brightfame52
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Comment way off course
Salvation is according to the will of God
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brightfame52
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I dont have to point out sozo, he was made a preacher of the gospel, being made a believer is part of that
brightfame52
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okay, np
Actually it is in the context you ignore
Jude 3–16 (NIV) — 3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. 5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. 8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them. 11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion. 12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. 14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
brightfame52
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TibiasDad
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But there is no soteriological argument being made. You are simply assuming your argument and applying it to the background.
Doug
brightfame52
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Its nothing but salvation ,He was sovereignly made a preacher, witness which necessitates being made a believer. Isa 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
MTMattie
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TibiasDad
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<sigh>
1) But not all of Israel believed, did they?
2) This is a corporate statement about the nation of Israel as a whole.
Doug
brightfame52
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Who said anything about all israel believing ? God didnt call reprobates to witness, duh
TibiasDad
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God’s intent for the entirety of Israel, every single person, is to be a witness to the rest of the world. But not all Israel, indeed for a large part of her history, most of Israel was disobedient in large part. Thus, while God’s plan and desire was for Israel to be a “witness”, they, in large part weren’t, which demonstrates that what God wills isn’t always what happens in terms of man’s response to him.
Doug
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MTMattie
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Oh me, oh my.
Do you recall when Jesus , from his very own mouth said.
"But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” In case you dont know... He said that in Matt 15 vs 24.
Now....
Who is it you believe the lost sheep were?
@TibiasDad said
And based on the need to send Jesus for them, or at least those who would at last hear and believe there could be no better biblical example
of free-will then what came out of our Saviors mouth.
He knew not all would follow him . It was their choice after all was presented to them.
brightfame52
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Thats false, God dealt in Salvation matters only with a remnant. Only the Remnant was His Israel Rom 9:6
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Generally that would be the faithful prophets, who were His witnesses, Like Isaiah, Jeremiah etc
They were the ones Isa 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
The people in general persecuted them, they were Christs prohets Matt 5:12
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Matt 23 31
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
They the prophets for the most part were chosen witnesses Jer 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
brightfame52
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Already spoke on that, read the posts
MTMattie
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Just as a reminder. You are among the copy and paste guilty who obviously need reminded of things from time to time
TibiasDad
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brightfame52
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You not listening to me, Im finished with it. Paul was made a believer in Christ in being made an Apostle of His. And the same goes for all believers in Christ, even if they are not an apostle, they still are sovereignly made to serve His Body in some kind of capacity. The Spirit is sovereign in the assignment 1 Cor 12:18-30
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
God is sovereign in who becomes a believer and what role of service they shall have.
The context shows Doug was correct.
The audience here is national Israel.
Isaiah 43:1–10 (KJV 1900) — 1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, And he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. 2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; And through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: When thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; Neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. 3 For I am the LORD thy God, The Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. 4 Since thou wast precious in my sight, Thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: Therefore will I give men for thee, And people for thy life. 5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, And gather thee from the west; 6 I will say to the north, Give up; And to the south, Keep not back: Bring my sons from far, And my daughters from the ends of the earth; 7 Even every one that is called by my name: For I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. 8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, And the deaf that have ears. 9 Let all the nations be gathered together, And let the people be assembled: Who among them can declare this, And shew us former things? Let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: Or let them hear, and say, It is truth. 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, And my servant whom I have chosen: That ye may know and believe me, And understand that I am he: Before me there was no God formed, Neither shall there be after me.
brightfame52
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Thats false, God dealt in Salvation matters only with a remnant.
You ignored the passage
The audience here is national Israel.
Isaiah 43:1–10 (KJV 1900) — 1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, And he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. 2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; And through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: When thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; Neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. 3 For I am the LORD thy God, The Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. 4 Since thou wast precious in my sight, Thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: Therefore will I give men for thee, And people for thy life. 5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, And gather thee from the west; 6 I will say to the north, Give up; And to the south, Keep not back: Bring my sons from far, And my daughters from the ends of the earth; 7 Even every one that is called by my name: For I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. 8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, And the deaf that have ears. 9 Let all the nations be gathered together, And let the people be assembled: Who among them can declare this, And shew us former things? Let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: Or let them hear, and say, It is truth. 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, And my servant whom I have chosen: That ye may know and believe me, And understand that I am he: Before me there was no God formed, Neither shall there be after me.
Try reading context before you go making pronouncements.
