praise_yeshua
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So where is this blood you claim removes your sin? Peter references an event. You're the one making the argument. Stop this dealing with this as a child and start providing details.
PSA as central to the Gospel
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So where is this blood you claim removes your sin? Peter references an event. You're the one making the argument. Stop this dealing with this as a child and start providing details.
civic
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I have done that in depth with 100's scriptures below. I'm not reposting it here.
These are deep waters I'm not sure you want to swim into.
I was just talking to our head elder this morning at our Saturday morning mens discipleship group at my house on this very topic of PSA and the Trinity and he agreed. He had never looked at it from the lens I was talking about with the nature and character of God.
DavidTree
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The Waters of Truth = i swim in Daily = Today, if you hear His Voice...........I have done that in depth with 100's scriptures below. I'm not reposting it here.
These are deep waters I'm not sure you want to swim into.
civic
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His voice is all over the post I referenced since its based 100 % on the biblical/scriptural basis for the Tri-Unity of God in the atonement.
Its a biblical treatise on the nature of God. Theology begins with God at it foundation.
PSA is an unbibilcal foundation built upon sinking sand and not upon the Rock which is Christ.
Jesus is a stumbling stone for PSA. The stone which PSA advocates reject.
hope this helps !!!
praise_yeshua
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So. Lets go with this. No don't run away. Stay right here.
If what you're saying is true, then why wasn't Christ "cut off" from God completely? You demand a "tit for tat" and an "eye for an eye" in the offering of Jesus Christ. That is what you preach.
Thusly, to preach what you believe, you MUST believe that Christ was "cut off" from God. You must. It is a demand of the reasoning your using.
So do just that in your theology. Stop this "pretense" that Christ was somehow "cut off" without actually being "cut off".
Do words mean nothing to you? Or do they have meaning?
I don't deny anything these Scriptures say. Not at all. What I do reject is this half baked argument you're making that Christ had to suffer exactly the identical punish you were due, when He didn't. He OBVIOUSLY didn't.
So stop this nonsense. You're living in a pretend world where you words don't mean anything.
DavidTree
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Good Morning to the brethren in Christ
Today's Refresher for @DavidTree @Selah @praise_yeshua @civic @Red Baker @Jay
YAHshua Says : A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you also must love one another.
As we share and debate, let us do so in the love of Christ thru submitting to one another UNDER the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Scriptures = which CANNOT lie
praise_yeshua
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Death..... What is death? You believe in the Eternal never ending punishment that sinners endure in this "death" you represent in your theology.
Are you an an annihilationist? Death ends this life. It is the death of the flesh. It isn't the death of the spirit of man. The spirit of man endures.
praise_yeshua
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Love demands that I resist your false teachings. Do I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
civic
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Yet there is no love in PSA from Father towards the Son- its wrath, vengeance, retribution and anger which is the biblical definition of wrath.
This is love- God ( the Father ) was in Christ ( perichoresis- mutual indwelling ) reconciling ( took place at the cross, death of Christ ) the world ( all people ) to Himself ( the Father ).
God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself. 2 Corinthians 5:19
BUT PSA DENIES THIS- to say
The Father abandon the Son on the cross to make reconciliation for the world for himself.
ITS FALSE DOCTRINE- TEACHING- a FALSE GOSPEL, a false god and christ.
hope this helps !!!
DavidTree
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Love demands that you accurately & truthfully express thru child-like faith in the Word, exactly what the false teaching you think i am promoting.
Please explain this "false teaching" AND be very specific and keep it simplified just as Christ did in His Gospel
DavidTree
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i am not promoting PSA
God is directing us to His Word of TRUTH
Have your forgotten Genesis???
civic
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This thread is all about PSA and the gospel. Many or most of its advocates equivocate PSA with the gospel as if they are the same.
The fact is the gospel has nothing whatsoever to do with PSA.
praise_yeshua
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I already have. You're ignoring the question I asked you when the very response where you appealed to "love"....
Read it again.
DavidTree
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Let us begin with this truth that removes all doubt and then we can look at the OT & NT scriptures which confirm this truth.
Hebrews 9:22
According to the law, in fact, nearly everything must be purified with blood,
and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
praise_yeshua
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You can all it that but it is Penal Substitutionary Atonement.
praise_yeshua
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Nearly everything.... do you see that part of the sentence?
I said to you that life of the flesh in the blood. Do you remember those words? It is that life of the flesh in the shedding of blood that ended the life of Jesus Christ in his flesh.
So people try to teach that "the blood" of Jesus Christ is some......"thing" in of itself that redeems.
DavidTree
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YES = i SEE the beginning part of: "nearly all things"
Hebrews 9:22 "nearly all things" is referring to the tabernacle with the instruments for the altar = "nearly all things"
Hebrews 9:22 then concludes with the OT Commandment(s) for the removal/forgiveness of sins that is only precured thru the animal sacrifices by which the animals blood was placed on the altar for the people(s) sins.
FACT: The Blood of JESUS Christ is unique unto Himself and Himself alone for two main reasons:
a.) His FATHER is GOD = thus JESUS was born DIVINE
b.) JESUS committed no sin therefore His Blood was the only Qualifying substitutionary provision that can permanently wash away/atone for our sins.
civic
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People don’t understand that blood represents life. Jesus gave up His life ( poured out His life, blood ) for the forgiveness of sins as He said many time and was taught from Him in the cup at the Passover meal He shared with His disciples
praise_yeshua
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Nonsense. You don't know the law of Moses. Things were purged by water and fire.
If you're going to have this conversation, then be prepared.
So you believe in the "magic blood" of Jesus Christ that somehow itself must be applied to purge sin....
Do you know how many times I've asked that question and what happened with you is exactly always seems to happen. It happens because you've never had this conversation in an apologetic sense of defending your words from obvious critcism.
Jesus Christ was the son of Mary. His blood wasn't eternal. He doesn't have it with Him now and you're not being "sprinkled" with His blood to be saved.
His work speaks of better things....than this.
Heb 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
He is alive and ever lives to make intercession for us.
Geesh....
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