Its your denial. I posted fact.
Shema Israel and identifying Jesus as Jehovah/Yahweh
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Then why not the holy spirit as well? Blowing theory to oblivion.
Gen 1:27 is clear-he made man in his image--not our image as you twist verse 26 to say.
You will find out the hard way then. None who perish in Gods day of anger will be resurrected. You are making your stand now in opposition.
101G
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(smile), JESUS is the ONLY "GOD"... Father is his title in the ECHAD without Flesh and bone. and Son is his title in flesh and bone with blood.
and it's the ALMIGHTY "JESUS" who is the ... "ONLY".... the only ONE who have ETERNAL LIFE, again, don't argue with 101G argue with, 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."
101G
101G
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101G
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are U kidding. God fills heaven and earth, so where is God's physically ... his right. Oh my God. right hand is not physical, it's a metaphor for "having power". oh boy oh boy. please look up what "the right hand" of God means. unbelievable, just unbelievable.
101G
DavidTree
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IMPOSSIBLE to separate the FATHER from WORD/JESUS from the HOLY SPIRIT = "Let Us make man in Our image, Our likeness" = 3
Once again you do not respond to the scriptures
Christ is the eternal life
1 John 1:1–2 (LEB) — 1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and our hands have touched, concerning the word of life—2 and the life was revealed, and we have seen and testify and announce to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was revealed to us—
civic
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Yes He pre-existed the Incarnation and was with the Father before creation sharing the same Glory together as Father/Son- John 17:5
Yep contrary to the unitarian position and proof he is God contrary to the view of the Jehovah Witnesses
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You need to relook
Isaiah 44:6--I( not we) Am Jehovah besides ME( not we) there is no other God
Isaiah 42:8==I am Jehovah that is my name.
Yes Gen 1:26, But verse 27 is clear 1 single being created=HE( not we) Prov 8:27-28-HE ( not we) created
Us=Jehovah( HE) and his master worker( Jesus)
Who did Isaiah see
Isaiah 6:1–10 (LEB) — 1 In the year of the death of Uzziah the king, I saw the Lord sitting on a high and raised throne, and the hem of his robe was filling the temple. 2 Seraphs were standing above him. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And the one called to the other and said, “Holy, holy, holy is Yahweh of hosts! The whole earth is full of his glory.” 4 And the pivots of the thresholds shook from the sound of those who called, and the house was filled with smoke. 5 And I said, “Woe to me! For I am destroyed! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I am living among a people of unclean lips, for my eyes have seen the king, Yahweh of hosts!” 6 Then one of the seraphs flew to me, and in his hand was a hot coal he had taken from the altar with tongs. 7 And he touched my mouth, and he said, “Look! This has touched your lips and has removed your guilt, and your sin is annulled.” 8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?” And I said, “I am here! Send me!” 9 And he said, “Go and say to this people, ‘Keep on listening and do not comprehend! And keep on looking and do not understand!’ 10 Make the heart of this people insensitive, and make its ears unresponsive, and shut its eyes so that it may not look with its eyes and listen with its ears and comprehend with its mind and turn back, and it may be healed for him.”
Yahweh right?
John notes He saw Jesus
John 12:34–43 (LEB) — 34 Then the crowd replied to him, “We have heard from the law that the Christ remains forever! And how do you say that the Son of Man must be lifted up? Who is this Son of Man?” 35 So Jesus said to them, “Yet a little time the light is with you! Walk while you have the light, so that the darkness does not overtake you! And the one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going. 36 While you have the light, believe in the light, in order that you may become sons of light.” Jesus said these things, and then he went away and was hidden from them. 37 But as many signs as he had performed before them, they did not believe in him, 38 in order that the word of the prophet Isaiah would be fulfilled, who said, “Lord, who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” 39 For this reason they were not able to believe, because again Isaiah said, 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they see with their eyes and understand with their hearts and turn, and I heal them.” 41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him. 42 Yet despite that, even many of the rulers believed in him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess it, so that they would not be expelled from the synagogue. 43 For they loved the praise of men more than praise from God.
And Luke has the Holy Spirit speaking the words of Jehovah
Acts 28:25–27 (LEB) — 25 So being in disagreement with one another, they began to leave after Paul made one statement: “The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through the prophet Isaiah to your fathers, 26 saying, ‘Go to this people and say, “You will keep on hearing and will never understand, and you will keep on seeing and will never perceive. 27 For the heart of this people has become dull, and with their ears they hear with difficulty, and they have shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.” ’
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
what you're missing is this. LISTEN and LEARN. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." the FIRST is a person, for he said "I" ... and this "I" a single person is WITH the Last a single person. so, are these two singles, separate and distinct persons? let the bible answer that. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." .... hello, "I ALSO" is the Last. ... (smile), yes, that I who is the First is also the same I who is the Last. look how clear the bible is. the same one person who is First and Last, just as Revelation clearly states.
remember, don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures.
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DavidTree
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Genesis 1:26 = Let us count = Us + Our + Our = 3
Genesis 1:27 = Let us count = His + He + He = 3
SEE how Elohim(Plural) speaks in Genesis
SEE how Elohim Speaks as Echad = Deuteronomy 6:4
"Hear O Israel, the Lord our Elohim(PLURAL) the Lord is Echad(plural acting as ONE)
Johann
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שְׁמַ֖ע H8085 hear יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל H3478 Israel יְהוָ֥ה H3068 YHWH אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ H430 god(s) יְהוָ֥ה ׀ H3068 YHWH אֶחָֽד׃ H259 one
שׁמע ישׂראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד
---but then they no ways contradict the doctrine of a trinity of persons in the unity of the divine essence, the Father, Word, and Holy Spirit, which three are one; the one God, the one Jehovah, as here expressed; see 1Jn_5:7 and so the ancient Jews understood this passage. In an ancient book of theirs it is said (o) Jehovah, Elohenu, Jehovah (i.e. Jehovah, our God, Jehovah); these are the three degrees with respect to this sublime mystery; "in the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth"; and again (p), Jehovah, Elohenu, Jehovah, they are one; the three forms (modes or things) which are one; and elsewhere (q) it is observed, there are two, and one is joined to them, and they are three; and when the three are one, he says to (or of) them, these are the two names which Israel heard, Jehovah, Jehovah, and Elohenu (our God) is joined unto them; and it is the seal of the ring of truth, and when they are joined they are one in one unity; which is illustrated by the three names the soul of man is called by, the soul, spirit, and breath; and elsewhere they say (r) the holy blessed God, and his Shechinah, are called one; see Joh_10:30.
Mist. Beracot, c. 1. sect. 1, 2. (o) Zohar in Gen. fol. 1, 3. (p) Ib. in Exod. fol. 18. 3, 4. (q) Ib. in Numb. fol. 67. 3. (r) Tikkune Zohar, Correct. 47. fol. 86. 2.J.
DavidTree
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Love the DETAIL you shared here - Thank Youשְׁמַ֖ע H8085 hear יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל H3478 Israel יְהוָ֥ה H3068 YHWH אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ H430 god(s) יְהוָ֥ה ׀ H3068 YHWH אֶחָֽד׃ H259 one
שׁמע ישׂראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד
---but then they no ways contradict the doctrine of a trinity of persons in the unity of the divine essence, the Father, Word, and Holy Spirit, which three are one; the one God, the one Jehovah, as here expressed; see 1Jn_5:7 and so the ancient Jews understood this passage. In an ancient book of theirs it is said (o) Jehovah, Elohenu, Jehovah (i.e. Jehovah, our God, Jehovah); these are the three degrees with respect to this sublime mystery; "in the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth"; and again (p), Jehovah, Elohenu, Jehovah, they are one; the three forms (modes or things) which are one; and elsewhere (q) it is observed, there are two, and one is joined to them, and they are three; and when the three are one, he says to (or of) them, these are the two names which Israel heard, Jehovah, Jehovah, and Elohenu (our God) is joined unto them; and it is the seal of the ring of truth, and when they are joined they are one in one unity; which is illustrated by the three names the soul of man is called by, the soul, spirit, and breath; and elsewhere they say (r) the holy blessed God, and his Shechinah, are called one; see Joh_10:30.
J.
I would like to add to your assessment here above on this which you stated:
"which is illustrated by the three names the soul of man is called by, the soul, spirit, and breath"
Thus the irrefutable unchangeable undeniable Name of Elohim given to Moses when the LORD spoke from the Fire.
Exodus 3:15
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” 15Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The YHWH Elohe(Plural) of your fathers,
Elohe of Abraham, (Father/Spirit)
Elohe of Isaac, (Son/Soul)
Elohe of Jacob, (Holy Spirit/Breath)
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’
Question: Did the Lord Jesus declare this Name to us???
Johann
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Yes-
Biblical Evidence of Jesus Declaring God’s Name
John 17:6: "I have manifested Your name to the people whom You gave Me out of the world."
In His high priestly prayer, Jesus declares that He has revealed God's name to His disciples. This refers not only to God's literal name but also to His nature, will, and character.
The concept of "name" in Hebrew thought often signifies the fullness of one's identity and reputation rather than just a verbal identifier.
John 17:26: "I made known to them Your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which You have loved Me may be in them, and I in them."
Jesus emphasizes His role in making God's name known, which involves revealing God's love, holiness, and purposes through His teaching and actions.
Matthew 6:9: "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name."
In the Lord's Prayer, Jesus teaches His disciples to revere and sanctify God's name, indicating its centrality in worship and devotion.
John 8:58: "Before Abraham was, I am."
Jesus uses the phrase "I am" (ἐγώ εἰμί), which many scholars and theologians see as an allusion to God's self-revelation as "I AM WHO I AM" (Exodus 3:14). This declaration identifies Jesus with the divine name and character of YHWH.
2. What Does Declaring the Name Mean?
In biblical context, to "declare" God's name is more than vocalizing it-it involves:
Revealing God's nature and attributes, such as His love, justice, mercy, and faithfulness.
Demonstrating God's purposes and plan for humanity through actions and teachings.
Establishing a relational knowledge of God, as Jesus invites people into a deeper connection with the Father.
Jesus fulfills this by:
Teaching about God's kingdom and character (e.g., parables and sermons).
Reflecting God's glory and nature through His own life (John 14:9: "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father").
Providing access to the Father through Himself (John 14:6: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.").
3. Relation to the Divine Name YHWH
The Tetragrammaton (YHWH) was traditionally not spoken aloud by Jewish people due to reverence, and they would substitute it with titles like Adonai (Lord) or HaShem (The Name).
Jesus did not explicitly pronounce "YHWH" in the Gospels, but He embodied and revealed the full meaning of the name through His works and identity as the Son of God.
In New Testament writings, the term Kyrios (Lord) is often used to refer to Jesus, showing continuity with the Old Testament's use of "Lord" for YHWH.
4. Theological Implications
By declaring God’s name, Jesus bridges the gap between humanity and God, enabling a fuller understanding of God’s character and inviting believers into a direct relationship with the Father.
Jesus Himself is referred to as the Word of God (John 1:1-3), which means He is the ultimate revelation of God’s nature, including His name.
Conclusion
Jesus did declare and reveal God's name, not necessarily by vocalizing the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) but by revealing God’s character, mission, and relationship with humanity. Through His teachings, life, and sacrificial death, Jesus embodied the fullness of God's name and invited all to know and revere the Father.
J.
Um The Angel of the LORD is called God and Jehovah
The Angel of the Lord appeared to Abraham
Genesis 22:11–19 (KJV 1900) — 11 And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. 13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen. 15 And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, 16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: 17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. 19 So Abraham returned unto his young men, and they rose up and went together to Beer-sheba; and Abraham dwelt at Beer-sheba.
The Angel of the Lord appeared to Moses
Exodus 3:2–15 (KJV 1900) — 2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. 7 And the Lord said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; 8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 9 Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto me: and I have also seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them. 10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt. 11 And Moses said unto God, Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt? 12 And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain. 13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
The Angel of the Lord appeared to Hagar
Genesis 16:7–13 (KJV 1900) — 7 And the angel of the Lord found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. 8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai’s maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai. 9 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. 10 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. 11 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction. 12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. 13 And she called the name of the Lord that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
The Angel of the Lord appeared to Manoah
Judges 13:13–22 (KJV 1900) — 13 And the angel of the Lord said unto Manoah, Of all that I said unto the woman let her beware. 14 She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: all that I commanded her let her observe. 15 And Manoah said unto the angel of the Lord, I pray thee, let us detain thee, until we shall have made ready a kid for thee. 16 And the angel of the Lord said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the Lord. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the Lord. 17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the Lord, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour? 18 And the angel of the Lord said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret? 19 So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the Lord: and the angel did wondrously; and Manoah and his wife looked on. 20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground. 21 But the angel of the Lord did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the Lord. 22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
The Angel of the Lord appeared to Jacob
In a dream the Angel of the Lord said to me: Jacob! and I said, ‘Here am I.’
12 He said: Look and observe how all the he-goats that leap upon the flock are striped, speckled and mottled; for I have seen everything Laban is doing to you.
13 I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a memorial pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now, get ready, move out of this country and go back to your native land.” [1]
Genesis 28:18–22 (KJV 1900) — 18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. 19 And he called the name of that place Beth-el: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.
