The fake REV "edition".

[praise_yeshua]

No, you didn’t ask me for any “digital images” until just now. Again, are you suggesting that בְּרֵאשִׁית (bereshit)/רֵאשִׁית (reshit) is not in the Hebrew Bible? What Hebrew Bible are you reading?

I couldn’t care less if you want to start a thread about Goble and the OJB-I use it, whether you like it or not.

Now, please answer the question since it seems like you’re backpedaling.

J.

You referenced the DSS. (Dead Sea Scrolls) Prove it. I shared an image. I know what is there. If you're going to reference the DSS. KNOW what is there. Don't just read Goble and believe Goble. Make your choice in information. Blindly accept Goble or check behind Him.

You asked several questions. I'm narrowing the focus to what you need to know. What question do you insist I answer right now?

 

[synergy]

George D. Gangas
No training in biblical languages. Greek-speaking Turkish national, entered Brooklyn headquarters in 1928 as a Greek translator from English to modern Greek publications. Died 1994 at age 98.

A Turk was part of the JW Greek Translation Committee?????? I'm not racist but come on, a Turk???? It's like bringing in a Nazi to help with the translation of Hebrew Text.

This is just too mind warping.

 

[praise_yeshua]

A Turk was part of the JW Greek Translation Committee?????? I'm not racist but come on, a Turk???? It's like bringing in a Nazi to help with the translation of Hebrew Text.

This is just too mind warping.

I wonder how many will actually catch what you said....

 

[Johann]

You referenced the DSS. (Dead Sea Scrolls) Prove it. I shared an image. I know what is there. If you're going to reference the DSS. KNOW what is there. Don't just read Goble and believe Goble. Make your choice in information. Blindly accept Goble or check behind Him.

You asked several questions. I'm narrowing the focus to what you need to know. What question do you insist I answer right now?

It looks like there’s been a significant misunderstanding here.

I wasn’t referencing the OJB Bible.


Gen 1:1 in·beginning H7225 b·rashith בראשית Prep-b+N-fs N1 In the beginning he-created H1254 H8804 bra ברא V-Qal-Perf-3ms created Elohim H430 aleim אלהים N-mp God » H853 ath את DirObjM - the·heavens H8064 e·shmim השמים Art+N-mp the heavens and·» H853 u·ath ואת Conj-w+DirObjM and the·earth H776 e·artz הארץ Art+N-fs the earth.

בראשׁית ברא אלהים את השׁמים ואת הארץ׃

in רֵאשִׁ֖ית H7225 beginning בָּרָ֣א H1254 create אֱלֹהִ֑ים H430 god(s)


In Genesis 1:1, we have:

בְּרֵאשִׁית (b’reshit, H7225) — "In the beginning"
בָּרָא (bara, H1254) — "he created"
אֱלֹהִים (Elohim, H430) — "God"
אֵת (et, H853) — "the" (a direct object marker)
הַשָּׁמַיִם (ha'shamayim, H8064) — "the heavens"
וְ (ve, H853) — "and"
הָאָרֶץ (ha'aretz, H776) — "the earth."

The full verse reads:
בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
(Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.)


My question--4th time-are you suggesting בראשׁית is NOT in the Hebrew Bible and WHAT Hebrew Bible are you reading!

I can defend myself and the Scriptures @praise_yeshua.

J.

 

[synergy]

I who am an expert on understanding what we call the spirit of Christ often refer to it as him because it's tied to the living Christ and it's the living Christ I'm tied to. But it's really not Christ inside of me, but rather it's his spirit and that spirit in me is not God in me or Jesus Christ in me nor does that make 2 of me. It's God's spirit inside of me that He calls the spirit of His son and that is an it. There are other things in me like bones which are an it. My skin is an it. And again, the gift of God's spirit in me is an it. Here's some Scripture on it...

Acts
the Spirit said unto him
Agabus signified by the Spirit
Paul was pressed in the spirit
instructed in the way of the Lord and being fervent in the spirit
Paul purposed in the spirit
bound in the spirit
who said to Paul through the Spirit
were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake
Stephen calling upon God and saying Lord Jesus receive my spirit
while Paul waited for them at Athens his spirit was stirred in him
was instructed in the way of the Lord and being fervent in the spirit

So you have no understanding of Greek.
You just brush aside the Greek language like it's useless.
You humbly elevate yourself as the spiritual "expert" here.
You place yourself above the Apostles.
You're willing to change the very words of Apostle John to an "it".
You degrade the Uncreated Word of God to an "it".
Shoukd I keep going?

 

[praise_yeshua]

It looks like there’s been a significant misunderstanding here.

I wasn’t referencing the OJB Bible.


Gen 1:1 in·beginning H7225 b·rashith בראשית Prep-b+N-fs N1 In the beginning he-created H1254 H8804 bra ברא V-Qal-Perf-3ms created Elohim H430 aleim אלהים N-mp God » H853 ath את DirObjM - the·heavens H8064 e·shmim השמים Art+N-mp the heavens and·» H853 u·ath ואת Conj-w+DirObjM and the·earth H776 e·artz הארץ Art+N-fs the earth.

בראשׁית ברא אלהים את השׁמים ואת הארץ׃

in רֵאשִׁ֖ית H7225 beginning בָּרָ֣א H1254 create אֱלֹהִ֑ים H430 god(s)


In Genesis 1:1, we have:

בְּרֵאשִׁית (b’reshit, H7225) — "In the beginning"
בָּרָא (bara, H1254) — "he created"
אֱלֹהִים (Elohim, H430) — "God"
אֵת (et, H853) — "the" (a direct object marker)
הַשָּׁמַיִם (ha'shamayim, H8064) — "the heavens"
וְ (ve, H853) — "and"
הָאָרֶץ (ha'aretz, H776) — "the earth."

The full verse reads:
בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.
(Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.)


My question--4th time-are you suggesting בראשׁית is NOT in the Hebrew Bible and WHAT Hebrew Bible are you reading!

I can defend myself and the Scriptures @praise_yeshua.

J.

I've tried to answer you. Take this journey with me...

What does the word "Bible" mean and where did the English word "Bible" come from? You're asking me about a Bible. Define it.

 

[Johann]

I've tried to answer you. Take this journey with me...

What does the word "Bible" mean and where did the English word "Bible" come from? You're asking me about a Bible. Define it.

So you are not going to answer-that's it? Which Tanakh? Paleo-Hebrew?



J.

 

[synergy]

I wonder how many will actually catch what you said....

Good question. I tried to explain it with my "It's like bringing in a Nazi to help with the translation of Hebrew Text" sentence.

 

[Johann]

Good question. I tried to explain it with my "It's like bringing in a Nazi to help with the translation of Hebrew Text" sentence.

Maybe YOU should try it, a Synergy Hebrew Tanack-maybe?

J.

 

[synergy]

Maybe YOU should try it, a Synergy Hebrew Tanack-maybe?

J.

The Alexandrian Jews have already done a splendid job already with the Septuagint. I'm not one to make trouble like you're promoting or suggesting.

 

[Johann]

The Alexandrian Jews have already done a splendid job already with the Septuagint. I'm not one to make trouble like you're promoting or suggesting.

What exactly am I "promoting?"

Should be interesting.

J.

 

[praise_yeshua]

So you are not going to answer-that's it? Which Tanakh? Paleo-Hebrew?

J.

You're jumping around. We are not going to get anywhere if you keep "jumping around". What is a Bible? What does that English word mean. Define it. You asked. I'm going to answer you.

Since you refuse to actually answer this... I'll do it for you and ask the next question.

Bible comes from a Greek word biblio/biblia. Not a Hebrew word. A Greek word. It can be translated as "book". However, "book" has a late origin in Ta Biblia. It is more properly simply a "collection of writings". Pay attention to the word "collection".

The are various Hebrew manuscripts that exist that predate the MT of the 9th century. Example, these are found among the DSS scrolls. The very source you tried and failed to reference earlier. Details. Details. Details. So there is a issue relative to the "collection".

When you get to this level of "evidence", it never looks good for idea that "Hebrew" is the sole language of information relative to God's purpose in humanity. In fact, Hebrew, at times, as it lives among us now, is actually the problem.

So define this "perfect collection" you want me to adhere whereby I can answer your questions properly without dealing with alternatives?

 

[praise_yeshua]

What exactly am I "promoting?"

Should be interesting.

J.

So you didn't promote the OJB? and reference the MT as evidence?

 

[synergy]

What exactly am I "promoting?"

Should be interesting.

J.

That which you promoted when you mentioned a Synergy Hebrew Tanack.

I don't see any reason for one.

 

[Johann]

You're jumping around. We are not going to get anywhere if you keep "jumping around". What is a Bible? What does that English word mean. Define it. You asked. I'm going to answer you.

Correct-we are not going anywhere and the one "jumping around" is you friend You sound like Tovia Singer, circular reasoning

Since you refuse to actually answer this... I'll do it for you and ask the next question.

Correction, you are refusing to answer questions.

Bible comes from a Greek word biblio/biblia. Not a Hebrew word. A Greek word. It can be translated as "book". However, "book" has a late origin in Ta Biblia. It is more properly simply a "collection of writings". Pay attention to the word "collection".

Did I suggest Βίβλος is a Hebrew word?

The are various Hebrew manuscripts that exist that predate the MT of the 9th century. Example, these are found among the DSS scrolls. The very source you tried and failed to reference earlier. Details. Details. Details. So there is a issue relative to the "collection".

Referring to the OJB? I told you I use it as a secondary source-the details can be easily found.

When you get to this level of "evidence", it never looks good for idea that "Hebrew" is the sole language of information relative to God's purpose in humanity. In fact, Hebrew, at times, as it lives among us now, is actually the problem.

I have no problem with this.

So define this "perfect collection" you want me to adhere whereby I can answer your questions properly without dealing with alternatives?

Why should I? We have the LXX and Koine Greek and our English Bibles.

Anything else?

J.

 

[Johann]

So you didn't promote the OJB? and reference the MT as evidence?

No, I'm NOT "promoting" the OJB-I use it as MY secondary source with other translations as well-anything else?

J.

 

[Johann]

That which you promoted when you mentioned a Synergy Hebrew Tanack.

I don't see any reason for one.

It was just a joke; no need to take offense so easily.

J.

 

[Johann]

So you didn't promote the OJB? and reference the MT as evidence?

And by the way-yes, I read the MT.

J.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Correct-we are not going anywhere and the one "jumping around" is you friend You sound like Tovia Singer, circular reasoning

You know that hurt.....

No one has ever compared me to Singer.

Did I suggest Βίβλος is a Hebrew word?

No. I asked you to define Bible because you used the phrase "Hebrew Bible". Which is a contradiction in terms. You said those words and then applied them to both the DSS and the MT. Which diverge from one another.

Referencing the MT and the DSS as if they are the same evidence is contrary to fact.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No, I'm NOT "promoting" the OJB-I use it as MY secondary source with other translations as well-anything else?

J.

You used them as evidence. That is promoting them.