Apparently. He has his reasons.
The Calvinists eisegesis of John 6:55
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Never stated anywhere in scripture. You choose God because God chose you. Not the other way around.
Sorry, if everyone is born hating God, unable to believe, there is no natural ability to believe.
Then, being born in that condition, no one has any desire to believe so; if it is done, it is contrary to human will.
Sounds like force or coercion.
Further, while God had determined this reprobation, he then commands all to believe who he
determined cannot and then punishes eternally those who cannot overcome the condition he determined all
would be born under.
There are some serious issues with that theology.
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… and God chose you because you believed.
Scriptures telling man to choose, revere or love God
Deuteronomy 30:19–20 (LEB) — 19 I invoke as a witness against you today the heaven and the earth: life and death I have set before you, blessing and curse. So choose life, so that you may live, you and your offspring, 20 by loving Yahweh your God by listening to his voice and by clinging to him, for he is your life and the length of your days in order for you to live on the land that Yahweh swore to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to them.”
1 Kings 18:21 (LEB) — 21 Elijah approached to all the people and said, “How long will you go limping over two opinions? If Yahweh is God, go after him; but if Baal, go after him.” But the people did not answer him a word.
Proverbs 3:5–6 (LEB) — 5 Trust Yahweh with all your heart; do not lean toward your own understanding. 6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will straighten your paths.
Joshua 24:14–15 (LEB) — 14 “So now, revere Yahweh and serve him in sincerity and faithfulness; remove the gods that your ancestors served beyond the river and in Egypt, and serve Yahweh. 15 But if it is bad in your eyes to serve Yahweh, choose for yourselves today whom you want to serve, whether it is the gods that your ancestors served beyond the river, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve Yahweh.”
You don't think it strange if God determines his people to argue against his truth?
John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
According to Jesus, there is a real possibility man can believe.
Selah
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Yes, because God has given us all a free will to choose.
Yep these also lays out the possibility
Romans 10:8–10 (LEB) — 8 But what does it say? “The word is near to you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim), 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.
Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.
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Yes there is. We are born morally incapable not naturally.
Sounds like it to you. That i dont doubt. LOL
He sure does. You ought to believe. That in mo way implies ability to believe.
There might be serious issues for sure. Your challenge is to find them. Good luck
Of course the verse says no such thing. Where do you see the word possoble or possibility?
Says the Bible nowhere.… and God chose you because you believed.
Again, ought does not imply ability.
Sorry but it seems pretty obvious
if everyone is born hating God, unable to believe, there is no natural ability to believe.
BTW
Then, being born in that condition, no one has any desire to believe so; if it is done by God, it is contrary to human will in your theology.
So it sounds like force or coercion.
Further, while God had determined this reprobation, he then commands all to believe who he
determined cannot and then punishes eternally those who cannot overcome the condition he determined all
would be born under.
There are some serious issues with that theology.
God himself determines all men reprobate, then punishes them because they are what he determined.
additionally
Romans 10:8–10 (LEB) — 8 But what does it say? “The word is near to you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim), 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.
Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.
John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
The verses above reflect a real natural ability contrary to your theology.
So you want us to believe God commands men to do what he had determined they could not do
Scriptures here hoever are telling man to choose, revere or love God
Deuteronomy 30:19–20 (LEB) — 19 I invoke as a witness against you today the heaven and the earth: life and death I have set before you, blessing and curse. So choose life, so that you may live, you and your offspring, 20 by loving Yahweh your God by listening to his voice and by clinging to him, for he is your life and the length of your days in order for you to live on the land that Yahweh swore to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to them.”
1 Kings 18:21 (LEB) — 21 Elijah approached to all the people and said, “How long will you go limping over two opinions? If Yahweh is God, go after him; but if Baal, go after him.” But the people did not answer him a word.
Proverbs 3:5–6 (LEB) — 5 Trust Yahweh with all your heart; do not lean toward your own understanding. 6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will straighten your paths.
Joshua 24:14–15 (LEB) — 14 “So now, revere Yahweh and serve him in sincerity and faithfulness; remove the gods that your ancestors served beyond the river and in Egypt, and serve Yahweh. 15 But if it is bad in your eyes to serve Yahweh, choose for yourselves today whom you want to serve, whether it is the gods that your ancestors served beyond the river, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve Yahweh.”
That would be true natural ability.
Exactly. Thanks. You could but wont.
Nope. Where is the force or coercion?
No they dont. Saying iy dont make it so. Where do they mention natural ability?
I could care less what you believe.
The answer to your question is yes. Does God expect you to keep the law? Or is it a do the best you can?
Choose does not imply ability.
Burden of proof lies with you sir.
Toms claim: choose implies ability. Were listening
Those proof texts imply no such thing. Repeating yourself incessantly is not proof.
Selah
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If you love God, that means you believe in Him, right? We know that everything happens for the good of those who love God—not to just anybody, but especially to those who are called according to God's purpose.
Romans 8:28-30 (NKJV) 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to [His] purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
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