Sealed by the baptism en the Holy Ghost

[TomL]

Missed the point completely. Do you seriously believe there's no difference between "IN" (John 20:22) and "ON" (Acts 2:4)

In the Old testament, any number of people had the Holy Spirit ON them, but NOBODY had Him IN them. that's a NEW testament thing exclusively,

Please do not ignore my argument

Why do you limit it to being endued with power

The Gentiles had been baptized en the Spirit

The gentiles had received the Spirit

The Spirit is received in the indwelling

John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” - indwelling


39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.) - reception of the Spirit

P.S. I do not see an "on" in Acts 2:4

Acts 2:4 (UASV) — 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.

It states they were filled

 

[Fred]

In the Old testament, any number of people had the Holy Spirit ON them, but NOBODY had Him IN them. that's a NEW testament thing exclusively,

Ezekiel 3:24
The Spirit then entered me and made me stand on my feet, and He spoke with me and said to me, Go, shut yourself up in your house.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

It states they were filled

"Filled" simply means "Fully motivated by". I Haven't noticed any "Arguments" only unrelated statements.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Ezekiel 3:24
The Spirit then entered me and made me stand on my feet, and He spoke with me and said to me, Go, shut yourself up in your house.

Nope the Holy SPirit came UPON HIM, and imparted directions TO him. NOBODY was indwelled by the SPirit until after calvary. Jesus sais so at John 14:17. Cleansing from SIN was the first thing, and THEN the indwelling SPirit.

 

[Fred]

Nope the Holy SPirit came UPON HIM,

The Bible says, "entered."

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The Bible says, "entered."

Poor Jesus!!!! Imagine Him being wrong about something so significant (chuckle).

 

[Fred]

Poor Jesus!!!! Imagine Him being wrong about something so significant (chuckle).

Poor you!!!!!

You are definitely wrong.

He never is.

Figure it out.

 

[TomL]

"Filled" simply means "Fully motivated by". I Haven't noticed any "Arguments" only unrelated statements.

You ignored once again



Why do you limit it to being endued with power

The Gentiles had been baptized en the Spirit

The gentiles had received the Spirit

The Spirit is received in the indwelling

John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” - indwelling


39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.) - reception of the Spirit

then you ignored the point referencing your claim of on in acts 2:4

Do you deny this was a salvation experience for the gentiles?

P.S. I do not see an "on" in Acts 2:4

Acts 2:4 (UASV) — 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.

It states they were filled

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Acts 2:4 (UASV) — 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.

It states they were filled

Jesus called it "Being clothed with" Luke 24:49 the disciples were INDWELLED by the holy spirit at John 20:22.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Figure it out.

I have, decades ago.

 

[Fred]

I have, decades ago.

The evidence proves otherwise.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The evidence proves otherwise.

CHuckle!!!

 

[TomL]

Jesus called it "Being clothed with" Luke 24:49 the disciples were INDWELLED by the holy spirit at John 20:22.

UM Yet Jesus told them

Acts 1:4–5 (LEB) — 4 And while he was with them, he commanded them, “Do not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for what was promised by the Father, which you heard about from me. 5 For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

The father had promised

Ezekiel 36:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And I will give a new heart to you, and a new spirit I will give into your inner parts, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh, and I will give to you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will give my spirit into your inner parts, and I will make it so that you will go in my rules, and my regulations you will remember, and you will do them.

And they had to wait for what the Father would give.

What happened at John 20:22 was a temporary infilling until they received the promise of the Father, which included the permanent indwelling.

 

[Doug Brents]

What happened at John 20:22 was a temporary infilling until they received the promise of the Father, which included the permanent indwelling.

Show that in Scripture. Where does Scripture say that this was temporary?

 

[TomL]

Show that in Scripture. Where does Scripture say that this was temporary?

I already did

you ignored

Acts 1:4–5 (LEB) — 4 And while he was with them, he commanded them, “Do not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for what was promised by the Father, which you heard about from me. 5 For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

this was the promise of the father

Ezekiel 36:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And I will give a new heart to you, and a new spirit I will give into your inner parts, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh, and I will give to you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will give my spirit into your inner parts, and I will make it so that you will go in my rules, and my regulations you will remember, and you will do them.

They were to wait for the Spirit the father gives so they had not yet had it.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

UM Yet Jesus told them

Acts 1:4–5 (LEB) — 4 And while he was with them, he commanded them, “Do not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for what was promised by the Father, which you heard about from me. 5 For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

The father had promised

Ezekiel 36:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And I will give a new heart to you, and a new spirit I will give into your inner parts, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh, and I will give to you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will give my spirit into your inner parts, and I will make it so that you will go in my rules, and my regulations you will remember, and you will do them.

And they had to wait for what the Father would give.

What happened at John 20:22 was a temporary infilling until they received the promise of the Father, which included the permanent indwelling.

There's a fundamental difference between the Holy Spirit INDWELLING (which occurs at conversion - Being Born Again), and the Holy SPirit ENABLING as in the case of the "Gifts", partially cataloged at 1 Cor 12:7-11.

 

[TomL]

There's a fundamental difference between the Holy Spirit INDWELLING (which occurs at conversion - Being Born Again), and the Holy SPirit ENABLING as in the case of the "Gifts", partially cataloged at 1 Cor 12:7-11.

Um this included the promise of the Father

Acts 1:4–5 (LEB) — 4 And while he was with them, he commanded them, “Do not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for what was promised by the Father, which you heard about from me. 5 For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

The father had promised

Ezekiel 36:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And I will give a new heart to you, and a new spirit I will give into your inner parts, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh, and I will give to you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will give my spirit into your inner parts, and I will make it so that you will go in my rules, and my regulations you will remember, and you will do them.

And they had to wait for what the Father would give.

What happened at John 20:22 was a temporary infilling until they received the promise of the Father, which included the permanent indwelling.

Without that promise there is no salvation. The Spirit is promised to those that believe

John 7:38 (NASB95) — 38 “He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ”

and the baptism en the Spirit puts one in the body and is thus saving

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

That is a conversion event

 

[Quintus5]

task specific?
I used chat GPT for quick verse find

1. **Joseph**: Pharaoh recognized the Spirit in Joseph:
> "Can we find anyone like this man, one in whom is the spirit of God?"
(Genesis 41:38)

2. **Bezalel**: Endowed with the Spirit for craftsmanship:
> "I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom, with understanding, with knowledge and with all kinds of skills."
(Exodus 31:3) ([Did the earliest Christians think the Holy Spirit was a distinct person?]

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/1bm0g9v/did_the_earliest_christians_think_the_holy_spirit

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3. **Joshua**: Described as having the Spirit within him:
> "Take Joshua son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit..."
(Numbers 27:18)

4. **David**: The Spirit came upon him powerfully:
> "The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon David."
(1 Samuel 16:13

5. **Prophets**: Moved by the Spirit to speak God's word:
> "The Spirit of the Lord spoke through me; his word was on my tongue."
(2 Samuel 23:2)




> "He lives with you now and later will be in you."
(John 14:17)

 

[dwight92070]

I think "en" can be translated "in, with, or by", so to insist that it must be "in", IMO, actually makes the verse confusing. I think "by" is better, making it the Holy Spirit who is the One who baptizes us INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST. Also the last phrase of the verse, "and we were all made to drink of one Spirit" tells us that when we entered the body of Christ, we also received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[TomL]

I think "en" can be translated "in, with, or by", so to insist that it must be "in", IMO, actually makes the verse confusing. I think "by" is better, making it the Holy Spirit who is the One who baptizes us INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST. Also the last phrase of the verse, "and we were all made to drink of one Spirit" tells us that when we entered the body of Christ, we also received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Yes en (Greek) can be translated "in, with, or by"

It is the reason I speak of the baptism en the Holy Spirit

And it is true when Baptized en the Spirit into the body of Christ we are indwelt