e v e
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I was not referring to me
or things wrong people do here...
as this is the prison
i refer to adam who causes us to be
on this earth and in this fleshbody
separated from God....
Some videos defending substitutionary atonement
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or things wrong people do here...
as this is the prison
i refer to adam who causes us to be
on this earth and in this fleshbody
separated from God....
Johann
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Dead to Sin, Alive to God
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, in order that grace may multiply ?
Rom 6:2 God forbid [let it not be]. How shall we, that died to sin, live any longer in it ?
Rom 6:3 Are ye ignorant, that so many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we were buried with Him by baptism into death: in order that like as Christ was raised up out from among dead people by the glorious power of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have become planted together [with Him] in the likeness of His death, yea, we shall be in the likeness of His resurrection also:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old [Adam nature] man is crucified with Him, in order that the old nature which is the slave of sin might be annulled, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that died with Christ has been justified, and cleared from the claims of sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we died together with Christ, we believe that we shall live also with Him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ having been raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over Him.
Rom 6:10 For the death He died, He died to sin once for all : but in that He liveth, He liveth to God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise count ye yourselves also to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Jesus Christ ....
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, or obey its desires.
Rom 6:13 Do not present ye your members as weapons of unrighteousness to sin: but present yourselves to God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as weapons of righteousness to God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under ... law, but under grace.
Slaves to Righteousness
Rom 6:15 What then? are we to sin, because we are not under ... law, but under grace? God forbid [let it not be].
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye present yourselves servants for obedience, ye are servants to him whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But thanks to God, that ye were [But that service is passed] the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of teaching unto which ye were delivered .
Rom 6:18 Having, then, been set free from sin, ye were made bond-servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the weakness of your human nature: for as ye have presented your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity to work iniquity; even so now present your members servants to righteousness to work holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free with regard to righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things in respect of which ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death [the second death].
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the rations of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Diserner
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You do know substitutionary atonement does not mean Penal substitutionary atonement
Johann
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When you read Isaiah 53 it is ALL about Penal substitutionary Kippur.
J.
Nothing there about Christ being imputed with sin
Nothing there about Christ suffering God's wrath
Nothing there about Christ being separated from God
Johann
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I strongly disagree-and let's leave it there.
As you wish
e v e
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true true and true. esau wants Christ to suffer, wants to prevent His return, and this accounts for his ugly inventions about torturing Christ ... esau wishes these things were true out of hatred.
Esau?
civic
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correct
civic
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Thanks for the reminder
e v e
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esau as archetype ..
archtype of what?
e v e
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do you not recall God said He hates esau?
Yes and in context it concerned his posterity
Malachi 1:1–4 (NASB 2020) — 1 The pronouncement of the word of the LORD to Israel through Malachi: 2 “I have loved you,” says the LORD. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was Esau not Jacob’s brother?” declares the LORD. “Yet I have loved Jacob; 3 but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and given his inheritance to the jackals of the wilderness.” 4 Though Edom says, “We have been beaten down, but we will return and build up the ruins”; this is what the LORD of armies says: “They may build, but I will tear down; and people will call them the territory of wickedness, and the people with whom the LORD is indignant forever.”
