My NEW religion???
PCE is an ancient concept as old as the theory of our being created on earth at our conception, taught in early rabbinic literature and can be seen to be in the Bible, both the protestant bible and expressly in the Catholic bible though Christianity as a whole denies this interpretation of what is written in favour of the current favorite theory that we are created on earth...as sinners....contrary to GOD's attribute of perfect holiness, ie, HE cannot create evil by any means
Ted,
Maybe your teaching may not be new in the sense of just beginning, but it very could be a resurrected old lie, that I do not know, not knowing all that the so-called church father's believed in ~ as a matter of facts I know little, since most of what I have read, I quickly lose my desire to keep reading behind them, the reason being is that
I can see just how quickly most of them left the truth as the Apostles taught, which is recorded for us in the scriptures, and when I speak the scriptures, I'm not referring to the Catholic bible, which is the very source of many of the church's heretics that so soon came after the faithful apostles of the Lord Jesus.
Judaism
In rabbinic literature, the souls of all humanity are described as being created during the six days of creation (Book of Genesis). When each person is born, a pre-existing soul is placed within the body. (See Tan., Pekude, 3). Tan., Pekude, 3: http://tinyurl.com/cnpetph
This was loooong before Origen, ( c. 185 – c. 253), the first practical theologian in Christendom who invented nothing but was led to accept our pre-conception existence as the truth of our creation by the Bible itself.
Again Ted, Judaism, or the
Jews' religion ~ Galatians 1:14, deteriorated into one of the world's added false religion, if not
its leading one by the time Jesus Christ's death took place. No one should
ever consider using them as a source of truth, who are lovers of the truth.
Bible: [including only 3 verses out of 3 dozen verses available]
In Jeremiah 1:5 we read, "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." which Origen also quoted in his explanation of HIS pce pov.
But Origen claimed his strongest impulse to accept PCE theology arose from his study of Romans 9:11-14 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Ted, there's is not one, much less three dozen, that is wishing thinking on your part, and whoever else holds to this lie.
God's knowledge
is infinite as I'm sure you know, he knows the end from the beginning, and "
in this sense", he knew all of us
before we were ever form in the womb of our mother's. God's purposes are eternal, thereby what he purpose to do in time he knew from the foundation of the world,
every single event, and thoughts of all, not
one thing was a surprised to him, not one. We do not have the power to know even seconds before it happens ~ God's knowledge is infinite.
Isaiah 46:9,10
“Remember the former things of old: for I
am God, and
there is none else;
I am God, and
there is none like me, Declaring
the end from the beginning, and from ancient times
the things that are not
yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:”
Jn 9:1-3 The question Christ's disciples asked about the man born blind, suggests that they believed in the pre-existence of the man's spirit.
1 As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3 Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.
How does it make sense that the disciples ask if the man was born blind due to his own sin, if they did not believe in the pre-existence of the spirit/person able to sin before their existence by birth on earth? Notice Jesus did not chastise them for making an error about our creation but only about the reason for his suffering, nor did He correct them!
I just told you above.
To believe that GOD creates sinners by having them born into Adam's progeny is an incredible bit of doublethink, believing the opposites that GOD is indeed hallowed yet that HE creates evil at the same time. !!!
God created Adam and Eve after his image, which was in spiritual knowledge, understanding, wisdom, and true righteousness, and made him the head of his posterity, and placed us in Adam, which we can see the wisdom of God in doing so. His nature in which Adam was created in, had
no sin in his members as we all have coming from Adam after he sinned, we all inherited his fallen nature, which is no fault of God, but Adam's and we in him.
Why does evil exist? Some believe Jehovah created all things for Himself. But they limit His dominion by suggesting that wicked men and their sinful actions are outside His plan and control. To correct this false notion, Solomon (
Proverbs 16:4) immediately included even the wicked and their judgment in Jehovah’s creating of all things for Himself. Even wicked men and their eventual destruction are for God’s glory.
Evil exists because God gave Satan a free will. Rather than be content with his office, he swelled up in pride (
I Tim 3:6). God gave him privilege and freedom, and he used it to rebel against his Creator. The blessed God
was not surprised or even disappointed; Satan is responsible for his wicked deed; God is righteous in tormenting him forever for his sin.
Where does suffering come from? Satan brought his rebellion to earth. He lied to your first parents, and Adam chose his foolish wife over God. Jehovah made man very good in a perfect world, but man corrupted the earth by sinning against His Maker (
Gen 1:31;
3:16-19;
Eccl 7:29). Adam chose the curse of sin for his family over Paradise with God. The whole creation groans in pain, travail, and death
due to his sin (
Rom 5:12-14;
8:22).
Evolutionists cannot explain death. It should have evolved away long ago, since it is the most dreaded and hated thing in life. If a slimy salamander can evolve to be a bald eagle, then surely man could have evolved death away. Death is the wages of sin. And the Bible teaches this fact clearly, which no evolutionist will ever find in a test tube or telescope. God created death, in several forms, as just punishment for sin. Therefore, all men die.
Adam’s sin in the Garden of Eden did not surprise or confuse the LORD. He allow the entrance of sin into the human family, Adam freely chose Eve over God
without any coercion at all. Adam
alone is responsible for his sin and the consequences.
God made him perfect, warned him, and gave him only
only one commandment to keep. God knew the entrance of sin would come, yet allow it, for the ultimate display of both his wrath and mercy.
Depraved children of Adam, with hearts in all-out rebellion against God and morality, commit atrocities daily. You hear and read about them. They, nor their atrocities,
surprise or confuse the LORD. He made them as surely as any creature. He restrains their wickedness, so all they can do
is what He will use for Himself (
Ps 76:10). They never think about God at all (
Ps 10:4); they only want to satisfy themselves (
James 1:13-16).
The blessed and holy God does not make men sin, "
but He does control and use their sins for wise and righteous purposes". God is perfectly holy and good. Man chooses sin willfully against the light of nature and warnings from God and men.
God never puts sinful lusts in men, for He does not need to. They are so full of lust and wickedness, all He needs to do
is lift His restraining mercy, and any man will do anything. Believe it!
He controls and directs all wickedness in the universe to His own praise and glory. Even the devil must obtain permission to touch a man or pig (
Job 1:12;
2:6;
Matt 8:31). He can keep a king from touching a woman (
Gen 20:6), and he can use the offspring of incest for His glory (
Gen 38:1-30). He used the envy of Joseph’s brothers to get him to Egypt (
Gen 45:5;
50:20), and He used Roman cruelty to crucify His Son on a tree (
John 18:31-32).
When God needs to reveal His wrath and power against sin,
He looses men to rush greedily after their own lusts, and then He punishes them for it. About 6000 years after creation, He drowned the earth with a flood for their sins. He let Satan have David to number Israel, and He killed 70,000 men in punishment for their sins (
II Sam 24:1-25).
God controls and directs the sins of men and their punishment to magnify Himself.
