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Some videos defending substitutionary atonement
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God had to die for our sins, that just basic Gospel.
There's no other way to heaven than Jesus paying the price for your sins.
Please make sure you have put all your faith in the Christ suffering for your sins, and not in your own goodness.
e v e
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We could not be saved if He had not come here to rescue us.
He did not have to come here - He volunteered...
The evil realm tortured and murdered Him...on his way here,
when he came the same way we did,
AND on this earth at the cross...
not IEUE did that...
Diserner
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God has to do something your with sins.
He is holy, you are not.
Christ bore the punishment of those sins for you—that is all PSA means.
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God (1 Pet. 3:18 NKJ)
e v e
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I blame it ALL on Adam and the evil realm he cooperates with, not God.
civic
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Yet Jesus forgave sinners of their sins by saying He forgave them. No death , no blood , no sacrifice
Hmmmmmmmmm
Johann
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A must read-irrefutable-John Owen.
Why God Became Man
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The Death of Death in the Death of Christ is a polemical work, designed to show, among other things, that the doctrine of universal redemption is unscriptural and destructive of the gospel.
There are many, therefore, to whom it is not likely to be of interest. Those who see no need for doctrinal exactness and have no time for theological debates which show up divisions between so-called Evangelicals may well regret its reappearance.
Some may find the very sound of Owen’s thesis so shocking that they will refuse to read his book at all; so passionate a thing is prejudice, and so proud are we of our theological shibboleths.
But it is hoped that this reprint will find itself readers of a different spirit. There are signs today of a new upsurge of interest in the theology of the Bible: a new readiness to test traditions, to search the Scriptures and to think through the faith. It is to those who share this readiness that Owen’s treatise is offered, in the belief that it will help us in one of the most urgent tasks facing Evangelical Christendom today—the recovery of the gospel.
Owen, John — The Death of Death in the Death of Christ (Reformed Theology eBook)
John Owen’s classic defense of particular redemption explaining the extent and efficacy of Christ’s atonement and the certainty of salvation for His people.
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Johann
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They say that if God’s grace extends to all offenders, though his grace is free, and he does what
he wills with his own, then all shall be well – he is gracious, merciful, etc. But if the Scripture is--
10 Helen of Troy whose beauty seduced Paris and led to the Trojan war.
11 Origen taught that even the devils who have been chosen will be saved. In the 16th century Puccius and Huberus
repeated his teachings.
once found to present his sovereignty and free selective grace according to election, then he is
monstrous, mean, evil, and dreadful. Such pride is inbred; it is a part of our corruption to want to
defend it.
If we seek to uphold the glory of God, then let us speak in his own language, or be
forever silent.
What is glorious in him is what he ascribes to himself. Our inventions, as splendid
as they may be in our own eyes, are an abomination to him, an attempt to pull him down from his
eternal excellence, and to make him completely like us.
God would never allow the will of the
creature to be the measure of his honor. The obedience of paradise was a regulated obedience.
God’s prescription has been the basis for accepting any duty ever since he had a creature to
worship him. Even the heathen knew that the only service welcome to God was what he himself
required, and the only glory he would accept was what he himself revealed, so that he would
appear glorious in it.
Hence, Epimenides advised the Athenians in a time of danger to sacrifice
“to him to whom it was acceptable and due.”12 This resulted in the altar which Paul saw bearing
the inscription, “To the unknown God.” Socrates tells us in Plato,13 that every god will be
worshipped “in that way which pleases best his own mind.”
And in Christianity, Jerome 14 sets it
down as a rule that God is dishonored by any honor which is ascribed to him beyond his own
prescription.
It is based wittily on the second commandment. Assigning anything to God that is
not assigned by him is making to ourselves an idol; we are deifying our own imaginations.
Men
should cease squaring the glory of God by their own corrupted principles and more corrupted
persuasions.
The word alone is the arbitrator in the things of God. I hope that the following
treatise will present nothing contrary to those natural notions of God and his goodness that have
been retained in the sad ruins of our innocence. On these grounds, we affirm that any of that
glory of God which a general ransom pretends to assert, however glorious it may seem to our
purblind nature, is indeed a sinful flourish; for it obscures that glory in which God is delighted.
John Owen.
Johann
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Excellent video.
Johann.
civic
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Flawed reasoning with Justice served for the death of an innocent 3rd party. It doesn't matter what secular law says it matters what God says. The death of the innocent is never justified in scripture. Even the Apostles proclaimed the wickedness done to Jesus by evil men with the kangaroo court was unjust. Craig is wrong on every biblical level with his philosophical argument in his 3rd chapter. Colossians 2 warns us against the philosophy of man. Craigs argument is just that going against the Teaching of Jesus and the Apostles on the atonement.
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Let's continue on the Atonement brother.
See if we can bump this thread.
Diserner
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Here is another contribution to this discussion:
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Do you agree with this contribution?
Diserner
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Yes, it's my post.
Johann
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Not really.
Can't blame Adam for YOUR sins you are committing now-yes?
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