praise_yeshua
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You're asking me about "chance". Clearly define chance. You introduced the word in this conversation. Not me.
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You're asking me about "chance". Clearly define chance. You introduced the word in this conversation. Not me.
Rockson
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And what a sad tragedy that is.
What part of the plan was left to chance?
You actually did. If not all then some. What happened that was not part of the plan.
praise_yeshua
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Like you "manned up" about "all"? I'm not going through another "circular" argument with you. Clearly define chance.
praise_yeshua
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So "chance" is "some" to you? Can you reference a distinct reputable source for your definition?
Hello? What part was left to chance if it's not all.
Not playing your games. Time to step up
What was left to chance if it was not all His plan?
praise_yeshua
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It is not a game to me. I want a clear definition of "chance" that we both can agree upon.
How about
chance = "the occurrence and development of events in the absence of any obvious design"
praise_yeshua
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Chance is more than just "some" of a whole. Is English your primary language?
Great. So what part of God's plan was left to chance?
Keep deflecting. Why not just say I don't know instead of trying to play intellectual?
praise_yeshua
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Great what? Definition?
praise_yeshua
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Again. Not a game to me. Definitions are important. Do you even own a dictionary?
praise_yeshua
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Look how difficult it is to get a Calvinist to actually agree to a definition......
Great. Keep dodging.
Given your definition, what part of what God planned and determined was left to chance?
Yes. My goodnesspraise_yeshua
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Why definitions are important......
When it comes to tactics....Calvinist are always seeking to live in "uncertainty". For example.
When you read any writing relative to history, you're reading an record of what happened. NOT.... what DIDN'T happen. Thusly, the Calvinist always asks these types of question when they're struggling. They are actually asking you to take "what is recorded as happened" and provide evidence that it DIDN'T happen. Which is crazy.... right? It really is an absurd equation on their part......
Do the Scriptures record what happen or what didn't happen?
They will never admit that the onus is upon them to establish their claims
When it comes to tactics....Calvinist are always seeking to live in "uncertainty". For example.
When you read any writing relative to history, you're reading an record of what happened. NOT.... what DIDN'T happen. Thusly, the Calvinist always asks these types of question when they're struggling. They are actually asking you to take "what is recorded as happened" and provide evidence that it DIDN'T happen. Which is crazy.... right? It really is an absurd equation on their part......
Do the Scriptures record what happen or what didn't happen?
They will never admit that the onus is upon them to establish their claims
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praise_yeshua
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How hard was this?
1. God didn't dispose the evil in the heart of those few kings that sought to murder Jesus.
Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
2. Tiberius the Emperor of Rome .......by chance didn't join Herod and Pilate.
How do you know it was by chance? Maybe it was not part of the plan.
Now your just guessing hoping something sticks
