Redeemed from unbelief !

[brightfame52]

No Arminian would say that.

They would say God delivered them when they believed.

When God delivers a person from darkness, in essence He delivers them from their native unbelief Col 1:12-13

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness[unbelief], and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Now the deceived arminian/freewiller would say they delivered themselves from the power of darkness and unbelief by the exercise of their own freewill choice,making themselves God

 

[TomL]

When God delivers a person from darkness, in essence He delivers them from their native unbelief Col 1:12-13

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness[unbelief], and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Now the deceived arminian/freewiller would say they delivered themselves from the power of darkness and unbelief by the exercise of their own freewill choice,making themselves God

The verse says nothing at all about being delivered from unbelief. You are reading your beliefs into the verse.

 

[brightfame52]

The verse says nothing at all about being delivered from unbelief. You are reading your beliefs into the verse.

When God delivers a person from darkness, in essence He delivers them from their native unbelief Col 1:12-13

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness[unbelief], and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Now the deceived arminian/freewiller would say they delivered themselves from the power of darkness and unbelief by the exercise of their own freewill choice,making themselves God

 

[TomL]

When God delivers a person from darkness, in essence He delivers them from their native unbelief Col 1:12-13

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness[unbelief], and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Now the deceived arminian/freewiller would say they delivered themselves from the power of darkness and unbelief by the exercise of their own freewill choice,making themselves God

Sorry that idea is not read out of the text.

Rather you read it into the text.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry that idea is not read out of the text.

Rather you read it into the text.

To be delivered from the power of darkness is the same as being delivered from unbelief.

 

[TomL]

To be delivered from the power of darkness is the same as being delivered from unbelief.

Sorry that idea is not read out of the text.

Rather you read it into the text.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry that idea is not read out of the text.

Rather you read it into the text.

To be delivered from the power of darkness is the same as being delivered from unbelief.

Col 1

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[TomL]

To be delivered from the power of darkness is the same as being delivered from unbelief.

Col 1

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Sorry you have failed to demonstrate the text states any such thing

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry you have failed to demonstrate the text states any such thing

To be delivered from the power of darkness is the same as being delivered from unbelief.

Col 1

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[TomL]

To be delivered from the power of darkness is the same as being delivered from unbelief.

Col 1

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Again

You have failed to demonstrate the text states any such thing and simply read it into the text

 

[brightfame52]

Again

You have failed to demonstrate the text states any such thing and simply read it into the text

To be delivered from the power of darkness is the same as being delivered from unbelief.

Col 1

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[TomL]

To be delivered from the power of darkness is the same as being delivered from unbelief.

Col 1

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

The text does not state that, so you add to the text

 

[brightfame52]

The text does not state that, so you add to the text

To be delivered from the power of darkness is the same as being delivered from unbelief.

Col 1

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[TomL]

To be delivered from the power of darkness is the same as being delivered from unbelief.

Col 1

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Not found in the text

You add to the word of God and therefore are under a curse

 

[brightfame52]

Not found in the text

You add to the word of God and therefore are under a curse

Unbelief and darkness are one, Hence God delivers the elect from darkness/unbelief Col 1:13

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

John Gill comments on Col 1:13

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness,.... That is, from the power of Satan; see Acts 26:18, who, though once an angel of light, is now darkness itself, and is reserved in chains of darkness; he is a ruler of the darkness of this world; his kingdom is a kingdom of darkness; and he blinds the minds of them that believe not, keeps them in darkness, and increases the natural darkness of their minds; he delights in works of darkness, and tempts men to them; and his everlasting state and portion will be blackness of darkness: his power over men, in a state of unregeneracy, which he usurps, and is suffered to exercise, is very great; he works effectually in them, and leads them captive at his will; and nothing less than the power of God, who is stronger than the strong man armed, can deliver out of his hands; and which is at least one part of the mercy for which thanks are here given; See Gill on Luke 22:53; with the Jews, one of the names of Satan is "darkness" (e). Moreover, the darkness of sin, ignorance, and unbelief, with which God's elect, while in a state of nature, are surrounded, and, as it were shut up and imprisoned, so that they have not the least spark of true spiritual light and knowledge, may be also meant; under the power of which they are to such a degree, that they know nothing of God in Christ, of the way of salvation by him, or of the work of the Spirit on their souls, or of the doctrines of the Gospel in an experimental manner; and so they continue, till, by an almighty power, they are turned from darkness to light; when, by powerful grace, they are plucked as brands out of the burning, and delivered from wrath to come, and from that utter darkness of misery and destruction their ways of sin and darkness led and exposed them to. This deliverance is wrought out for them in the effectual calling, when they are internally called, and powerfully brought out of this darkness, by introducing light into them, revealing Christ in them, causing the prince of darkness to flee from them, and the scales of darkness and blindness to fall from their eyes; and which is both an instance or the wonderful grace of God, and of his almighty power, and in which lies in part the saints' meetness for the inheritance; for these words are, in some sort, explanative of the former; for so long as a person is under the power of darkness, he cannot be meet for an inheritance which is in light: it follows, as another branch of this mercy, for which thanks are given,

 

[civic]

Christ Redeems those He died for from the Prison of Unbelief !

Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

To be redeemed from all iniquity does include being redeemed from unbelief, the prison of unbelief. It should be remembered that to be in unbelief/disobedience is a matter of being imprisoned, for it is written in Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

To be concluded in unbelief is to be imprisoned to it. The greek word concluded is sygkleiō and means:


I.to shut up together, enclose

A.of a shoal of fishes in a net

II.to shut up on all sides, shut up completely

Man by nature is Locked up in Unbelief / disobedience !

Rom 11:32

32 For God has made all people prisoners of disobedience, so that he might show mercy to them all.GNT

32 For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.HCSB

This is important to know, and this is why its impossible for any sinner by nature to believe and or obey, to say they can, is to say they overcame in their flesh being imprisoned to unbelief, which means they redeemed themselves out of the prison of unbelief and not Christ, is to usurp that prerogative from Christ !

Your text contradicts your theology


32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[brightfame52]

Your text contradicts your theology


32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Right, thats limited to the all who receive mercy for their unbelief and not condemnation, because Christ redeemed them from all iniquity, unbelief cant condemn them. That doesnt apply to them who are condemned in unbelief Jn 3:18

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[civic]

Right, thats limited to the all who receive mercy for their unbelief and not condemnation, because Christ redeemed them from all iniquity, unbelief cant condemn them. That doesnt apply to them who are condemned in unbelief Jn 3:18

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Wrong no one is born a believer and God has mercy on all unbelievers.

 

[brightfame52]

Wrong no one is born a believer and God has mercy on all unbelievers.

Sorry fellow, all those unbelievers receive Mercy ! Rom 11:32

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[civic]

Sorry fellow, all those unbelievers receive Mercy ! Rom 11:32

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

every unbeliever receives Gods mercy without discretion.