Shema Israel and identifying Jesus as Jehovah/Yahweh
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Jesus is Jehovah as well as his pre-incarnate appearances as the messenger
but as the most high over the earth from your NWT
“and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength, which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, FAR ABOVE every government and authority and power and lordship and EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED, not only in this system of things but also in that to come. He also subjected all things under his feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills up all things in all.” Ephesians 1:19-23
“For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other* name, so that in the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground—and EVERY TONGUE should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” Philippians 2:9-11
* The word “other” is not in the Greek text but has been inserted by the translators.
From Sam Shamoun's: AnsweringIslam blog
Rev 17:14 These will battle with the Lamb, but, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those called and chosen and faithful with him [will do so]."
The word other does not appear in scripture. Your translation adds it to the Greek text
Though here your translation forgot to add it
Joh 1:3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence
Rather the glory of
being the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, sustaining all things by the word of power.
W. Hall Harris III et al., eds., The Lexham English Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012), Heb 1:3.
Johann
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And upholding all things by the word of his power; the Syriac version renders it, "by the power of his word", to the same sense, only inverting the words. The Targumist on 2Ch_2:6 uses a phrase very much like this, of God, whom the heaven of heavens cannot contain; because, adds he, סביל כלא בדרע גבורתיה, "he bears", or "sustains all things by the arm of his power"; and the words are to be understood not of the Father, upholding all things by his essential and powerful Word, his Son; but of the Son himself, who upholds all creatures he has made; bears up the pillars of the universe; preserves every creature in its being, and supports it, and supplies it with the necessaries of life; rules and governs all, and providentially orders and disposes of all things in the world, and that by his all powerful will; which makes it manifest, that he is truly and properly God, and a very fit person to be a priest, as follows:
when he had by himself purged our sins; the Arabic and Ethiopic versions seem to refer this to God the Father, as if he, by Christ, made the expiation of sin, and then caused him to sit down at his right hand; but it belongs to the Son himself, who of himself, and by himself alone, and by the sacrifice of himself, made atonement for the sins of his people; which is meant by the purgation of them: he took their sins upon himself, and bore them, and removed them far away, and utterly abolished them, which the priests under the law could not do: and when he had so done-
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101G
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personal opinion? ok, let's relook, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." God came and SAVED US correct. and the ONE and only TRUE God who came and saved us is JESUS. now if the one who came and save us please post to scripture to this fact.
101G.
The one whom the only true God sent, named Jesus as a mortal.
Elohim translates-the supreme one from Hebrew to our language for the only true God= nothing plural about it for the only true God.
THROUGH= another did it.
The only true God-sent Jesus( John 17:3--Why do you outright refuse to believe Jesus?
101G
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K, you still didn't get it do you. John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." LIFE ETERNAL correct. listen, 1 Timothy 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:" 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."
the Lord Jesus is the ONLY one who have ETERNAL LIFE, for Immortality means Eternal Life. and the scripture state he's, (the Lord Jesus), is the ONLY ONE who has eternal LIFE, meaning he is GOD ALMIGHTY in flesh. yes, he is God that sent his his OWN ARM.... (READ Isaiah 63:5)...... so you're rebutted.
remember, don't argue with 101G, argue with the scripture. and the scriptures clearly states JESUS the ONLY one that has ETERNAL LIFE, for "ONLY" means, and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively.
so that reproves you thinking on John 17:3......... you might want to reload.
101G.
101G
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101G suggest you pick up a dictionary and READ.... understand, God is a plurality of HIMSELF.
GOD: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
the [plural of H433] of, of, of, of, H433. so who is H433
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410
he, GOD, Jesus, is a diversity of himself.
101G.
101G
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DavidTree
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Denial keeps you under the sway of deception.
DavidTree
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Eternal Life is in the only true God AND Jesus Christ = EQUALITY
IMPOSSIBLE to separate the FATHER from WORD/JESUS from the HOLY SPIRIT = "Let Us make man in Our image, Our likeness" = 3
Christ was the agent who created
God employed the pre-incarnate Christ to create all things
John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.
John 1:10 (LEB) — 10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through him, and the world did not recognize him.
Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,
Hebrews 1:2 (LEB) — 2 in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the world,
Hebrews 1:8–11 (LEB) — 8 but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this God, your God, has anointed you with the olive oil of joy more than your companions. 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of your hands; 11 they will perish, but you continue, and they will all become old like a garment,
God has eternal life. Its you who need to reload.
You best relook.
Jesus sat at Jehovah's right hand-Psalm 110:1-Matt 22:44--thus cannot be Jehovah.
