Salvation is according to the will of God
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civic
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ditto
civic
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ditto
Behold
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@MTMattie . What you posted is a sound question that should plague a deceived "TULIP head"..
It can be rephrased like this..
"MR TULIP who is lost in the darkness of 5 point land.......... your Hyper Calvinism, and John Calvin teach that in every family (mother, dad, brothers, children, grand parents)... = this Satanic Tulip Theology teaches that some of your family are born to burn in the lake of fire, because God limited the Cross so that it does not apply to them". "So that means that some of your family, according to Satanic TULIP "the 5 points" is teaching that some of your family are born to burn in the Lake of Fire.....(REALLY)...so, do you know who this is, in your family? Is it your mother, your children, your wife, your grandmother "????
""""""Who has Calvin and Hyper-Calvinism defined in YOUR FAMILY as "born to burn"...."refused The Cross".. and are "predestined to the lake of fire".. simply for being born, of which, noone has a choice to be born here"....
See that Reader? You wont find a Calvinist that wants to deal with that reality check, yet they all want to lead you into this Theology of Demonic Insanity.
Why?
Because Christians want to lead you to CHRIST.......and a Calvinist wants to lead you to CALVINISM..
Those are not the same..
God hates Calvinism.
Jesus is not a Calvinist.
Believe it.
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Pancho Frijoles
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Are you depraved? In which sense?
My apologies for the question, but I would like to know how you deem the works of God in your life.
brightfame52
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In this marvelous doxology Paul gives praise to the three persons of the eternal Trinity, (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), for the infinitely wise and gracious salvation of all the elect. In his adoration and praise to God, Paul proclaims to all men the method of God’s saving grace. He tells us how it is that God saves sinners.
1. God saves sinners by his own sovereign and eternal purpose of grace (3-6). Here are five things God did for all his elect in Christ before the world was created. He blessed us with all spiritual blessings in him. In Christ all of God’s elect have every spiritual blessing which holiness can require, which grace can give and which sinful men can need. He chose us in eternal election. God’s ultimate end in our election is that we (the objects of his love) should be perfectly holy and blameless in his sight. He predestinated us to be his own dear children. He adopted us into his family. Having adopted us, God sovereignly predestinated all things for us, securing our eternal enjoyment of his grace. He accepted us in the Beloved. Before the world was made, before we became sinners, God accepted us in Christ.
2. God saves sinners by a legal and effectual blood atonement (6-12). All of those who were chosen by God in eternity were in time redeemed by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. In great wisdom, prudence and grace, God found a way to be both just and the justifier of his elect. He made Christ our Substitute. Charging Christ with our sin, and punishing him for sin, God fully redeemed and forgave all his elect when Christ died in our place.
3. God saves sinners by the irresistible power and grace of the Holy Spirit (13-14). In the fullness of time every sinner chosen by God and redeemed by Christ is called by the Spirit through the gospel. All who are called believe. All who believe are sealed by the Spirit. And all who are sealed will enter into eternal glory.
1. God saves sinners by his own sovereign and eternal purpose of grace (3-6). Here are five things God did for all his elect in Christ before the world was created. He blessed us with all spiritual blessings in him. In Christ all of God’s elect have every spiritual blessing which holiness can require, which grace can give and which sinful men can need. He chose us in eternal election. God’s ultimate end in our election is that we (the objects of his love) should be perfectly holy and blameless in his sight. He predestinated us to be his own dear children. He adopted us into his family. Having adopted us, God sovereignly predestinated all things for us, securing our eternal enjoyment of his grace. He accepted us in the Beloved. Before the world was made, before we became sinners, God accepted us in Christ.
2. God saves sinners by a legal and effectual blood atonement (6-12). All of those who were chosen by God in eternity were in time redeemed by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. In great wisdom, prudence and grace, God found a way to be both just and the justifier of his elect. He made Christ our Substitute. Charging Christ with our sin, and punishing him for sin, God fully redeemed and forgave all his elect when Christ died in our place.
3. God saves sinners by the irresistible power and grace of the Holy Spirit (13-14). In the fullness of time every sinner chosen by God and redeemed by Christ is called by the Spirit through the gospel. All who are called believe. All who believe are sealed by the Spirit. And all who are sealed will enter into eternal glory.
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God saves those who believe
John 3:36 (NASB95) — 36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
What, have you no answer?
brightfame52
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That scripture doesnt say God saves those who believe.
brightfame52
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Yeah Rabbit trail, duh
MTMattie
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Huh? How then " .......John 3:36 (NASB95) — 36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” ........do they have eternal life if God does not save those that believe in the Son?
brightfame52
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It says "“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; " thats true, you must have eternal life to believe, believing is evidence. Those who dont believe is evidence theyre condemn and under Gods wrath
MTMattie
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Sorry but I read that to mean that you must believe before you have eternal life. not after you have eternal life.
Have you ever read... anywhere... that one got their new birth and then did not believe in Jesus? Anyone?
But you know people who will never have that belief.... but once we do then we have the right for our new birth.
brightfame52
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You see how I understand it.
MTMattie
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Yes, and I also , the more I read certain verses in the bible see how they can be read in a couple of different ways....
So that begs a question. Was that by design? Perhaps the inspirations to the authors were by intention?
No, please don't ask me to name any right now... but when I do see in the future I will try to make note of
it possibly fitting two roads.
Again, it looks like you have no answer.
That, however, is a rather common occurrence in your posts.
You seem to be experiencing reading difficulty
God saves those who believe
John 3:36 (NASB95) — 36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
But if you don't like that
1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Perhaps one day you will finally come to believe scripture.
brightfame52
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Rabbit trail
