Salvation and Unitarians

[APAK]

That is not very kind or friendly way to treat people. Just because a person looks different or believes differently than someone else does not give them the right to treat them unkindly. You can tell if a person is being influenced by the Holy Spirit the way they treat those who are difficult to love. Jesus said it is easy to love those who love you but I say to you love your enemies and do good to them. The fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Just came back in the house...

Well Joy, I've only been on this site a few days now and I have received generally nothing but signals of 'go away' and 'you believe this and that don't you' or completely ignoring my posts with pre-judgements. And these strange claims that angels worship me and the like is astounding. Where does it all come from, from a Spirit of God filled heart. I think not in my quick estimation and good sense.

So this comment I just made was truly qualified. I do not like having to correct folks this way, unless you can tell me of another 'gentler way' when I do not know who I'm really writing to? I'm all ears at this point.

And hello of course to you, may God bless you for sharing even under these circumstances...APAK

 

[praise_yeshua]

and I am a sinner who was saved by God because Jesus paid the price for my sins. Jesus is my Savior.

I asked you how you make Christ Master and not commit idolatry based upon you own standard. Do you care to answer?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Just came back in the house...

Well Joy, I've only been on this site a few days now and I have received generally nothing but signals of 'go away' and 'you believe this and that don't you' or completely ignoring my posts with pre-judgements. And these strange claims that angels worship me and the like is astounding. Where does it all come from, from a Spirit of God filled heart. I think not in my quick estimation and good sense.

So this comment I just made was truly qualified. I do not like having to correct folks this way, unless you can tell me of another 'gentler way' when I do not know who I'm really writing to? I'm all ears at this point.

And hello of course to you, may God bless you for sharing even under these circumstances...APAK

No one has told you to go away. I haven't ignored a word you've said.

 

[Joy]

Just came back in the house...

Well Joy, I've only been on this site a few days now and I have received generally nothing but signals of 'go away' and 'you believe this and that don't you' or completely ignoring my posts with pre-judgements. And these strange claims that angels worship me and the like is astounding. Where does it all come from, from a Spirit of God filled heart. I think not in my quick estimation and good sense.

So this comment I just made was truly qualified. I do not like having to correct folks this way, unless you can tell me of another 'gentler way' when I do not know who I'm really writing to? I'm all ears at this point.

And hello of course to you, may God bless you for sharing even under these circumstances...APAK

@civic assured me things will be different here so only time will tell. He seems to treat everyone nicely as a trinitarian so I respect him and what he is trying to do here on this forum.

 

[praise_yeshua]

@civic assured me things will be different here so only time will tell. He seems to treat everyone nicely as a trinitarian so I respect him and what he is trying to do here on this forum.

How do you tell someone they are wrong and in real danger because of what they believing.... and not offend someone?

I can tell you. That I've been offended by the Gospel. In fact, it is necessary to be offended.

Ultimately, you don't answer to me. Why are you offended in rightfully being challenged on anything you believe. I asked you specific questions. Difficult questions. You can't answer them. Just admit it. You can't. Isn't that frustrating?

 

[Joy]

How do you tell someone they are wrong and in real danger because of what they believing.... and not offend someone?

I can tell you. That I've been offended by the Gospel. In fact, it is necessary to be offended.

Ultimately, you don't answer to me. Why are you offended in rightfully being challenged on anything you believe. I asked you specific questions. Difficult questions. You can't answer them. Just admit it. You can't. Isn't that frustrating?

Maybe you are the one who is wrong and i am not the one who is wrong. I believe the gospel.

 

[praise_yeshua]

maybe you are the one who is wrong and not im the one who is wrong.

Tell me how I am wrong. I will listen.

 

[Joy]

Tell me how I am wrong. I will listen.

Do you obey Jesus in the lords prayer and pray to the Father or do you disobey him and go against what he taught his disciples and skip praying to the Father and pray to Jesus?

 

[Fred]

I believe the gospel.

The preaching of the gospel included Jesus is God (Romans 10:8, 13).

 

[praise_yeshua]

Do you obey Jesus in the lords prayer and pray to the Father or do you disobey him and go against what he taught his disciples and skip praying to the Father and pray to Jesus?

I pray to both. Just how do you engage the Father without engaging the Son? He is the MEDIATOR. You don't get to the Father except through Him.

Which means I must communicate with the Son. Do you really think "In Jesus's name" equals communicating with the Son?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I pray to both. Just how do you engage the Father without engaging the Son? He is the MEDIATOR. You don't get to the Father except through Him.

Which means I must communicate with the Son. Do you really think "In Jesus's name" equals communicating with the Son?

I literally tell Jesus Christ that I LOVE HIM and how grateful I am for Him. Over and over again.

 

[civic]

@civic assured me things will be different here so only time will tell. He seems to treat everyone nicely as a trinitarian so I respect him and what he is trying to do here on this forum.

All I can do is try my best and set the example. The guys here know how they should act and I hate to be the policeman . The golden rule is my motto and the forums as well. Every once in a while we all need that reminder. That goes for both Trinitarians and non trinitarians.

 

[Joy]

I pray to both. Just how do you engage the Father without engaging the Son? He is the MEDIATOR. You don't get to the Father except through Him.

Which means I must communicate with the Son. Do you really think "In Jesus's name" equals communicating with the Son?

I pray to the Father through the Son as Paul demonstrates in his epistles when he prays for the readers in the churches.

Here is Paul in Philippians
I thank my God every time I remember you. 4 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5 because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
7 It is right for me to feel this way about all of you, since I have you in my heart and, whether I am in chains or defending and confirming the gospel, all of you share in God’s grace with me. 8 God can testify how I long for all of you with the affection of Christ Jesus.
9 And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight,

 

[Fred]

I literally tell Jesus Christ that I LOVE HIM and how grateful I am for Him. Over and over again.

Since she is against praying to Jesus. Thus, the Jesus whom she says she loves will not hear that from her heart/lips.

Really sad.

 

[Fred]

I pray to the Father through the Son as Paul demonstrates in his epistles when he prays for the readers in the churches.

Paul also prayed to the Son (1 Thessalonians 3:12).

 

[Joy]

Paul also prayed to the Son (1 Thessalonians 3:12).

Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus clear the way for us to come to you. 12 May the Lord make your love increase and overflow for each other and for everyone else, just as ours does for you. 13 May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I pray to the Father through the Son as Paul demonstrates in his epistles when he prays for the readers in the churches.

Here is Paul in Philippians
I thank my God every time I remember you. 4 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5 because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
7 It is right for me to feel this way about all of you, since I have you in my heart and, whether I am in chains or defending and confirming the gospel, all of you share in God’s grace with me. 8 God can testify how I long for all of you with the affection of Christ Jesus.
9 And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight,

That is not statement that is an exacting example of a prayer. It is a general reference.

 

[Fred]

Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus clear the way for us to come to you. 12 May the Lord make your love increase and overflow for each other and for everyone else, just as ours does for you. 13 May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.

You ignored the "Lord Jesus" part.
I put it in boldfaced and underlined for you above...hopefully, you can see it this time.

 

[Joy]

That is not statement that an example of an exact prayer. It is a general reference.

I imitate Paul as he asked believers to follow his example as he followed Christ example. Jesus taught his disciples how to pray and Paul did the same by following the same outline Jesus game to them.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus clear the way for us to come to you. 12 May the Lord make your love increase and overflow for each other and for everyone else, just as ours does for you. 13 May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.

Can you compare the Lord/Master status of Christ to what you claim is essential to Unitarianism? I believe you need to reconcile how you see Christ as Lord/Master and not make Him equal to God.