The Calvinists eisegesis of John 6:55

[Presby02]

Then has God saved me and led me to disagree and argue against Reform theology?

Doug

Apparently. He has his reasons.

 

[Presby02]

Very helpful! So we know who the Father draws - those who believe. This is exactly the same as the question: "Who does the Father elect or choose?" We know the answer to that too, it's the same answer - those who believe in Jesus.

Never stated anywhere in scripture. You choose God because God chose you. Not the other way around.

 

[TomL]

God determined you to believe and does so without using force or coercion. So you believe freely.

The issue is not natural ability, its moral ability. You can but you dont want to. Its a heart issue, hence it is replaced.

Sorry, if everyone is born hating God, unable to believe, there is no natural ability to believe.

Then, being born in that condition, no one has any desire to believe so; if it is done, it is contrary to human will.

Sounds like force or coercion.

Further, while God had determined this reprobation, he then commands all to believe who he

determined cannot and then punishes eternally those who cannot overcome the condition he determined all

would be born under.

There are some serious issues with that theology.

 

[Selah]

Never stated anywhere in scripture. You choose God because God chose you. Not the other way around.

… and God chose you because you believed.

 

[TomL]

Never stated anywhere in scripture. You choose God because God chose you. Not the other way around.

Scriptures telling man to choose, revere or love God

Deuteronomy 30:19–20 (LEB) — 19 I invoke as a witness against you today the heaven and the earth: life and death I have set before you, blessing and curse. So choose life, so that you may live, you and your offspring, 20 by loving Yahweh your God by listening to his voice and by clinging to him, for he is your life and the length of your days in order for you to live on the land that Yahweh swore to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to them.”

1 Kings 18:21 (LEB) — 21 Elijah approached to all the people and said, “How long will you go limping over two opinions? If Yahweh is God, go after him; but if Baal, go after him.” But the people did not answer him a word.

Proverbs 3:5–6 (LEB) — 5 Trust Yahweh with all your heart; do not lean toward your own understanding. 6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will straighten your paths.

Joshua 24:14–15 (LEB) — 14 “So now, revere Yahweh and serve him in sincerity and faithfulness; remove the gods that your ancestors served beyond the river and in Egypt, and serve Yahweh. 15 But if it is bad in your eyes to serve Yahweh, choose for yourselves today whom you want to serve, whether it is the gods that your ancestors served beyond the river, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve Yahweh.”

 

[TomL]

Apparently. He has his reasons.

You don't think it strange if God determines his people to argue against his truth?