Nope. Great reading comprehension skills there.
The Calvinists eisegesis of John 6:55
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Then explain your words.
For total depravity posits total inability while you are affirming ability contrary to the doctrine.
Were you unknowledgeable concerning the totality of total depravity?
civic
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Maybe a 4 point Calvinist
Many Calvinists would now reject 4 pointers from their stockMaybe a 4 point Calvinist
4-point Calvinism, also known as Amyraldism, is a theological position that accepts four of the five points of Calvinism while rejecting the doctrine of limited atonement.
Key Beliefs of 4-Point Calvinism
- Total Depravity: Humans are spiritually dead and unable to save themselves due to sin. Salvation must be initiated by God.
- Unconditional Election: God has chosen certain individuals for salvation without any foreseen merit or faith on their part.
- Irresistible Grace: When God calls the elect to salvation, they cannot resist His grace; they will inevitably come to faith.
- Perseverance of the Saints: Those who are truly saved will persevere in their faith and cannot lose their salvation.
In any case, how free will can be believed while believing everything that transpires was determined by God before the foundation of the earth remains a great mystery.
TibiasDad
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My choice is not dependent upon what God might want, God desires that every single person to be saved, but that doesn’t happen. We can choose to reject the call of the gospel to be saved, or we can choose to believe and accept the good news. Just like I can choose between a salad or a steak, we can choose to believe and follow Jesus or not.
To be independent is to be free to act despite the desire of someone else for you.
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No one says we do make a choice.
Are you free to act outside the sovereignty of God? If your once save always saved, are you free to walk away?
Nope. Keep trying.
There are no conditions placed upon election in the Bible.
I have always said grace is resistible until God decides its not.
Your words were
If the grace of God presented by the Gospel is irresistible, then there is no freedom to reject it.
If we have the natural ability to accept it and unquestionably salvation is the result, then Calvinist doctrines such as total depravity, total inability, limited atonement, the need for irresistible grace are all false.
And we can. We have the natural ability to do so.
I will say it again, grace is resistible until God decides otherwise.
Nope. You leave out moral ability. There is natural ability and moral ability.
Once again
And if all men are born with a moral inability to accept the gospel, there is no natural ability.
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The problematic issues regarding Calvinism remain.
No its not. Again, a cursory understanding of natural and moral ability is in order.
Notice the word moral? LOL
Sure there is. You could if you wanted to. Until God steps in you dont want to.
Sorry but I repeat
Once again
If the grace of God presented by the Gospel is irresistible, then there is no freedom to reject it.
If we have the natural ability to accept it and unquestionably salvation is the result, then Calvinist doctrines such as total depravity, total inability, limited atonement, the need for irresistible grace are all false.
And if all men are born with a moral inability to accept the gospel, there is no natural ability.
Hello
You would have an argument if men were born without total depravity and total inability as a result, but then you would be arguing against Calvinist theology.
Seeing as Calvinism affirms all men cannot on their own believe the gospel, it is absurd to say he has a natural ability to believe it.
The problematic issues regarding Calvinism remain.
Sorry, but if all are born unable to believe the gospel, there is simply no natural ability.
And it is not that men want to, but that God sovereignly installs faith despite man's not wanting to, as was determined before creation according to Calvinism.
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Yes there is. There is can and want. Remain in your ignoramce.
Sorry, but your claims are not rational
And you simply will not read rationally anything opposed to your doctrine
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They neither can or want to believe the gospel as per Calvinism
There simply is no natural ability here.
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