praise_yeshua
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The choice was in Christ. No one is being confirmed into your image.
Predestination and Determinism
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synergy
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You have no answer for my question. I didn't think you would, typical of those who deride human integrity/intellect.
As for your question, Eph 1 & 2 has the following verses:
(Eph 1:3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies in Christ;
(Eph 2:6) and has raised us up together and made us sit together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus,
So once in Christ, you are positioned in the heavenlies with Christ. Does chronological time exist in heaven? Particular Baptists obviously ignore those verses and that is where their ignorance lies in.
synergy
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God saves those who believe. Why are you convulsing in horror against that Biblical fact?I am not blinded by the human pride that deludes me into thinking that the Great I AM requires my permission before HE can BE GOD!
(or was that the strawman, talking with Synergists gets so confusing some times)
synergy
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They think that they gain God's favor by spitting on and desecrating man. Man was made in the image of God, so when someone spits on man he is in fact spitting on the God who created man. It's like me spitting on a picture/image of you. They (@atpollard) are totally blind to that fact.
The Rogue Tomato
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8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
And that [being saved through faith] is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not as a result of works [not even what you folks are saying is "the work required by God"], so that no one may boast.
You're not in a position to accuse someone of pride. Boasting [even if it's internal and never spoken to oneself or another] is the entire reason free-willers exist. It's why I was a free-willer when God found me. I still had my pride.
As long as the hinge and turning point of one's salvation is one's free will choice, one can always boast [even if it's internal and never spoken to oneself or another], "I made the right choice, and you didn't."
26 For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28 and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, 29 so that no man may boast before God.
In contrast, boasting is excluded for those chosen by God's choice (election), because God does not tell us why he chooses one over another. If there's any hint of His decision, it's in the above text. It's entirely possible, if not likely, that God chose me because I'm a foolish thing, a weak thing, a base thing, i.e. a moron. It's certainly not because of any wise decision I made.
synergy
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God clearly does tell us why He chooses one over another. God saves those who believe.
(1 Cor 1:21) "For since, in the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom did not know God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe."
Also Rom 10:9: "Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved."
Also, where's the boasting that you're railing against?
praise_yeshua
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I'm glad you brought this up. I didn't believe you've lost your pride even though you claim to have lost it. No man has. (By the way, isn't that boasting)? I believe it qualifies. You're simply excluding yourself from boasting because you don't know why God choose you. Can you trying selling that "line" a little better? I mean no one believes such excuses. It is so unbelievably at "face value". Are you not glad that you're not like those publicans that God hasn't chosen? Denying merit because you don't know why God supposedly chose you doesn't exclude you for actual merit. That is why I have repeatedly now told you that God's choices always have merit. Always. God doesn't make foolish choices.
Can you explain what merit there is to be found in making a decision to believe something that everyone should believe? How exactly does this create merit in a "no brainer" of a choice?
It is fools that reject such a choice.
Reading John 12:40
It seems not hardening would have led to
John 12:40 (ESV) — 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”
them repenting and being saved
1) the Bible does not say predestination starts when we believe in Christ.
The entire premise of the work you "borrowed" is faulty and your whole post is dismissed.
synergy
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Then do tell us how as a non-Believer you were being conformed to the image of Christ, you were already adopted by Jesus, and you already possessed a heavenly inheritance. A heaven of non-believers! This is going to be very interesting...
Where did I claim that as a unbeliever I was being conformed to the image of Christ?
It would be interesting of you actually made some sense.
synergy
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Then it's only as a believer that you are predestined. Thanks for proving my point.
synergy
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Looks like you found yourself in a bind again. You don't even explain how it's "convoluted" nor can you because it's not.
Already done as far as the verses that mention it are concerned. If you want to go beyond the Bible then that's on you.
Behold
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Where is a verse in the Bible that says that Abraham had prophetic knowledge that "Jesus would come'?
Post that verse, @praise_yeshua , so that we can discuss it.
For starters, you do not predestined yourself. Speaking of beyond the Bible. You don't elect yourself. You don't place yourself in Christ. I try to avoid the ignorant arguments if I can. This one ranks right up there.
Galatians 3:8
Behold
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That verse says nothing about Jesus.
That verse is literally talking about "FAITH" that justifies "Gentiles. That the word of God saw as Prophecy.... So, that is related to Paul's Gospel.
What else?
Which gospel is it referring to?
civic
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A big giant oops lol
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