Mark 16:16~"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Doug Brents said:
There is a debate because Satan has his claws sunk so deeply in the souls of "the majority" that they wouldn't recognize truth if it bit them.

Do you realize that the only place in all of Scripture that the idea of "faith alone" or "faith only" appears is in James 2:24 where God says, "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." The ONLY PLACE in all of Scripture that "faith alone" appears, and it is NOT by faith alone, but by works also that man is justified.

All of those topics are either covered in Scripture or are immaterial to the concept at large.
Who is permitted to baptize is not addressed at all, so there is no restriction on who can baptize, because it is not the baptizer who matter, but the name/authority in which person is baptized.
The word baptize in itself dictates the method of administration, because the word in the original language means to immerse/immersion. It is not sprinkling, or pouring, or splattering, etc.; immersion is the only method of immersing.
Can infants be baptized is addressed in that a person must first hear the Word and believe it before baptism has any meaning to them. So an infant who cannot understand the Word receives no value from being baptized.

But these ancillary arguments do not invalidate the necessity of baptism. Nor do they remove it from being the point at which sins are removed from a person.

That is not a confirmation of the promise. It is a reminder of the promise.

Baptism does nothing to "help Jesus out", or add to our salvation in any way. Did the widow help God to make more oil by obeying and pouring the oil into all the jars she could gather? Did the Israelites help God destroy the walls of Jericho by marching around them? Did Naaman help God cleanse him by dipping in Jordan seven times? No, none of these people helped God's miraculous, wonderful, overwhelming power change nature. But if they had not obeyed they would not have received God's blessing. The widow would have lost her son. The walls of Jericho would have remained standing. Naaman would have remained a leper. But because of their obedience they received grace from God. And these are just a few of the dozens of examples in the OT Scriptures of how God deals with Man.
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Precisely, You are describing the invalid minority view of baptism. As far as receiving grace from God because of obedience to a ritual, that's just plane false doctrine. First you say there is no debate then you say there is a debate because of Satan. How can I trust anything you say when you can't keep your story straight?

The Bible gives an easy, three-word answer for how you receive the grace of God: by trusting Christ. The Bible says in John 1:17, “For the law was given through Moses, but God's unfailing love and faithfulness came through Jesus Christ”. God's grace is entirely wrapped up in a person: Jesus.

You can’t get it through religion.

You can’t get it through rituals such as baptism.

You can’t get it by following the rules.

You get it through Jesus.

God’s grace is free. You simply need to accept it.
 
Obadiah said:
Precisely, You are describing the invalid minority view of baptism. As far as receiving grace from God because of obedience to a ritual, that's just plane false doctrine. First you say there is no debate then you say there is a debate because of Satan. How can I trust anything you say when you can't keep your story straight?
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Satan is a liar and the father of liars. There is massive debate over salvation, because Satan continually twists God's Word to the damnation of human souls. But the Spirit of God leads us to the truth. The truth is that without obedience to God's commands, we do not receive His blessings, His grace.
Obadiah said:
The Bible gives an easy, three-word answer for how you receive the grace of God: by trusting Christ. The Bible says in John 1:17, “For the law was given through Moses, but God's unfailing love and faithfulness came through Jesus Christ”. God's grace is entirely wrapped up in a person: Jesus.
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If you don't obey Him, then you don't trust Him. This is demonstrated all through Scripture. It is not the thought, "Oh, I trust you," that saves. It is the actions of obedience that demonstrate that trust that saves.
Obadiah said:
You can’t get it through religion.
You can’t get it through rituals such as baptism.
You can’t get it by following the rules.
You get it through Jesus.
God’s grace is free. You simply need to accept it.
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Was Naaman healed when he accepted the prophet's command? No. He was healed when he obeyed (after the 7th dip, not the 6th).
Did the walls of Jericho fall when the people accepted Moses' command to march? No. They fell when the people obeyed the command and had marched once per day for 6 days, and 7 times on the 7th day in silence and then cheered and blew trumpets.
Exactly the same, we are washed clean of our sin when we surrender to God's will in obedience to His command to repent, confess Jesus as Lord, and are baptized. That is where the Scripture says we are washed clean, die to sin, have sin cut from us, and are resurrected with Christ to new life.
 
Doug Brents said:
Satan is a liar and the father of liars. There is massive debate over salvation, because Satan continually twists God's Word to the damnation of human souls. But the Spirit of God leads us to the truth. The truth is that without obedience to God's commands, we do not receive His blessings, His grace.

If you don't obey Him, then you don't trust Him. This is demonstrated all through Scripture. It is not the thought, "Oh, I trust you," that saves. It is the actions of obedience that demonstrate that trust that saves.

Was Naaman healed when he accepted the prophet's command? No. He was healed when he obeyed (after the 7th dip, not the 6th).
Did the walls of Jericho fall when the people accepted Moses' command to march? No. They fell when the people obeyed the command and had marched once per day for 6 days, and 7 times on the 7th day in silence and then cheered and blew trumpets.
Exactly the same, we are washed clean of our sin when we surrender to God's will in obedience to His command to repent, confess Jesus as Lord, and are baptized. That is where the Scripture says we are washed clean, die to sin, have sin cut from us, and are resurrected with Christ to new life.
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Jesus left us the Holy Spirit, And he leads us into all truth. You seem to be quite familiar with Satan and from what I've read in your post it's opposite of what the bible teaches. You're promoting a works salvation. Robbing God of his glory. Adding to the gospel, making it a different gospel.

Put on the Girdle of Truth! May we stand firm in the truth of Your Word so we will not be a victim of Satan's lies.
 
Obadiah said:
Jesus left us the Holy Spirit, And he leads us into all truth. You seem to be quite familiar with Satan and from what I've read in your post it's opposite of what the bible teaches. You're promoting a works salvation. Robbing God of his glory. Adding to the gospel, making it a different gospel.

Put on the Girdle of Truth! May we stand firm in the truth of Your Word so we will not be a victim of Satan's lies.
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As the employees of the US Mint who identify counterfeiters learn how to identify fake bills by only studying the real thing, I study the Word of God, so I can identify those doctrines that are false by their contradiction of the Word of God. It is not robbing God of His glory to teach what He commanded. It is not adding to the Gospel to teach what God said. It is not promoting "works salvation" to teach obedience to God's commands that HE said lead to receiving His grace.

The Girdle of Truth has been my constant companion for many, many years, and I have been reshaped to fit it so it feels like my own skin now. The Breastplate of Righteousness is equally formfitting. The Shield of Truth rests firmly on one arm, and the Sword of Spirit is grasped firmly in the other. The helmet of salvation has been mine since I was 14. And the shoes of the Gospel move my feet at God's command. I am continually growing in Christ, and continually pray that the lie of Satan that baptism is not required to receive salvation will be overcome in the Church at large.
 
Doug Brents said:
The Girdle of Truth has been my constant companion for many, many years, and I have been reshaped to fit it so it feels like my own skin now.
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Exactly that's the problem right there... you've reshaped the truth so it fits good on your own skin.

Christians are to walk in the spirit not in the flesh
 
koberstein said:
The KJV strips the Jewishness from the Gospel. Besides I don't like reading Elizabethen English.
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It can be fun. Last Pentecostal church I went to the Pastor received a word of wisdom. This prophetess stood up and said "thou thinkest thou art a humdinger but thou art a not a humdinger thou art a dinger". The whole church cracked up. True story.
 
Obadiah said:
Exactly that's the problem right there... you've reshaped the truth so it fits good on your own skin.

Christians are to walk in the spirit not in the flesh
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I did not say I have reshaped it to fit me. I said I have been reshaped to fit the truth. Not my flesh, but my spirit, my understanding, my beliefs. You read what you want to read, not what is written. You assumed what I wrote, not reading the words I typed. I feel that you do the same with the Scriptures.
 
Fellow Traveler said:
The human tendency is, we need to help Jesus out by doing our part in our salvation. Therefore baptism is our way of helping Jesus out by doing our part. The good news is he doesn't need our help. He did it all by hanging on a cross and rising from the grave.
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Amen! Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (Romans 3:24-28) No supplements needed. ✝️
 
Obadiah said:
Precisely, You are describing the invalid minority view of baptism. As far as receiving grace from God because of obedience to a ritual, that's just plane false doctrine. First you say there is no debate then you say there is a debate because of Satan. How can I trust anything you say when you can't keep your story straight?

The Bible gives an easy, three-word answer for how you receive the grace of God: by trusting Christ. The Bible says in John 1:17, “For the law was given through Moses, but God's unfailing love and faithfulness came through Jesus Christ”. God's grace is entirely wrapped up in a person: Jesus.

You can’t get it through religion.

You can’t get it through rituals such as baptism.

You can’t get it by following the rules.

You get it through Jesus.

God’s grace is free. You simply need to accept it.
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Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. It's just hard for work-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human pride will not allow works-salvationists to trust in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works, and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through faith.
 
Doug Brents said:
I did not say I have reshaped it to fit me. I said I have been reshaped to fit the truth. Not my flesh, but my spirit, my understanding, my beliefs. You read what you want to read, not what is written. You assumed what I wrote, not reading the words I typed. I feel that you do the same with the Scriptures.
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Sounds like you are trying to repackage the Truth to fit your false narrative. Could this be another Gospel??
 

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