He commanded his real teachers to teach all that he taught to the flock-Matt 28:19-20--And Jesus teaches, to remain his friend and in his love one MUST-obey all he commanded. John 15:10-14)--The big one being--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT, taught without fail to the flock by the real teachers who have Jesus. All can look at their teachers and see if they obey Jesus by teaching every utterance from God=1540 pages give or take.
Romans 10:11 - Does 'him' refer to the Father or to the Lord Jesus?
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Johann
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We are all in need of encouragement and what you just did with wrangler and your kind words is simply amazing.
Titus
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For any JW that needs guidance for the answer of who him is in Romans 10:11
Here is the context of the chapter
Romans 10:4-11,
- or Who shall descend into the deep that is to bring up Christ from the dead, but what saith it the word is nigh thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart, that is the word of faith, which we preach
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
For the scripture saith whoever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed
KJV
shedding some light on who him is in Romans 10:11
ps its Christ, Jesus
Here is the context of the chapter
Romans 10:4-11,
- or Who shall descend into the deep that is to bring up Christ from the dead, but what saith it the word is nigh thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart, that is the word of faith, which we preach
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
For the scripture saith whoever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed
KJV
shedding some light on who him is in Romans 10:11
ps its Christ, Jesus
DavidTree
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Brother Johann, You are an encouragement to myself and many others as well = we all need to allow Christ to have the Preeminence in our hearts.
By this i have been Saved = "Love covers a multitude of sins" = 1 Peter 4:8
We know thru Whom we have believed and by His Love we are able to love each other.
Thank You Brother for your love in Christ
DavidTree
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Wrangler
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God's eternal name to be known for all generations is YHWH, not Jesus. Jesus is not God but OF God - word, son, priest, apostle, lamb and servant. Acts 3:13.
Regarding language usage, this is NOT how we refer to someone. No one would say Joe Biden is the servant of the President since he is the President. Using OF phrases is just another way to know Jesus is not God.
Another powerful way to know that Jesus is not God is juxtaposition. Consider Acts 2:36, where it juxtaposes God and Jesus, which is ubiquitous in Scripture. God made Jesus BOTH lord and savior. Again, this is not how language is used. No one says FDR made General Eisenhower Supreme Allied Commander to mean Eisenhower is FDR. God made Jesus. By definition, a son is a created Being.
Your (false) claim of it being ambiguous gives you a way out.
Romans 10:11 (as well as many other passages) aren't going away. You can run away, but they are still there.
Wrangler
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LOL Sad that you have to resort to deception to support your doctrine. If a sentence using a singular male pronoun to refer to 2 males is not ambiguous, what would be ambiguous text?
Wrangler
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@DavidTree, I just came across this in today's devotional reading. Ez 20:5-7 (REV translation)
It is my understanding the God's eternal name is in Scripture 7,000 times and was removed by trinitarians translators. The name of God is YHWH not Jesus and no ambiguous text or extreme eisegeisis will change that.
5and tell them: This is what the Lord Yahweh says: In the day when I chose Israel and lifted up my hand and swore to the seed of the house of Jacob and made myself known to them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up my hand to them, saying, I am Yahweh your God,
6in that day I lifted up my hand to them and swore to them to bring them forth out of the land of Egypt into a land that I had searched out for them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands.
7I said to them: Each one of you is to cast away the detestable things that are before his eyes, and do not defile yourselves with the idols of Egypt; I am Yahweh your God.
It is my understanding the God's eternal name is in Scripture 7,000 times and was removed by trinitarians translators. The name of God is YHWH not Jesus and no ambiguous text or extreme eisegeisis will change that.
civic
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Romans 10
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!
conclusion: Jesus is Lord, Jesus is him who was raised, The same Lord ( Jesus ) is Lord of all ( there is only One Lord 1 Cor 8:6- Jesus ). Jesus is the Lord one calls upon to be saved. There is salvation in no other name but Jesus ( Acts 4:12). Jesus is the Only Lord ( Jude 1:4)
hope this helps !!!
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!
conclusion: Jesus is Lord, Jesus is him who was raised, The same Lord ( Jesus ) is Lord of all ( there is only One Lord 1 Cor 8:6- Jesus ). Jesus is the Lord one calls upon to be saved. There is salvation in no other name but Jesus ( Acts 4:12). Jesus is the Only Lord ( Jude 1:4)
hope this helps !!!
DavidTree
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That is incredible that His Name is mentioned 7,000 times?
Did you know that 7 is God's Personal Signature?
EXTRA - EXTRA - Read all about it
Have you ever examined the many claims YHWH makes of Himself in OT Scripture AND how YESHUA makes those same claims of Himself?
Example: In Ezekiel ch20 YHWH makes this claim: "I will bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the countries where you are scattered, with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out. 35And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead My case with you face to face. 36Just as I pleaded My case with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will plead My case with you,” says the Lord God."
YHWH says that HE will gather the Jewish people AFTER HE scatters them to the nations.
Compare this to the claim(s) of YESHUA in Matthew chapters 23 and 24
Matthew 23:37-39
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
Jesus was dead. God resurrected him. See your own words-- God hath raised him from the dead.
Titus
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Pretend your Father is God.
Your mother is women.
That would make you 100% man right?
Wrong!!! You would be God and man.
How to get 100% man
You take one physical man.
One physical women.
Procreate
And you get boys and girls.
How to get God in the flesh of a man.
You take God as the Father.
One physical Women.
Miraculous virgin birth and you get God in the flesh of man.
Helping to shed light on who Jesus is for the Jehovah witnesses.
Your mother is women.
That would make you 100% man right?
Wrong!!! You would be God and man.
How to get 100% man
You take one physical man.
One physical women.
Procreate
And you get boys and girls.
How to get God in the flesh of a man.
You take God as the Father.
One physical Women.
Miraculous virgin birth and you get God in the flesh of man.
Helping to shed light on who Jesus is for the Jehovah witnesses.
DavidTree
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What part of Jesus died???
The same as all-He went to Hades=grave and waited for 3 days for God to resurrect him.
Jesus has a God, just like us-John 20:17
DavidTree
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According to Scripture = What part of Jesus went to the grave?
Jesus was mortal, Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. His corpse went into the grave.
