propitiation

[101G]

Are you discussing propitiation ?

Can you read? ...

propitiation: G2435 ἱλαστήριον hilasterion (hiy-la-stee'-riy-on) n.
1. an item or location used in obtaining favorable forgiveness.
2. (concisely) an atonement place or sacrifice.
3. (concretely) an atoning sacrifice (for favorable forgiveness); (i.e. the victim, not the act).
4. (specially) the atonement seat, the lid of the Ark (in the Temple).
[neuter of G2433 with enclitic of a surface or place]
KJV: mercyseat, propitiation
Root(s): G2433
Compare: G2643

101G ask you read 101G's previous post .... ok.

101G

 

[civic]

Can you read? ...

propitiation: G2435 ἱλαστήριον hilasterion (hiy-la-stee'-riy-on) n.
1. an item or location used in obtaining favorable forgiveness.
2. (concisely) an atonement place or sacrifice.
3. (concretely) an atoning sacrifice (for favorable forgiveness); (i.e. the victim, not the act).
4. (specially) the atonement seat, the lid of the Ark (in the Temple).
[neuter of G2433 with enclitic of a surface or place]
KJV: mercyseat, propitiation
Root(s): G2433
Compare: G2643

101G ask you read 101G's previous post .... ok.

101G

he doesn't understand biblical forgiveness.

 

[brightfame52]

Can you read? ...

propitiation: G2435 ἱλαστήριον hilasterion (hiy-la-stee'-riy-on) n.
1. an item or location used in obtaining favorable forgiveness.
2. (concisely) an atonement place or sacrifice.
3. (concretely) an atoning sacrifice (for favorable forgiveness); (i.e. the victim, not the act).
4. (specially) the atonement seat, the lid of the Ark (in the Temple).
[neuter of G2433 with enclitic of a surface or place]
KJV: mercyseat, propitiation
Root(s): G2433
Compare: G2643

101G ask you read 101G's previous post .... ok.

101G

You all over the place, cant follow your reasoning. Do you understand what Christ being a propitiation means ?

 

[101G]

You all over the place, cant follow your reasoning. Do you understand what Christ being a propitiation means ?

(smile) ........

did you not understand the definition? and 101G's supportive scriptures?

101G.

 

[brightfame52]

(smile) ........

did you not understand the definition? and 101G's supportive scriptures?

101G.

You all over the place. Do you know what Christ being a propitiation means ?

 

[TibiasDad]

1 Jn 2:2

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

What does it mean for Christ to be our propitiation ? Its the greek word hilasmos:

1. an appeasing, propitiating
2. the means of appeasing, a propitiation
3. "to pacify, make peace, or be reconciled".

Christ is the means of appeasing God, the means by which we can be accepted. He is the means by which our sins, and the sins of the whole world can be overcome through faith in that act of appeasement.

Doug

 

[101G]

Christ is the means of appeasing God, the means by which we can be accepted. He is the means by which our sins, and the sins of the whole world can be overcome through faith in that act of appeasement.

Doug

correct,
Now @brightfame52....... to make it easy for you to understand christ role, "The scapegoat"...... (smile)

101G

 

[brightfame52]

Christ is the means of appeasing God, the means by which we can be accepted. He is the means by which our sins, and the sins of the whole world can be overcome through faith in that act of appeasement.

Doug

This isnt biblical. Propitiation is between God and Christ, has absolutely nothing to do with man accepting anything. Its more of God accepting the sacrifice of Christ in satisfying His Just anger and wrath against transgressors, which He did accept, and those certain transgressors are free from His Just wrath they deserved. They dont have to accept it, God accepted it

 

[brightfame52]

correct,
Now @brightfame52....... to make it easy for you to understand christ role, "The scapegoat"...... (smile)

101G

That poster posted error and you agreed with it

 

[101G]

That poster posted error and you agreed with it

LOL, Oh My, Listen. one more attemp to get through to you. read Isaiah chapter 53, and if you don't know what, or who "The scapegoat" is for our sins, read the book of Leviticus, ok.

and the POSTER is correct.

101G

 

[civic]

You all over the place, cant follow your reasoning. Do you understand what Christ being a propitiation means ?

forgiveness via the atonement for sin.

next fallacy

 

[brightfame52]

LOL, Oh My, Listen. one more attemp to get through to you. read Isaiah chapter 53, and if you don't know what, or who "The scapegoat" is for our sins, read the book of Leviticus, ok.

and the POSTER is correct.

101G

Yeah you agreeing with error. Propitiation isn't offered to no one, its a benefit Christ established by His doing and dying in satisfying Gods Just wrath, He extinguished the punishment due to certain sinners. Every sinner Christ is the propitiation for, God is at peace with them, reconciled to them For Christs Sake. Eph 4:32

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

 

[101G]

Yeah you agreeing with error. Propitiation isn't offered to no one

1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

Good day.

101G.

 

[brightfame52]

forgiveness via the atonement for sin.

next fallacy

Actually that's correct, and everyone in the whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is forgiven. So it doesnt include the condemned world 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

So is Christ the propitiation for the world thats condemned ?

 

[civic]

Actually that's correct, and everyone in the whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is forgiven. So it doesnt include the condemned world 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

So is Christ the propitiation for the world thats condemned ?

His atonement provides the forgiveness of sins for everyone. Its applied to those who believe and receive the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

Good day.

101G.

Yeah, that whole world is saved, forgiven. Thats not everyone without exception. What about the condemned world of 1 Cor 11:32 is Jesus their propitiation ? Are their sins forgiven ? Is God pacified towards it ? Again, you absolutely have not a clue what Propitiation is

 

[brightfame52]

His atonement provides the forgiveness of sins for everyone. Its applied to those who believe and receive the gospel.

Thats not scriptural, Christ is the propitiation for the whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 He is is a present tense indicative, He is continually its satisfaction b4 the Fathers Justice. Now whoever it applies to will be given Faith to believe.

Everyone who doesnt believe finally, He wasnt being their propitiation.

 

[101G]

Yeah, that whole world is saved, forgiven. Thats not everyone without exception. What about the condemned world of 1 Cor 11:32 is Jesus their propitiation ? Are their sins forgiven ? Is God pacified towards it ? Again, you absolutely have not a clue what Propitiation is

LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh how lost are you, Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" (READ THAT AGAIN). Romans 10:15 "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"Romans 10:16 "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?"Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."Romans 10:18 "But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."
it's pitful people don't know .....

101G.

 

[brightfame52]

LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh how lost are you, Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" (READ THAT AGAIN). Romans 10:15 "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"Romans 10:16 "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?"Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."Romans 10:18 "But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."
it's pitful people don't know .....

101G.

Still showing you dont have a clue what propitiation means.

 

[Olde Tymer]

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Jesus' crucifixion is sometimes described as penal substitution. That's okay as far as it
goes, but his trip to the cross is a little more complicated than that. Christianity's one
time atonement is an event that invites folks to participate rather than only observe.

To wit: By a mysterious administrative process which I do not yet fully understand, God
reckons the folks unified with His son as joint principals in the event, viz: they are accounted
as being with him on the cross.

● Rom 6:3 . .Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus
were baptized into His death?

● Rom 6:6 . . Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him

● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ

● Col 3:3 . . For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

In addition; seeing as how the folks unified with Christ are accounted participants with
him when he was crucified, then they are also accounted participants with him when his
crucified dead body was restored to life.

● Rom 6:4-5 . . For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we
shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

● Eph 2:6 . . God raised us up with Christ

● Col 2:12 . . Buried with him in baptism, wherein also you are risen with him

● Col 3:1-3 . . You have been raised with Christ,

Now, the thing is: Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life with immortality. (Rom
6:9, Rev 1:18, Rev 2:8) So then, folks unified with Christ in his death and resurrection
have perpetual youth in the bag, i.e. it's a done deal and it's irrevocable.
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