Revelation Bible Study Lessons

very few will not be saved from here,
since that is what 'saving is'
to be restored to our paradise home...

many pastors,
adam,
and the evil realm entities
will not be allowed to enter paradise
for if they were
a similar thing could happen as what adam did
and He will not allow that ever again...

eve is forgiven
and all the sons and daughters will
be together finally
again in paradise
and jacob and all the OT saints
and early church ones
and disciples, all souls of Him
together again in our Home
which the evil realm
made fall
 
Although Christians are most familiar with the first coming of Christ, it is the second coming that gets the most ink in the Bible. References to the second coming outnumber references to the first by a factor of eight to one. Scholars count 1,845 biblical references to the second coming, including 318 in the New Testament. Christ’s return is emphasized in no less than seventeen Old Testament books and seven out of every ten chapters in the New Testament. The Lord Himself referred to His return twenty-one times. The second coming is second only to faith as the most dominant subject in the New Testament.

have you considered that there are three coming or two Returns of the Lord Jesus?

101G.
 
GINOLJC, to all,
we all know that Revelation is sometimes difficult to understand at time. but consider this. do not the opening of the seventh seal take place at the "first" coming of the Lord Jesus in the TIMELINE of the two witnesses, (who are John the Baptist, and the Lord Jesus the Christ).
@civic, weigh in on this also, you're pretty sharp in this area. 101G is looking for edification only, no arguments. for the first coming of the Lord Jesus is very important.... especially in the TIMELINE of the two witnesses.

looking to have a good discussion.

101G.
 
GINOLJC, to all,
we all know that Revelation is sometimes difficult to understand at time. but consider this. do not the opening of the seventh seal take place at the "first" coming of the Lord Jesus in the TIMELINE of the two witnesses, (who are John the Baptist, and the Lord Jesus the Christ).
@civic, weigh in on this also, you're pretty sharp in this area. 101G is looking for edification only, no arguments. for the first coming of the Lord Jesus is very important.... especially in the TIMELINE of the two witnesses.

looking to have a good discussion.

101G.
Personally I think the 2 witnesses are the sane 2 in the transfiguration, Moses and Elijah. The miracles they perform in revelation are the same as they did in the OT.
 
Personally I think the 2 witnesses are the sane 2 in the transfiguration, Moses and Elijah. The miracles they perform in revelation are the same as they did in the OT.
what if the two witnesses are John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus.

101G.
 
Not if revelation is all future after it was written :)
Let's do this, if we can place the 7 trumpets and the Woe's in the time of the two witnesses, (the start of the blowing of the trumpets), and then prove without a doubt (meaning from scriptures), that John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus the Christ are the two witnesses in Revelation 11, then can we discuss the TIMELINE of the A. first coming of Christ as this topic is about, and B. the TIMELINE of the events in seventh seal. ......... agree?

101G.
 
@civic, John the Baptist, the first of the two witnesses.
First OT, Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, (meaning his room), or body, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts." Malachi 3:2 "But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:" Malachi 3:3 "And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness." offer unto the LORD an offering in Righteousness? Remember before the FIST coming of the Lord, as Malachi said here to his Holy Temple, 400 years of “silence” not one word of scripture from the LORD GOD. Now, the birth of John the Baptist, (who is the Elijah to come). scripture, Malachi 4:5 "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:" Malachi 4:6 "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." can we prove this? Yes, John the baptist father Zacharias was doing his priestly duties in the course that was set by king David for the attending priest in their order. While doing his duties, the angel Gabriel showed up and startle the priest. Luke 1:8 "And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course," Luke 1:9 "According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord." Luke 1:10 "And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense." Luke 1:11 "And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense." Luke 1:12 "And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him." Luke 1:13 "But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John." Luke 1:14 "And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth." Luke 1:15 "For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." Luke 1:16 "And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God." Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

What did Malachi say, 4:5 "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:" Malachi 4:6 "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." that's word for word, this cannot be mistaken, for it is written. it's like reading a newspaper from the OT.

one more reference of John in the spirit and power of Elijah. Isaiah 40:3 "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."
when Isaiah said, "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God." what did John say when asked who he was? John 1:19 "And this is the record (record here is witness), of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?" John 1:20 "And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ." John 1:21 "And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No." John 1:22 "Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?" John 1:23 "He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias." he told them directly who he was. when they asked if he was "Elias/Elijah", he said NO, why, because he was not the FLESH, BLOOD, and BONE man Elijah, but he came in the spirit and POWER of Elijah, just as the bible said.

Now the NT reference to John the Baptist as the Elijah to Come. "The transfiguration of Christ ". Matthew 17:1 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart," Matthew 17:2 "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light." Matthew 17:3 "And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him." now we see your two who you think is the two witnesses. but let pick back up this as they come off the mountain and see the revelation.
Matthew 17:7 "And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid." Matthew 17:8 "And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only." Matthew 17:9 "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead." Matthew 17:10 "And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?" Matthew 17:11 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things." Matthew 17:12 "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them." Matthew 17:13 "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist."

just as Malachi and Isaiah both said that the forerunner of the Lord who came unto his temple who establish the New Covenant was John the Baptist, THE ELIJAH TO COME.

so no doubt John is the Elijah to Come. now one other thing. because 101G is getting ready for church this morning, (and we can pick this up afterward). the woe in chapter 9 is the first woe under the 7 trumpets, let's see it. Revelation 9:12 "One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter." only two more correct... guess where the next one is at? let's see. Revelation 11:14 "The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly." this second woe is after the two witness, and the verse says the third woe comes quickly. well did not the Lord Jesus say he comes quickly? let's see. Revelation 22:7 "Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book." and one more, Revelation 22:12 "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

we suggest you read over this post, and we can discuss later after church.

be blessed, looking to hear what you have to say.

101G.
 
@civic,
The Lord Jesus and the similarities or the analogy of both.​
Here are some, (NOT ALL), a compiled similarities between the Lord Jesus the Christ and the prophet Moses.
1. both have a close relationship with God. Moses a face to face Physical (human) meeting. Jesus a
Spiritual Face to face. John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the
bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

2. both were ordained by God to deliver his people from bondage. Moses Physical bondage, the Lord Jesus
Spiritual bondage

3. both Moses and the Lord Jesus were saved from certain death when they were small children/babies, while most
other Israelite male children of the same age and place of birth were murdered.

4.both the Lord Jesus and Moses refused the possibility to become rulers in their age. Satan offered the Lord Jesus the rule over the kingdoms of this world (Matthew 4:8-9), but the Lord Jesus rejected that offer and chose to suffer and die for the sake of the people of the world. Moses acted in a similar manner; he had been raised as a son in the Egyptian royal family, and he could have had a lavish lifestyle, but he chose differently. he suffered for the people sake.

5.both the Lord Jesus and Moses were "called out of Egypt". to deliver their peoples, whom they were mediator for

6. both Moses and the Lord Jesus interceded for Israel, not allowing the destruction of the nation

7.both the Lord Jesus and Moses "mediated" between Israel, (now the church), and the true God.

8.both the Lord Jesus and Moses were Lawgivers. Moses the carnal Law of Stone. Jesus the Spiritual Law of
the heart.

9.both had water connections. The Nile (water) into blood/red. the Lord Jesus Water into wine/red

10.both died, and no man knows where their GRAVE are, meaning that the proof they are in their graves.

11.both had surrogate mother who was not their natural biological mothers.

12.both talked to God on mountains tops.

this is just a few, and only a few of their comparison there are many more. by now one should have the understanding of who the two witness are…. John the Baptist, and the Lord Jesus the Christ.

as said, these was just a few things that both are in analogy with.

now just a side note. both was sent "from" God not send "by" God..... John's, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:4 "In him was life; and the life was the light of men." John 1:5 "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John." John 1:7 "The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe." notice John was a witness "FROM" God.

101G
 
GINOLJC, to all,
we all know that Revelation is sometimes difficult to understand at time. but consider this. do not the opening of the seventh seal take place at the "first" coming of the Lord Jesus in the TIMELINE of the two witnesses, (who are John the Baptist, and the Lord Jesus the Christ).
@civic, weigh in on this also, you're pretty sharp in this area. 101G is looking for edification only, no arguments. for the first coming of the Lord Jesus is very important.... especially in the TIMELINE of the two witnesses.

looking to have a good discussion.

101G.
the two witnesses are the male and female originals of eden, 144k sons and daughters)
with the sons being in the image of God
and the daughters in the image of God's feminine spirit (who was seen as the pillar of fire)
and these now in their resurrection body
/ restored to their original eden body
(not this one)
return with Christ to this earth
during tribulation to witness
to the left behind
which is almost all the believers.... (jacob)
so that many of them will
also then be saved from here
after their deaths
 
theology has made a mess
..because it has conformed to and
preached the corrupt scroll

which is the sealed vision
..Daniel
 
the two witnesses are the male and female originals of eden, 144k sons and daughters)
with the sons being in the image of God
and the daughters in the image of God's feminine spirit (who was seen as the pillar of fire)
and these now in their resurrection body
/ restored to their original eden body
(not this one)
return with Christ to this earth
during tribulation to witness
to the left behind
which is almost all the believers.... (jacob)
so that many of them will
also then be saved from here
after their deaths
GINOLJC, to all.
sorry but 101G cannot buy that explanation. try something else.

101G.
 
GINOLJC, to all.
sorry but 101G cannot buy that explanation. try something else.

101G.
just because you can't buy it
does not make it untrue.
just because many blab the corrupt
version (sealed vision) for 1000s of years
doesn't mean it is right.
 
just because you can't buy it
does not make it untrue.
just because many blab the corrupt
version (sealed vision) for 1000s of years
doesn't mean it is right.
you have no scripture proof. not one scripture, then your statements are unsubstantiated. and two ... as you said, just because you say "corrupt" does not make it untrue. so, you have nothing to stand on .... at all.

101G.
 
@civic,
The Lord Jesus and the similarities or the analogy of both.​
Here are some, (NOT ALL), a compiled similarities between the Lord Jesus the Christ and the prophet Moses.
1. both have a close relationship with God. Moses a face to face Physical (human) meeting. Jesus a
Spiritual Face to face. John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the
bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

2. both were ordained by God to deliver his people from bondage. Moses Physical bondage, the Lord Jesus
Spiritual bondage

3. both Moses and the Lord Jesus were saved from certain death when they were small children/babies, while most
other Israelite male children of the same age and place of birth were murdered.

4.both the Lord Jesus and Moses refused the possibility to become rulers in their age. Satan offered the Lord Jesus the rule over the kingdoms of this world (Matthew 4:8-9), but the Lord Jesus rejected that offer and chose to suffer and die for the sake of the people of the world. Moses acted in a similar manner; he had been raised as a son in the Egyptian royal family, and he could have had a lavish lifestyle, but he chose differently. he suffered for the people sake.

5.both the Lord Jesus and Moses were "called out of Egypt". to deliver their peoples, whom they were mediator for

6. both Moses and the Lord Jesus interceded for Israel, not allowing the destruction of the nation

7.both the Lord Jesus and Moses "mediated" between Israel, (now the church), and the true God.

8.both the Lord Jesus and Moses were Lawgivers. Moses the carnal Law of Stone. Jesus the Spiritual Law of
the heart.

9.both had water connections. The Nile (water) into blood/red. the Lord Jesus Water into wine/red

10.both died, and no man knows where their GRAVE are, meaning that the proof they are in their graves.

11.both had surrogate mother who was not their natural biological mothers.

12.both talked to God on mountains tops.

this is just a few, and only a few of their comparison there are many more. by now one should have the understanding of who the two witness are…. John the Baptist, and the Lord Jesus the Christ.

as said, these was just a few things that both are in analogy with.

now just a side note. both was sent "from" God not send "by" God..... John's, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:4 "In him was life; and the life was the light of men." John 1:5 "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John." John 1:7 "The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe." notice John was a witness "FROM" God.

101G
And the "Elijah to come"

Matthew 11:13–14 (UASV) — 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah, the one who is to come.
 
And the "Elijah to come"

Matthew 11:13–14 (UASV) — 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah, the one who is to come.
yes, came already, John the Baptist is that Elijah... IN "POWER" and spirit. not the flesh and blood man that live long before, no. but in the POWER and spirit of that man. Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." as said by the prophet Malachi 4:5 "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:" Malachi 4:6 "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." this is like reading a newspaper from the OT.... word for word.

101G.
Matthew 11:13–14 (UASV) — 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah, the one who is to come.
CORRECT.

101G.
 
yes, came already, John the Baptist is that Elijah... IN "POWER" and spirit. not the flesh and blood man that live long before, no. but in the POWER and spirit of that man. Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." as said by the prophet Malachi 4:5 "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:" Malachi 4:6 "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." this is like reading a newspaper from the OT.... word for word.

101G.

CORRECT.

101G.
Ok
 
in the name of the Lord Jesus thanks, we agree with the scriptures. also he, the Lord Jesus confirmed this John the Baptist when they came off the mount of transfiguration. let's pick it up at verses ..... Matthew 17:8 "And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only." Matthew 17:9 "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead." Matthew 17:10 "And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?" Matthew 17:11 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things." Matthew 17:12 "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them." Matthew 17:13 "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist."

101G.
 
@TomL,
there is something one needs to know about the TIMELINE of the two witnesses. a. they are reveal in the Seventh seal. beginning with Revelation chapter 8. verse 1 states, "there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour". which is a season, or the 400 years of silence from God in between the OT and the NT, in which the Lord Jesus establish the NEW COVENANT. and after this silence, John the Baptist came on the scene. the forerunner of the Lord. the Elijah to come. now to back this claim up, notice in Revelation 8:13 "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!"

three woes are given correct. now the next chapter, in it we see the first "woe". Revelation 9:12 "One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter." ok, one woe is PAST, now this after the two-witness testimony. Revelation 11:11 "And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them." Revelation 11:12 "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them." Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." Revelation 11:14 "The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly." Bingo, so the two witness is in the First and second woes. because after the second woe, (when the two witnesses' testimonies are finish, the third woe comes), and it comes QUICKLY, and remember the Lord Jesus comes QUICKLY. Revelation 22:7 "Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book." , and, Revelation 22:12 "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." and one more, the last one, Revelation 22:20 "He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus."

so, the third woe come quickly, but is it before the Lord, or AFTERWARD at the Lord's coming. so, we know that we're at the very, or near the end of time...... 101G want say because no man knows the day or the hour. but he said we may know the signs. and here is one of them. Hosea 6:1 "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up." Hosea 6:2 "After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight." well two of those day has passed by at 2033. for the Lord has been gone for approx. two days, (based on the thousand years as a day). but the prophet said IN, IN, IN, the third day we shall live in his sight. well one thing, these day will be cut short for the saint's sake, but how short? .... 101G again don't know. Matthew 24:22 "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

so the two witnesses if the Lord Jesus and John the Baptist is correct, (which their testimony is in the earth realm today, which is water baptism, and the gospel), then we're getting close to the end. 101G (only) estimate, one to two more generation from now ...... or less, because of the sake of the saints.

so this might be good reading for edification.

101G.
 
you have no scripture proof. not one scripture, then your statements are unsubstantiated. and two ... as you said, just because you say "corrupt" does not make it untrue. so, you have nothing to stand on .... at all.

101G.
your scripture has been corrupted. this is what God calls the sealed vision.
Go translate for yourself...and skip what tradition 'says it means.'
 
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