The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[101G]

but do you see that @101G preaches Oneness with tenacity and energy every day, posts walls of scripture and supporting evidence, but has completely missed the mark?

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the post, but that's "Diversified Oneness". ..... ok. and as for missing the mark, 101G never left the path of truth.

The Trinity doctrine is in the same boat as these other doctrines. It is never directly talked about. Like the other aforementioned doctrines, the Trinity also comes from Catholicism.

See how you're mishandling the Scriptures yet?

Run, Run, you accuse other of mishandling scriptures and you're doing the same. case in point, said,
Runningman said: "Jesus said don't ask him for anything later.
John 16 KJV
23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Listen carefully. John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son." John 14:14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

101G.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

John thought it is interesting as he reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” John 1:1-14 These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh.

Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God.

what i dont think a lot of folks really realize is , is that when one honors the SON they honor the FATHER .
in other words its not a comparision of whom or which one we ought to worship and to glorify .
HE who honors the SON honors the FATHER who sent HIM . but mark my next words well
HE WHO DISHONORS the SON , DISHONORS THE FATHER .
HE who recieves not the gospel message we bring , recieves not HE who sent us
and HE who rejects HIM , REJECTS HIM WHO SENT HIM .
This interfaith crap is of anti christ and we better have no part in it my friend . That lie DISHONORS THE SON
DISHONORS THE FATHER . as it implies all religoins serve the same GOD we do .
HE who recieves NOT the testimony that GOD himself gave of the SON , THey aint worshipping
him , THEY CALLING HIM A LIAR . the TRUTH IS NOT IN ONE WHO CALLETH GOD A LIAR .

 

[Matthias]

what i dont think a lot of folks really realize is , is that when one honors the SON they honor the FATHER .
in other words its not a comparision of whom or which one we ought to worship and to glorify .
HE who honors the SON honors the FATHER who sent HIM . but mark my next words well
HE WHO DISHONORS the SON , DISHONORS THE FATHER .
HE who recieves not the gospel message we bring , recieves not HE who sent us
and HE who rejects HIM , REJECTS HIM WHO SENT HIM .
This interfaith crap is of anti christ and we better have no part in it my friend . That lie DISHONORS THE SON
DISHONORS THE FATHER . as it implies all religoins serve the same GOD we do .
HE who recieves NOT the testimony that GOD himself gave of the SON , THey aint worshipping
him , THEY CALLING HIM A LIAR . the TRUTH IS NOT IN ONE WHO CALLETH GOD A LIAR .

Good understanding.

In everything he did and said, Jesus sought to bring honor and glory to God the Father. Jesus glorified God through his obedient life, sacrificial death on the cross, miraculous works, and teachings that revealed the character of God.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Good understanding.

In everything he did and said, Jesus sought to bring honor and glory to God the Father. Jesus glorified God through his obedient life, sacrificial death on the cross, miraculous works, and teachings that revealed the character of God.

I have manifest THY NAME .
GLORIFY thy NAME .
I have both glorified it and shall glorify IT again . THY NAME .
Sanctify them IN THY TRUTH , THY WORD IS TRUTH .
a little later
HE also says , I SANTICFY MYSELF .........
real peculiar words here my friend .
No man takes my LIFE from me
I have the power to lay it down and i have the POWER to raise it up .
rather interesting indeed .
But is it not written that in the BEGINNING was the WORD
and that the WORD was with GOD and that GOD was the WORD .
that all things were created BY HIM . rather intersting indeed .
MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE and the voice of a stranger they jus AINT GONNA HEED .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

just a real friendly , yet dire necessary , reminder to all .
IF ITS WRITTEN , JUST BELEIVE what is written if even you do not yet understand it . The understanding will come in time .
BUT BEWARE OF MEN for many decievers and twisters of the Word are all over even the realm of christendom itself

 

[101G]

just a real friendly , yet dire necessary , reminder to all .
IF ITS WRITTEN , JUST BELEIVE what is written if even you do not yet understand it . The understanding will come in time .
BUT BEWARE OF MEN for many decievers and twisters of the Word are all over even the realm of christendom itself

101G agree, "believe what is written", with understanding in the Wisdom of God. May 101G ask you a question. these two verses.

Verse #1. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." HIM here is the Word in John 1:1 who is God.

Verse #2. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

'is this the same "ONE" PERSON in both Scriptures that "MADE ALL THINGS?" yes or no.

in much GL.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

just a real friendly , yet dire necessary , reminder to all .
IF ITS WRITTEN , JUST BELEIVE what is written if even you do not yet understand it . The understanding will come in time .
BUT BEWARE OF MEN for many decievers and twisters of the Word are all over even the realm of christendom itself

I agree. I am afraid this board would become a ghost town if they stopped though.

 

[Runningman]

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the post, but that's "Diversified Oneness". ..... ok. and as for missing the mark, 101G never left the path of truth.

Run, Run, you accuse other of mishandling scriptures and you're doing the same. case in point, said,
Runningman said: "Jesus said don't ask him for anything later.
John 16 KJV
23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Listen carefully. John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son." John 14:14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

101G.

After Jesus said that in John 14:12 he said don't ask him for anything later.

 

[101G]

After Jesus said that in John 14:12 he said don't ask him for anything later.

Acts 3:1 "Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour." Acts 3:2 "And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;" Acts 3:3 "Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms." Acts 3:4 "And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us." Acts 3:5 "And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them." Acts 3:6 "Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk." Acts 3:7 "And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ancle bones received strength." Acts 3:8 "And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God."

in who NAME?

101G

 

[Runningman]

You are still holding true to your name by continuing to run away from my question. Here is my question again:

Now to show that I do answer questions, unlike you, I'll answer your question:

It's laughable you think I need to take the bait regarding your attempts to convert me to Islam. What a joke.

This is way too easy. See John 8:24. Your dirt poor understanding of Greek and your multiple heretical theories will immediately flood and blind your mind. Go ahead and expose your ignorance for all to see.

(John 8:24) That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM (ἐγώ εἰμι), you will die in your sins.”

Acts 3:13 and Exodus 3:14,15 together prove that Jesus is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob but the God of Abraham is the I AM. Therefore, Jesus is not the I AM, God, YHWH, etc. You name it. If you practice idolatry you will die in your sins... It's not too late to repent.

 

[Runningman]

Acts 3:1 "Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour." Acts 3:2 "And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;" Acts 3:3 "Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms." Acts 3:4 "And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us." Acts 3:5 "And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them." Acts 3:6 "Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk." Acts 3:7 "And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ancle bones received strength." Acts 3:8 "And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God."

in who NAME?

101G

Read more. Acts 4 shows that the Creator and Sovereign Lord isn't Jesus Christ, but rather Jesus and David are His servants. God performs miracles through the use of Jesus' name. When will you believe?

Acts 4
23When they were released, they went to their friends and reported what the chief priests and the elders had said to them. 24And when they heard it, they lifted their voices together to God and said, “Sovereign Lord, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them, 25who through the mouth of our father David, your servant, said by the Holy Spirit,


“‘Why did the Gentiles rage,
and the peoples plot in vain?
26The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers were gathered together,
against the Lord and against his Anointed’—

27for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place. 29And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness, 30while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”

 

[101G]

Acts 3:13 and Exodus 3:14,15 together prove that Jesus is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob but the God of Abraham is the I AM. Therefore, Jesus is not the I AM, God, YHWH, etc. You name it. If you practice idolatry you will die in your sins... It's not too late to repent.

The apostle Paul, and the disciple in scripture agree that the Lords Jesus is God.... the I AM. before you ask someone to repent. Act 3:13 proves the Lord Jesus is the God of our fathers. LISTEN,

Acts 22:12 "And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there," Acts 22:13 "Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him." Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth."
That term "Chosen" is the Greek term
G4400 προχειρίζομαι procheirizomai (pro-chei-riy'-zo-mai) v.
1. to handle for oneself in advance.
2. (figuratively) to purpose.
[middle voice from G4253 and a derivative of G5495]
KJV: choose, make
Root(s): G4253, G5495

this word is also translated as "make" as you can see. and the apostle Paul confirms that the God of our fathers is Jesus christ as he was before king Agrippa in this third account of the same event with more detail. which is found in Acts 26:13 "At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me." Acts 26:14 "And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks." Acts 26:15 "And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest." Acts 26:16 "But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;"
that term "MAKE" is the same term used by Ananias in saying that Jesus is God, (the God of our fathers), yes the GOD of our fathers.

so, do you believe the bible? if you do then your doctrine and theology are in ERROR. we suggest you read these scriptures for yourself.

101G.

 

[101G]

Read more. Acts 4 shows that the Creator and Sovereign Lord isn't Jesus Christ, but rather Jesus and David are His servants. God performs miracles through the use of Jesus' name. When will you believe?

Acts 4
23When they were released, they went to their friends and reported what the chief priests and the elders had said to them. 24And when they heard it, they lifted their voices together to God and said, “Sovereign Lord, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them, 25who through the mouth of our father David, your servant, said by the Holy Spirit,


“‘Why did the Gentiles rage,
and the peoples plot in vain?
26The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers were gathered together,
against the Lord and against his Anointed’—

27for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place. 29And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness, 30while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”

see above post.... the God of our fathers is JESUS the GREAT I AM. (smile).

101G.

 

[101G]

@Runningman,
after you finish reading post #2,652. now that NAME of God, or that false name of God given by men. scripture, Exodus 6:1 "Then the LORD said unto Moses, Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land." Exodus 6:2 "And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:" Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

read that verse 3 carefully. is says, the LORD, GOD, was not know to Abraham as "Jehovah" right, read it again for clarity. now this, Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."

STOP, LOOK and LISTEN. did not God himself told Moses in Exodus 6:3, (Which comes after Genesis), that Abraham did not know him by name Jehovah? so why in Genesis 22:14 that name is in Abraham mouth? did God LIE? no, God forbid. did Abraham Lie, no, God forbid. well then how did the name "Jehovah" get into Abraham mouth then? answer the translators put it there. meaning that Jehovah is a made up name by men.

now if you want to KNOW God real name from the OT perspective, which is JESUS, there are several places in the OT that it is revealed.

see I AM, from which men added the vowels to YHWH to YAHWEH, or JHVH to get, JeHoVaH. that (יהוה), Yodh, He, Waw, He have messed up a many Christians.

first off, YHWH or I AM is a verb and not a noun..... YIKES! that's one first mistake. second, understand God name, H3442, Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin

now if you want that name from the OT... Just ask....

101G.

 

[synergy]

It's laughable you think I need to take the bait regarding your attempts to convert me to Islam. What a joke.

What's laughable is that you refuse to acknowledge the fact that you are already a hostage of Muslim anti-Trinitarian beliefs. So it's not that I want you to become Muslim, you are already an anti-Trinitarian, as all Muslims are. So you would fit right in with them.

Acts 3:13 and Exodus 3:14,15 together prove that Jesus is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob but the God of Abraham is the I AM. Therefore, Jesus is not the I AM, God, YHWH, etc. You name it. If you practice idolatry you will die in your sins... It's not too late to repent.

Huh? Jesus explicitly said that he is the I AM in John 8:24 and in several other passages. It's come to the point that you are now blatantly contradicting what Jesus explicitly said in no uncertain terms, that he is the I AM. Your Judaizing anti-Trinitarian heresies have just crashed and burned

 

[Runningman]

What's laughable is that you refuse to acknowledge the fact that you are already a hostage of Muslim anti-Trinitarian beliefs. So it's not that I want you to become Muslim, you are already an anti-Trinitarian, as all Muslims are. So you would fit right in with them.

You should join a mosque if you want to convert to Islam. I can't stop you, but I don't recommend it. Are you interested in know who the real Jesus is? My door is open.

Huh? Jesus explicitly said that he is the I AM in John 8:24 and in several other passages. It's come to the point that you are now blatantly contradicting what Jesus explicitly said in no uncertain terms, that he is the I AM. Your Judaizing anti-Trinitarian heresies have just crashed and burned

The God of Abraham is YHWH, the I AM and that is His name forever. Jesus was never called God's name because he isn't God.

Exodus 3​

14God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’” 15God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.​

Jesus is the servant of the God of Abraham. Therefore Jesus is not the I AM. Checkmate. Now run to your mosque Islamizer.

Acts 3​

13The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus,​

 

[Runningman]

The apostle Paul, and the disciple in scripture agree that the Lords Jesus is God.... the I AM.

Not according to Scripture. YHWH and Jesus aren't the same person. Listen.

Acts 2
21And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’
22“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman,
after you finish reading post #2,652. now that NAME of God, or that false name of God given by men. scripture, Exodus 6:1 "Then the LORD said unto Moses, Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land." Exodus 6:2 "And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:" Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

read that verse 3 carefully. is says, the LORD, GOD, was not know to Abraham as "Jehovah" right, read it again for clarity. now this, Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."

STOP, LOOK and LISTEN. did not God himself told Moses in Exodus 6:3, (Which comes after Genesis), that Abraham did not know him by name Jehovah? so why in Genesis 22:14 that name is in Abraham mouth? did God LIE? no, God forbid. did Abraham Lie, no, God forbid. well then how did the name "Jehovah" get into Abraham mouth then? answer the translators put it there. meaning that Jehovah is a made up name by men.

now if you want to KNOW God real name from the OT perspective, which is JESUS, there are several places in the OT that it is revealed.

see I AM, from which men added the vowels to YHWH to YAHWEH, or JHVH to get, JeHoVaH. that (יהוה), Yodh, He, Waw, He have messed up a many Christians.

I am under the impression you're the one who needs to be listening in learning in silence here.

Let's take this step by step. Does Exodus 3:14,15 say YHWH, the I AM, the God of Abraham, etc is God's name forever? YES.

Now, is Jesus ever called any of those names? NO

Now what?

first off, YHWH or I AM is a verb and not a noun..... YIKES! that's one first mistake. second, understand God name, H3442, Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin

now if you want that name from the OT... Just ask....

101G.

This is stunning dishonesty or poor scholarship. YHWH is a noun in the Bible because it's a name.

 

[101G]

I am under the impression you're the one who needs to be listening in learning in silence here.

Let's take this step by step. Does Exodus 3:14,15 say YHWH, the I AM, the God of Abraham, etc is God's name forever? YES.

Now, is Jesus ever called any of those names? NO

Now what?

This is stunning dishonesty or poor scholarship. YHWH is a noun in the Bible because it's a name.

no excuses, nor personal opinions........

second, I AM or H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. it's not a noun.... it's a verb. now go and look it up

101G

 

[synergy]

You should join a mosque if you want to convert to Islam. I can't stop you, but I don't recommend it. Are you interested in know who the real Jesus is? My door is open.

Now you're hallucinating that I might want to convert to Islam. You've lost your grip on reality with such bizarre claims.

The God of Abraham is YHWH, the I AM and that is His name forever. Jesus was never called God's name because he isn't God.

Exodus 3​

14God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’” 15God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.​

Jesus is the servant of the God of Abraham. Therefore Jesus is not the I AM. Checkmate. Now run to your mosque Islamizer.

Acts 3​

13The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus,​

Again, Jesus explicitly said that he is the I AM in John 8:24 and in several other passages. It's come to the point that you are now blatantly contradicting what Jesus explicitly said in no uncertain terms, that he is the I AM. Remember that the door to Christianity is always open to those who believe Jesus.