I think I will leave you to your own new religion, which is unknown to the church. It would be a waste of precious time even trying to discuss the truth with you.
My
NEW religion???
PCE is an ancient concept as old as the theory of our being created on earth at our conception, taught in early rabbinic literature and can be seen to be in the Bible, both the protestant bible and expressly in the Catholic bible though Christianity as a whole denies this interpretation of what is written in favour of the current favorite theory that we are created on earth...as sinners....contrary to GOD's attribute of perfect holiness, ie, HE cannot create evil by any means.
Judaism
In rabbinic literature, the souls of all humanity are described as being created during the six days of creation (Book of Genesis). When each person is born, a pre-existing soul is placed within the body. (See Tan., Pekude, 3). Tan., Pekude, 3:
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This was loooong before Origen, ( c. 185 – c. 253), the first practical theologian in Christendom who invented nothing but was led to accept our pre-conception existence as the truth of our creation by the Bible itself.
Bible: [including only 3 verses out of 3 dozen verses available]
In
Jeremiah 1:5 we read,
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." which Origen also quoted in his explanation of HIS pce pov.
But Origen claimed his strongest impulse to accept PCE theology arose from his study of
Romans 9:11-14 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Origen argued that God could not love Jacob and hate Esau until Jacob had done something worthy of love and Esau had done something worthy of hatred, therefore, this passage must mean that Jacob and Esau who had not yet done good or evil in this life that their conduct before this life was the reason why Esau would serve Jacob. He rejected the position that God loves or hates a soul based on its inclination toward good or evil, before the soul actually commits a good or evil act.
I add to his understanding of this story the biblical fact that GOD said they were fighting, trying to crush each other to pieces, over who would be first born so I ask: "How did Jacob and Esau in the womb know of the law of primogeniture and that they would be born into the Hebrew community and that it would follow the law of primogeniture
IF they were
tabula rasa, just created and unaware of anything???"
Jn 9:1-3 The question Christ's disciples asked about the man born blind, suggests that they believed in the pre-existence of the man's spirit.
1 As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3 Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.
How does it make sense that the disciples ask if the man was born blind due to his own sin, if they did not believe in the pre-existence of the spirit/person able to sin before their existence by birth on earth? Notice Jesus did not chastise them for making an error about our creation but only about the reason for his suffering, nor did He correct them!
Catholicism:
The Wisdom of Solomon 8:20 As a child, I was born to excellence and a noble soul fell to my lot; or rather, I myself was noble, and I entered into an unblemished body ......
or
I was a boy of happy disposition. I had received a good soul as my lot, or that, being good, I had entered an undefiled body.
pretty straight forward unless you are a
created on earth believing Catholic or a Protestant denying that the Wisdom of Solomon is scripture...
To believe that GOD creates sinners by having them born into Adam's progeny is an incredible bit of doublethink, believing the opposites that
GOD is indeed hallowed yet that HE creates evil at the same time. !!!
