The Calvinists eisegesis of John 6:55

[TibiasDad]

Does he? How woukd you know?

Because all the same arguments you make now were his arguments 11 years ago when I first started debating with him over on CARM.

Doug

 

[Presby02]

Because all the same arguments you make now were his arguments 11 years ago when I first started debating with him over on CARM.

Doug

That makes him a expert? Okay

 

[civic]

That makes him a expert? Okay

I'm not saying I'm an expert but when I was a calvinist for all those years on the forum I had all the full support of the rest of the calvinists. I could argue calvinism as good as any of the best calvinists on that forum. I'm sure you would agree since you and I use to support each other there for many years.

 

[TibiasDad]

That makes him an expert? Okay

Did I say he was an “expert”? Ague against what I actually say, not what you want me to say.

Doug

 

[Presby02]

Did I say he was an “expert”? Ague against what I actually say, not what you want me to say.

Doug

"He knows Calvinism as well as ANYONE", What does that mean?

 

[Presby02]

I'm not saying I'm an expert but when I was a calvinist for all those years on the forum I had all the full support of the rest of the calvinists. I could argue calvinism as good as any of the best calvinists on that forum. I'm sure you would agree since you and I use to support each other there for many years.

 

[Presby02]

That is true. I would never claim we knew it as well as anyone however. But fair enough.

 

[Presby02]

Sorry for derailing this thread. Back to John 6:55 and the fact that those who come do because it has been granted or given to Him by the Father. Along with belief and repentance.

 

[TibiasDad]

"He knows Calvinism as well as ANYONE", What does that mean?

He knows Calvinism as well as anyone in this discussion forum who may be reading this discussion- including, but not limited to you!

Am I saying @civic is the epitome of knowledge, understanding or intelligence? No, that human being probably isn’t in this forum, but when he speaks, he is as credible as anyone can be in his opinion, your disbelief notwithstanding.

Doug

 

[Presby02]

He knows Calvinism as well as anyone in this discussion forum who may be reading this discussion- including, but not limited to you!

Am I saying @civic is the epitome of knowledge, understanding or intelligence? No, that human being probably isn’t in this forum, but when he speaks, he is as credible as anyone can be in his opinion, your disbelief notwithstanding.

Doug

I did not say i did not believe him.

Weather he knows it as well I do is debatable.

How well do you know Calvinism to be able to make such judgements?

 

[TibiasDad]

I did not say i did not believe him.

If you did believe him, you wouldn’t be a Calvinist…

Weather he knows it as well I do is debatable.

Not from my experience…

How well do you know Calvinism to be able to make such judgements?

Well enough to answer any objections you may have.


Doug

 

[Presby02]

If you did believe him, you wouldn’t be a Calvinist…


Not from my experience…


Well enough to answer any objections you may have.


Doug

I have to be a Calvinist. Its where my conviction lies. With the truth.

We can put your claim to the test anytime you like.

Any objections to what? LOL What are you talking about?

 

[TomL]

I have to be a Calvinist. Its where my conviction lies. With the truth.

We can put your claim to the test anytime you like.

Any objections to what? LOL What are you talking about?

Does that mean you will address scriptures when they are posted in contradiction to your theology?

 

[TibiasDad]

I have to be a Calvinist. Its where my conviction lies. With the truth.

Then you don’t agree/believe him.

We can put your claim to the test anytime you like.

@civic proves it every time he responds to you.

Any objections to what? LOL What are you talking about?

Everything thing in your Soteriology objects to mine. I say we can choose or reject the gospel of our own free will; you object! I can deal with your objections!

Doug

 

[TomL]

Then you don’t agree/believe him.


@civic proves it every time he responds to you.


Everything thing in your Soteriology objects to mine. I say we can choose or reject the gospel of our own free will; you object! I can deal with your objections!

Doug

Yes, but will he deal with your scriptural objections?

 

[Selah]

conclusion: only believers will come to Him, not unbelievers- those who are totally depraved sinners. The question is will you believe Jesus or the doctrines of man that are in error ?

Yes, only believers through faith in the Cross will come to Jesus. … selah

 

[Presby02]

Then you don’t agree/believe him.


@civic proves it every time he responds to you.


Everything thing in your Soteriology objects to mine. I say we can choose or reject the gospel of our own free will; you object! I can deal with your objections!

Doug

Does he? You sure? In order to make that claim you would also need to be a expert. Are you?

I say the same thing. We can choose to accept or reject the gospel freely. We all have the natural ability to do so. Your off to a great start.

 

[TibiasDad]

Does he? You sure? In order to make that claim you would also need to be an expert. Are you?

I am a seasoned veteran, trained and practiced and commissioned by those superior to me; I don’t need to be an “expert” in your eyes. I am qualified enough to comprehend what I read and experience and your naysaying is meaningless banter.

I have experienced @civic for many years, I know where he was more than a decade ago, and I know where he’s at now.

I say the same thing. We can choose to accept or reject the gospel freely. We all have the natural ability to do so. Your off to a great start.

You say you do, but election says God chooses what we choose. He who chooses first determines the choice’s results. My choice cannot be anything other than what God has determined. There is no freedom, no independence.

Doug

 

[TomL]

Does he? You sure? In order to make that claim you would also need to be a expert. Are you?

I say the same thing. We can choose to accept or reject the gospel freely. We all have the natural ability to do so. Your off to a great start.

So then do you deny unconditional election and irresistible grace?

 

[Presby02]

I am a seasoned veteran, trained and practiced and commissioned by those superior to me; I don’t need to be an “expert” in your eyes. I am qualified enough to comprehend what I read and experience and your naysaying is meaningless banter.

I have experienced @civic for many years, I know where he was more than a decade ago, and I know where he’s at now.



You say you do, but election says God chooses what we choose. He who chooses first determines the choice’s results. My choice cannot be anything other than what God has determined. There is no freedom, no independence.

Doug

Speaking of ignorant meaningless banter. Take a gander in the mirror. Seasoned veteran at what? LOL

Election is actually being chosen to be saved. It has nothing to do with what you do orher than your choice to believe and repent.

Your choice is used by God to carry out what He has determined to occur.

No independence? Interesting word choice. Independence from what? God? Freedom from what exactly God?