Scripture teaches that Jesus was not involved in his resurrection

[dwight92070]

Which doesn't negate the truth of what it is conveying.

Exactly, even if it is a prophecy, Jesus is prophesying that He will raise up His own body from the dead, which He did. Yes, God also raised Jesus up. "I and the Father are One." And yes, of course it is a doctrine.

But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to our mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. God will also raise up through HIs Spirit. So just like Jesus' conception and His baptism, each of the persons of the trinity was involved in His resurrection.

 

[dwight92070]

Just as all cultists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormon's, Christian Science, Runningham doesn't choose to believe all of the Scripture, or he relies on the twisted interpretation of the NWT.

 

[Runningman]

Just as all cultists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormon's, Christian Science, Runningham doesn't choose to believe all of the Scripture, or he relies on the twisted interpretation of the NWT.

I've never read the NWT.

In any case, back to the OP. I see no one has been able to prove Jesus resurrected himself from the dead yet.

I want to hear from every Trinitarian on this forum. Please show us one verse where anyone said Jesus resurrected himself after he died. Please and thank you!

 

[Fred]

I've never read the NWT.

Yes, you have.

Post in thread 'Do you know the real Jesus?'

Oct 22, 2024

Sorry i gave you the text.

Do you have anything which actually denies the text

(NWT)Joh 1:3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even oone thing came into existence. What has come into existence

your own scripture refutes you

While I am not a JW, I will look at this verse in the NWT. It's quite similar to other versions like the NIV or KJV. It debunks the Word being the Creator. It says the Word with God in verse 2 then in verse 3 the pronoun "him" refers to the closest noun. That would mean the Word is not the one being referred to as the one all...

• Runningman

 

[Runningman]

Yes, you have.

Post in thread 'Do you know the real Jesus?'

Oct 22, 2024

Sorry i gave you the text.

Do you have anything which actually denies the text

(NWT)Joh 1:3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even oone thing came into existence. What has come into existence

your own scripture refutes you

While I am not a JW, I will look at this verse in the NWT. It's quite similar to other versions like the NIV or KJV. It debunks the Word being the Creator. It says the Word with God in verse 2 then in verse 3 the pronoun "him" refers to the closest noun. That would mean the Word is not the one being referred to as the one all...

• Runningman

Then you bear false witness. I have never read the whole thing. Reading a verse that someone has put in front of my face is not the same thing as reading the NWT.

 

[Fred]

Then you bear false witness. I have never read the whole thing.

You changed the goalposts in your second sentence.

 

[Runningman]

You changed the goalposts in your second sentence.

How petty. Tom showed me a verse from his NWT and of course I read that, but I have never used the NWT as a resource. I have never read it either actively nor casually. Normally I read the KJV, NIV, ESV, BSB, or something similar. Some of those Bible actually have a heavy Trinitarian lean to them (you can gauage a Bible by whether or not they strip Jesus of his begotten son status and turn him into an idol in John 1:18)

 

[Fred]

How petty. Tom showed me a verse from his NWT and of course I read that, but I have never used the NWT as a resource. I have never read it either actively nor casually. Normally I read the KJV, NIV, ESV, BSB, or something similar. Some of those Bible actually have a heavy Trinitarian lean to them (you can gauage a Bible by whether or not they strip Jesus of his begotten son status and turn him into an idol in John 1:18)

You are getting more specific by the post.

How unimpressive.

 

[Runningman]

You are getting more specific by the post.

How unimpressive.

I've never read the NWT. Who cares anyway. Next.

 

[101G]

No one in the Bbile said Jesus resurrected himself. Means he isn't God and the Trinity is false.

What Jesus said about his resurrection in John 2:19-21, he was simply being prophetic of what would happen to him. This is why John 2:22 is written in the passive voice, "When therefore he was raised from the dead..." to clarify that the subject "Jesus" did not perform the action of resurrection.

After Jesus died, no one said anything about Jesus being invovled in his resurrection. He was powerless to resurrect hismelf because he isn't God. Jesus begged and prayed to God to be saved from eternal death and God did it for him according to Acts 2:24, Hebrews 5:7, etc.

Jesus died, God did not die, God raised Jesus from the dead.

Acts 2:24​

"But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him."​

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Acts 2:32​

"God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it."​

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Acts 3:15​

"You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this."​

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Acts 4:10​

"Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead..."​

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Acts 2:24​

"But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him."​

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Acts 2:32​

"God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it."​

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Acts 3:15​

"You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this."​

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Acts 4:10​

"Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead..."​

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Acts 5:30​

"The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—whom you killed by hanging him on a cross."​

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Acts 10:40​

"But God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen."​

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Acts 13:30​

"But God raised him from the dead..."​

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Romans 4:24-25​

"...but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification."​

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Romans 6:4​

"...just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life."​

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Romans 8:11​

"And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you..."​

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Galatians 1:1​

"Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead..."​

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Ephesians 1:20​

"...he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms..."​

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Colossians 2:12​

"...you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead."​

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1 Thessalonians 1:10​

"...to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath."​

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1 Peter 1:21​

"Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him..."​

Addressing the OP Only.
question Run, is Jesus the SAVIOUR?, yes. now this, the apostle Paul, 1 Timothy 2:3 "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;" again, in his letter to Titus, Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things." Jude 1:25 "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."

Jesus is God Almighty and in now resurrected flesh.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

Addressing the OP Only.
question Run, is Jesus the SAVIOUR?, yes. now this, the apostle Paul, 1 Timothy 2:3 "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;" again, in his letter to Titus, Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things." Jude 1:25 "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."

Jesus is God Almighty and in now resurrected flesh.

101G.

God is Jesus' savior. Yes or no.

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

 

[101G]

God is Jesus' savior. Yes or no.

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

that's your BIG ERROR, ...... Listen and Learn, During the days of Jesus’ earthly life... get it EARTHLY LIFE. Now before he took on an EARTHLY LIFE ... is he God? yes, scripture, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

if Jesus made himself LOWER than the angels, then COMMON SENSE dictitates ... again COMMON SENSE dictitates he had to be HIGHER that the angels that he was made lower than. for there are only three entities. 1. God 2. angels and 3. man.

can you figure that out? so, his days in his earthly LIFE, meaning in a body of flesh with blood. that LIFE, ... "BLOOD" he, God, gave while here on earth..... so you want to try again? (smile).

101G

 

[Runningman]

that's your BIG ERROR, ...... Listen and Learn, During the days of Jesus’ earthly life... get it EARTHLY LIFE. Now before he took on an EARTHLY LIFE ... is he God? yes, scripture, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

if Jesus made himself LOWER than the angels, then COMMON SENSE dictitates ... again COMMON SENSE dictitates he had to be HIGHER that the angels that he was made lower than. for there are only three entities. 1. God 2. angels and 3. man.

can you figure that out? so, his days in his earthly LIFE, meaning in a body of flesh with blood. that LIFE, ... "BLOOD" he, God, gave while here on earth..... so you want to try again? (smile).

101G

Sorry I will address your points later perhaps, but you really need to understand something first.

Hebrews 5:7 says God heard Jesus "because" of his reverence. That word "because" there makes Jesus being heard by God conditional. Means if Jesus had a different disposition perhaps he wouldn't have been heard. While it's true that God didn't save Jesus from death on a cross, God did save Jesus from permanent death in the grave. All in accordance with Jesus didn't resurrect himself.

It would be nonsense for God to hear God on a conditional basis and needing to save God from death. However, it makes perfect sense since Jesus is a man with a savior. God is Jesus' savior because Jesus is not God and he didn't resurrect himself.

 

[101G]

Sorry I will address your points later perhaps, but you really need to understand something first.

Hebrews 5:7 says God heard Jesus "because" of his reverence. That word "because" there makes Jesus being heard by God conditional. Means if Jesus had a different disposition perhaps he wouldn't have been heard. While it's true that God didn't save Jesus from death on a cross, God did save Jesus from permanent death in the grave. All in accordance with Jesus didn't resurrect himself.

It would be nonsense for God to hear God on a conditional basis and needing to save God from death. However, it makes perfect sense since Jesus is a man with a savior. God is Jesus' savior because Jesus is not God and he didn't resurrect himself.

LOL, Oh my how Ignorant can one be. your book hebrews, Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Run, how many God is it? .... again use common sense.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

LOL, Oh my how Ignorant can one be. your book hebrews, Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Run, how many God is it? .... again use common sense.

101G.

Hebrews 1:8,9 proves that Jesus isn't God. It says he has a God who anointed him above his fellows "because" he loved righteousness and hated wickedness. God doesn't have those who He can be anointed "above" because He is already the Most High. Psalm 45 is about a human king who is a god in the "elohim" sense of being a judge or magistrate, but not as God.

Now put your eyes back on Hebrews 5:7. Jesus has a savior, yes or no?

 

[101G]

Hebrews 1:8,9 proves that Jesus isn't God. It says he has a God who anointed him above his fellows "because" he loved righteousness and hated wickedness. God doesn't have those who He can be anointed "above" because He is already the Most High. Psalm 45 is about a human king who is a god in the "elohim" sense of being a judge or magistrate, but not as God.

Now put your eyes back on Hebrews 5:7. Jesus has a savior, yes or no?

Listen carefully. Jesus has no saviour, .... Jesus THE CHRIST HAVE A SAVIOUR, HIMSELF... LOL. NOW.... ok, let's hear the king ... David, Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne."
Run, please tell us who is the "I" that will set upon the throne..... and this was fulfilled, Luke 1:32 "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:"

now Run, put your thinking cap on .... Who is the "I" that will set on David throne? your answer please..... cain't wait to hear this answer.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

Listen carefully. Jesus has no saviour, .... Jesus THE CHRIST HAVE A SAVIOUR, HIMSELF... LOL. NOW.... ok, let's hear the king ... David, Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne."
Run, please tell us who is the "I" that will set upon the throne..... and this was fulfilled, Luke 1:32 "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:"

now Run, put your thinking cap on .... Who is the "I" that will set on David throne? your answer please..... cain't wait to hear this answer.

101G.

I got you on the run and denying scripture by simply quoting a single verse about Jesus having a savior. If you cannot have the personal and intellectual honesty/intregrity to accept what Hebrews 5:7 it's going to be difficult for you to understand who Jesus is.

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

 

[101G]

I got you on the run and denying scripture by simply quoting a single verse about Jesus having a savior. If you cannot have the personal and intellectual honesty/intregrity to accept what Hebrews 5:7 it's going to be difficult for you to understand who Jesus is.

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

HOW CAN A DEAD MAN RUN? did 101G not answer your question? how come you CANNOT ANSWER 101G'S QUESTIONS?

ONE AGAIN, JESUS IS HIS own SAVIOUR, when he was on earth in a body as the Christ. do you understand that?

now, for the LAST TIME, Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne." ............... who is it here in this verse that sits on David throne?.

now if you cannot answer, as Jude said "twice dead"..... (smile) ..... your answer please.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

HOW CAN A DEAD MAN RUN? did 101G not answer your question? how come you CANNOT ANSWER 101G'S QUESTIONS?

ONE AGAIN, JESUS IS HIS own SAVIOUR, when he was on earth in a body as the Christ. do you understand that?

now, for the LAST TIME, Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne." ............... who is it here in this verse that sits on David throne?.

now if you cannot answer, as Jude said "twice dead"..... (smile) ..... your answer please.

101G.

Jesus is not his own savior. I told you a few comments ago by now that Jesus has a savior and showed you the Scripture that explicitly states it. Jesus died and required God to save him, and resurrect him. After that, God exalted Jesus. Nothing in the Bible says Jesus prayed to himself, worshipped himself, resurrected himself, saved himself, is the Lord at his own right hand, etc. You aren't getting it. Yes I read your comment, but your premise doesn't make any sense because Jesus isn't God. You need to be shown the truth, probably for a few years, until the walls of deceit are broke down. My door is open if you ever want to know who the real Jesus is.

 

[101G]

Jesus is not his own savior. I told you a few comments ago by now that Jesus has a savior and showed you the Scripture that explicitly states it. Jesus died and required God to save him, and resurrect him. After that, God exalted Jesus. Nothing in the Bible says Jesus prayed to himself, worshipped himself, resurrected himself, saved himself, is the Lord at his own right hand, etc. You aren't getting it. Yes I read your comment, but your premise doesn't make any sense because Jesus isn't God. You need to be shown the truth, probably for a few years, until the walls of decit are broke down. My door is open if you ever want to know who the real Jesus is.

Run .... How IGNORANT can you be. 101G will make it plain for you. Listen and Learn. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." while the Lord Jesus in flesh, (Son/spirit), on earth, while speaking to a Pharisees, named Nicodemus, at the very same time he Jesus was in Heaven, (Father/Spirit)READ JOHN 3:13 AGAIN SO YOUR COMMON SENSE CAN KICK IN.

now since you could not tell us who the "I" was that sits on David throne. then you concede your argument. just as 101G thought

101G.