired more to win their own way that they were always accustomed to...