DavidTree
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Correct = The physical body of Jesus went to the grave.
Where did the Word that was God, who became flesh(Jesus), where did HE go when the physical body HE was in died?
Romans 10:11 - Does 'him' refer to the Father or to the Lord Jesus?
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Where did the Word that was God, who became flesh(Jesus), where did HE go when the physical body HE was in died?
There is no ghost like being inside of any mortal. They go the grave and await the resurrection.
DavidTree
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Luke 23:44-46
Now it was about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. Then the sun was [m]darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn in two. And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, ‘into Your hands I commit My spirit.’ ”
Having said this, He breathed His last.
The Spirit of Christ left His physical body when HE he laid down His physical life on the Cross.
Yes spirit as in God knows every iota of dna of every being he ever created. And can recreate them just as they were.
The bible as well teaches that Jesus spoke to those in Hades, yet Hades is the grave, it was symbolism. The bible as well teaches-On the day of ones death all thought stops. So why would Jesus literally speak to those who cannot think?
DavidTree
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Gospel of John chapter 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His [c]own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Where does it say that the Word was created by God in this passage?
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Col-1:15,16-The FIRSTBORN of ALL CREATION)--All creation occurred at the beginning, Jesus is the first being created =direct-first and last, all other things created-THROUGH him.(Col 1:16)--He is Gods master worker of Prov 8--He gives God all credit for the creation, because God created it all.
DavidTree
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Thank You @Keiw1 for your post.
Let us take a close look at Colossians
Colossians 1:15-18
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Where does it say that God created Jesus in this passage?
Firstborn of all creation DOES NOT say nor imply that Jesus was created = it is only referring to His Resurrection.
Firstborn is SAME as Firstfruit = 1 Corinthians 15:20-23
But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
JESUS the CHRIST is the FIRST to Rise from the grave receiving a Glorified Body = Firstborn/Firstfruit
@Keiw1, you can be set FREE from the bondage of religious error if you fully embrace the Truth.
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Your translation is erred. All things can't be created by him if they were created through him. Through him means another created them-His God and Father.
The term all creation proves 100% its speaking of the beginning creation. Its when all creation occurred. Verse 16 is clearly showing its the beginning creation being spoken about.
DavidTree
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And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Same as
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
Error statement: "All things can't be created by him if they were through him."
DavidTree
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What does this statement determine?
"And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist."
Trinity translations are filled with misleading errors, filled with contradictions. They removed Gods name by satans will to mislead.
He is before all things( except God) because God gave him all authority in heaven and on earth. Matt 28:18--If he were God he would already have all authority and no one could give it to him. One greater than him( Father) who owns all authority gave it to him.
DavidTree
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Let's place our trust in the fact that God cannot lie AND that HE loves us AND will only tell us the Truth.
"God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the immutability of His counsel, confirmed it by an oath, that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us." - Hebrews 6:17-18
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DavidTree
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Since the WORD is before ALL things we know without any doubt that HE was with God BEFORE anything was created, whether on earth or in Heaven.
God didn't lie. Wicked men altered his bible to mislead. These-2Thess 2:3=The religion that came out of Rome and all her branches. That is why they have become a mass of confusion= a lack of holy spirit causes the confusion.
He tells all he was created at Prov 8:22-25.--Col 1:15-The FIRSTBORN of all creation. Creation occurred at the beginning. Its why he really teaches that he has a God just like us-John 20:17, Rev 3:12
DavidTree
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We are not engaging the wicked Roman Catholic church.
The Holy Spirit of Truth only leads us into Truth.
Where does the Holy Spirit want to lead you?
DavidTree
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Nowhere in Scripture does it make any declaration that Elohim was created.
Where does the Holy Spirit want to lead you?
No trinity religion has holy spirit, they are a mass of confusion= a house divided will not stand. There are hundreds of them with hundreds of different truths. The holy spirit is not confused, mens twistings because a lack of holy spirit has caused it.
Jesus isnt Elohim--YHWH( Jehovah) is Elohim--The name Elijah means-EL( Elohim) is YHWH(Jehovah)
