propitiation

[civic]

Thats not scriptural, Christ is the propitiation for the whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 He is is a present tense indicative, He is continually its satisfaction b4 the Fathers Justice. Now whoever it applies to will be given Faith to believe.

Everyone who doesnt believe finally, He wasnt being their propitiation.

It’s 100% biblical.

 

[101G]

Still showing you dont have a clue what propitiation means.

(smile) good day

 

[brightfame52]

It’s 100% biblical.

Uh no its not, not even close

 

[brightfame52]

(smile) good day

Same to you

 

[Ahar]

The most important text of Scripture dealing with propitiation and the extent of the atonement is given by John: “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world” 1 John 2:1, 2

Based on the direct usage of the idea of propitiation in both the Old and New Testaments, propitiation means to “satisfy,” “appease” or “placate.” When used in relation to the atoning work of Christ, this very same idea is conveyed (Rom. 3:25; Heb. 2:17; 1 John 2:2; 4:10). “Propitiation presupposes the wrath and displeasure of God, and the purpose of propitiation is the removal of this displeasure. Very simply stated, the doctrine of propitiation means that Christ propitiated the wrath of God and rendered God propitious to his people.”

This in no way implies that the love of God is restrained or held back because of propitiation. It is not a matter of either propitiation or love on the part of God but rather it is His infinite love which provided the propitiation or satisfaction of His person in Christ. Neither are we ever to understand that Christ’s propitiatory sacrifice turned the wrath of God into love. That is, God must never be viewed as One Who became soft and easygoing and simply overlooked, because of some emotional stress, the true intensity of His hatred for sin. No! He poured out the full judgment of sin on Christ. He bore it all. “It is one thing to say that the wrathful God is made loving. That would be entirely false. It is another thing to say the wrathful God is loving. That is profoundly true. But it is also true that the wrath by which he is wrathful is propitiated through the cross.”

Robert P. Lightner, The Death Christ Died: A Biblical Case for Unlimited Atonement

 

[TibiasDad]

This isnt biblical. Propitiation is between God and Christ, has absolutely nothing to do with man accepting anything. Its more of God accepting the sacrifice of Christ in satisfying His Just anger and wrath against transgressors, which He did accept, and those certain transgressors are free from His Just wrath they deserved. They dont have to accept it, God accepted it

Can I be saved without believing that he appeased God’s wrath toward me and my sin?

Doug

 

[Olde Tymer]

They dont have to accept it, God accepted it

Just to be on the safe side; I highly recommend that folks find themselves some
privacy; anyplace will do. Cover their face with their hands for a sense of
connection, and tell God, in their own words, out loud or under their breath, that
they know they're sinners and would like to take advantage of His son's death to
protect themselves from retribution.
_

 

[DavidTree]

continued:

Here are the only three uses of “propitiation” in the KJV:

“Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation(G2435) through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.” (Rom 3:25-26)

“And he is the propitiation (G2434) for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2)

“Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation(G2434) for our sins.” (1 John 4:10)

As we will see, this is a very poor word to use to translate the original Greek.

Here are the definitions given for the Greek words used for propitiation:

Original Word Definitions

G2434 ἱλασμός hilasmos hil-as-mos’
a root word; n m;
AV-propitiation 2; 2
1) an appeasing, propitiating
2) the means of appeasing, a propitiation

G2435 ἱλαστήριον hilasterion hil-as-tay’-ree-on
from a derivative of G2433; n n;
AV-propitiation 1, mercyseat 1; 2
1) relating to an appeasing or expiating, having placating or expiating force, expiatory; a means of appeasing or expiating, a propitiation
1a) used of the cover of the ark of the covenant in the Holy of Holies, which was sprinkled with the blood of the expiatory victim on the annual day of atonement (this rite signifying that the life of the people, the loss of which they had merited by their sins, was offered to God in the blood as the life of the victim, and that God by this ceremony was appeased and their sins expiated); hence the lid of expiation, the propitiatory
1b) an expiatory sacrifice
1c) an expiatory victim

Since G2435 comes from G2433 we should look at that word:

2433 ἱλάσκομαι hilaskomai hil-as’-kom-ahee
middle voice from the same as 2436; v;
AV-be merciful 1, make reconciliation 1; 2
1) to render one’s self, to appease, conciliate to one’s self
1a) to become propitious, be placated or appeased
1b) to be propitious, be gracious, be merciful
2) to expiate, make propitiation for

There is only one other verse that uses “hilasterion” (G2435):

“And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; (G2435) of which we cannot now speak particularly.” (Heb 9:5)

That verse suggests that “hilasterion” is a place where mercy is given – quite different from the usual meaning of propitiation.

So, if that word had been used in Romans 3:25, would that give the verse a different meaning?

“Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiationmercy seat …”

It literally means “a place or means of reconciliation, a place where atonement or unity and at-one-ment takes place.”

The only two verses that use “hilaskomai” (G2433) are:

“And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful (G2433) to me a sinner.” (Luke 18:13)

“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for (G2433) the sins of the people.” (Heb 2:17)

Those verses do not suggest anything like propitiation. What are the effects of the translation of a word meaning mercy seat as propitiation? They can’t be good.

Where did the Concept of Propitiation Come From?

Many (if not all) pagan cultures embrace the concept of propitiation and appeasement. Here is another example of modern misunderstanding:

“… Propitiation is an ancient word, which we as Christians have in common with other world religions. To propitiate a god is to offer a sacrifice that turns aside the god’s wrath. Anyone who believes in a god knows that they need some way to stay on the friendly side of that god. So they give gifts to the god, or serve in the temple, or give alms. And if the god is angry with them, they pay a price, or make a sacrifice, or find some way to soothe the god’s anger: they propitiate him.”(https://maney.us/blog/2014/03/25/trevin-wax-pagan-propitiation-vs-biblical-propitiation/)

Do we really need a way to stay on the friendly side of God? What about “God is love”?

Here are verses using “propitiation” (in the KJV):

“God presented Jesus as the way and the means of restoration. Now, through the trust established by the evidence of God’s character revealed when Christ died, we may partake of the Remedy procured by Christ. God did this to demonstrate that he is right and good — because in his forbearance he suspended, for a time, the ultimate consequence of us being out of harmony with his design for life — yet he has been falsely accused of being unfair. 26 He did it to demonstrate at the present time how right and good he is, so that he would also be seen as being right when he heals those who trust in Jesus.” (Rom 3:25-26, )

“This is what real love is: It is not that we have loved God, or that we have done something to get him to love us, but that he loved us so much that he sent his Son to become the Remedy and cure for the infection of sin and selfishness so that through him we might be restored into perfect unity with God.” (1 John 4:10, ) https://characterofgod.org/propitiation-definition/

hope this helps !!!

Propitiation is correct

Otherwise there would be no need for CHRIST to SUFFER on the CROSS

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
How is God's Wrath appeased/ placed aside? = thru the Precious Blood of CHRIST
Was God's wrath on CHRIST = no, for it PLEASED God to bruise HIM
4Surely He took up our infirmities

and carried our sorrows;b

yet we considered Him stricken,

struck down by God, and afflicted.

5But He was pierced for our transgressions,

He was crushed for our iniquities;

the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him,

and by His stripes we are healed.c

6We all like sheep have gone astray,d

each one has turned to his own way;

and the LORD has laid upon Him

the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed and afflicted,

yet He did not open His mouth.

He was led like a lamb to the slaughter,

and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,

so He did not open His mouth.

8By oppression and judgment He was taken away,

and who can recount His descendants?

For He was cut off from the land of the living;e

He was stricken for the transgression of My people.

 

[DavidTree]

His atonement provides the forgiveness of sins for everyone. Its applied to those who believe and receive the gospel.

[as an] atoning sacrifice
ἱλαστήριον (hilastērion)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 2435: Neuter of a derivative of hilaskomai; an expiatory, i.e. an atoning victim, or the lid of the Ark.

Concerning Salvation: atonement cannot be separated from propitiation = they are inclusive

thus the Angel of Death/Judgment passed-over those whose house had the BLOOD of the lamb

 

[brightfame52]

Can I be saved without believing that he appeased God’s wrath toward me and my sin?

Doug

Yes, anyone Christ died for and put away their sins, is saved from the penalty of their sin. God is at peace with them, even from their mothers womb God is reconciled to them. Why would God be angry with a sinner whom Christ has put away their sins ? Duh

 

[brightfame52]

Just to be on the safe side; I highly recommend that folks find themselves some
privacy; anyplace will do. Cover their face with their hands for a sense of
connection, and tell God, in their own words, out loud or under their breath, that
they know they're sinners and would like to take advantage of His son's death to
protect themselves from retribution.
_

They good if Christ is their propitiation, God aint mad at them

 

[TibiasDad]

Yes, anyone Christ died for and put away their sins, is saved from the penalty of their sin. God is at peace with them, even from their mothers womb God is reconciled to them. Why would God be angry with a sinner whom Christ has put away their sins ? Duh

Then confession and repentance are unnecessary.

Doug

 

[brightfame52]

Then confession and repentance are unnecessary.

Doug

No , later they are necessary after they are born again as evidences of salvation. See thats what wrong with man centered religion, they think salvation is dependent upon what they do. Gods elect are born under Grace, reconciled to God and Justified, forgiven out the womb. Even though out the womb practically they are children of wrath as others.

 

[TibiasDad]

No , later they are necessary after they are born again as evidences of salvation. See thats what wrong with man centered religion, they think salvation is dependent upon what they do. Gods elect are born under Grace, reconciled to God and Justified, forgiven out the womb. Even though out the womb practically they are children of wrath as others.

Then Jesus was wrong when he said “you must be born again.” You are saying that salvation is certain from birth because of election and they are born reconciled to God, but that makes belief, repentance and confession of sin superfluous and meaningless. Scripture clearly says belief of man is the singular reason why we experience being saved. God is able to forgive because Christ provided him the means to do so.

Doug