The doctrine of election

[brightfame52]

I did, and it refutes your understanding of Romans 9 and you did not address it

T

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Mar 25, 2025

Israels national election was not salvific, nothing to do with salvation election, there was another Israel within that Israel National that was about salvation Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:


That Israel is the election of grace Rom 11:5-6 National Israel was under a covenant of works.

Oh, so you admit Israels election was not salvific?

Well, what do you think Romans 9 was addressing

Romans 9:10–13 (LEB) — 10 And not only this, but also when Rebecca conceived children by one man, Isaac...

• TomL

Your failure to address any rebuttal marks you as someone who should be heard.

Nothing changes. National Israel was never chosen to salvation as a nation, it was always only a small remnant within the nation

 

[TomL]

Nothing changes. National Israel was never chosen to salvation as a nation, it was always only a small remnant within the nation

You failed to correlate your affirmation with Romans 9 and the selection of Israel (Jacob) over Edom (Esau)

It was the selection of one nation over another nation is the service of God

Your lame rendering nothing changes does nothing at all to address this.

 

[brightfame52]

You failed to correlate your affirmation with Romans 9 and the selection of Israel (Jacob) over Edom (Esau)

It was the selection of one nation over another nation is the service of God

Your lame rendering nothing changes does nothing at all to address this.

Again nothing changes, the nation of israel was never chosen to salvation, only a remnant would be saved Rom 9 27

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

 

[TibiasDad]

Salvation from sin and condemnation is unconditional, if conditional, then salvation would be of works, not by grace alone, which it is.

By grace through faith. If we don’t believe in Christ’s work, we cannot be saved. It is by grace conditioned on us believing that God has shown us his grace.

Doug

 

[brightfame52]

By grace through faith. If we don’t believe in Christ’s work, we cannot be saved. It is by grace conditioned on us believing that God has shown us his grace.

Doug

One cannot believe in Christ unless His Work saved them first

 

[TibiasDad]

One cannot believe in Christ unless His Work saved them first

Circular statement/argument!


Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

One cannot believe in Christ unless His Work saved them first

Acts 16:29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Which comes first, believing or salvation?

Hint: Believe is an Aorist Middle Active, and be saved is a Future Indicative Passive!

Doug